Fatimagul thread # 2 - Page 107

Originally posted by: Mitali25

Agree with the above post. Dont get some folks getting vexed at Fatmagul's attitude towards Kerim given the circumstances under which they met and what transpired on that horrendous day when her entire world came crushing down around her.

One has to understand that this is not a conventional humdrum love story of a girl being chased by a guy where one expects the girl to fall for the charm of the guy after a little bit of pursuing by him and if she doesn't, one gets cross and indignant at her for showing attitude or snubbing him saying she is acting in an irksome, pricey way etc

This is a complex story of a gang raped girl and a guy who was unfortunately in some way responsible for it. As said in the above post, he was the one who had pointed her out to the rapists and had helped them catch her... on top of that, he had not only witnessed her getting savagely gang raped without doing anything abt it but, according to her, he might have also raped her (as she saw him looming over her before fainting). In addition to this, she saw him shielding those who had raped her and even taking bribe for it.

It was Kerim who first caught her and all were laughing . How brutally she was raped one after another .Is it easy to forget the horrific night ? Whenever she looks at Kerim that night will haunt her. He did not rape her but his crime is no less . FG is serious issue based story which Zindagi is promoting as love story . What more one can say when we see this kind of mentality daily . Recently village Panchayat asked the victims to marry the rapists. FG is getting popularity in villages also . Hope bring some kind of change in stringent laws to curb these horrendous crime in our country. Beren Saat has done brilliant job playing the victim and then will be giving credit to whole cast.One movie was Ghar with Rekha and vinod Mehra, very well made on this topic.

Does just being caring and nice to her now exonerate the guy of all the above crimes? Does it earn him the right to expect the girl to be pleasant and understanding towards him? Is it that straight forward and uncomplicated. If I or yu had been in her position and had gone thru what she did, just becasue he is being nice and caring now, would we have been able to so easily and quickly get rid of our bitterness and justifiable burning anger towards him, forget everything and forgive him. Its just not possible

Not just recently, even in comments dated 1 ir 2 mnths back people here were vexed and resentlful of her unfriendly/uncivil attitude towards Kerim. Even back then! After the savagery she went thru and given the way she saw Kerim under the above circumstances, how is it even sane or rational to expect her to trust him or behave with him normally. After such a trauma when a girl is afraid of even the shadow of a man around her, expecting her to not only forget and forgive everything and be pleasant/friendly to Kerem or to respond positively to his overtures or return his feelings is unreal and reflects complete lack of understanding of her situation. Imp to remember that she did not know Kerim at all before this tragedy. She didnt know the kind of person he really was. Given this backdrop and under such circumstances its impractical to expect a person to just take the guy's word for it when he says he didnt do anything to her or forget/disrgerad the part he played in the catastrophic misery caused to her and be all normal/pleasant/friendly towards him

And this was not all that complicated the matter. Besides going thru the pain of having been sexually violated in the most vile vicious way possible, she also was seething with anger at having been forced to keep quiet about it by her own SIL who she saw not only colluding with the perpetrators to keep her silent but also using her unfortunate situation to mint money from her misfortune. On top of that teh guy she was going to marry and trusted the most had cruelly abandoned her, not to mention her wld be in-laws calling her a tainted girl who wld ruin their son's life etc. Is it a wonder then that such a girl wld have serious trust issues and wld need a lot of time, understanding, support and love to overcome it all and begin the rehabilitation process

Its always girl is blamed and guys go scot free . Someone recommended me to watch for acting , story and justice .

Even if she were to believe that the guy in question did not rape her, would it possible for her to wipe the slate clean so easily and excuse the fact that he helped them catch her and idly witnessed the shame of her being raped by them all, impotently doing nothing to prevent it, regardless of the reasons for the same. Not at all.

As she explains later, whenever she thought she was being drawn towards him she felt she was betraying the Fatmgul who had undergone the unspeakable brutality that night which stopped her from allowing herself to go any further. Isnt this emotional conflict very natural for one to go thru in such a situation?

Human emotions are anyways complex and difficult to understand and here the unusual circumstances make things even more complicated. Think about Fatmagul;s desolate, tormented, vulnerable state of mind given all that she has gone thru before being incensed at her for not being accommodating enough towards Kerim. Its dreadful to see not just the irate comments calling her irksome, selfish etc but also the ones mocking her for her behavior towards him. All it needs is some heart and basic humanity to relate to her suffering, her agonizing plight and her desolate emotional state thats driving her attitude and response towards Kerim

What i could not understand why did Kerim Married Fatmagul ? All three ganged up and he was left alone and that too because he is from a poor family. That time Kerim was under the impression that he had also raped her. Munir was trying his best telling him that he would be in prison. Kerim was kind of isolated. Was marrying Fatmagul escape route ?

@iamsania01 SAME. YOU CONFESSION MATCHES MINE. i JUST WANNA KISS THOSE LIPS 😉

Originally posted by: muskaan2298

@iamsania01 SAME. YOU CONFESSION MATCHES MINE. i JUST WANNA KISS THOSE LIPS😉

Yeahhh 😉 😉 😛

Hey guys I'm a silent reader on this thread and have been following the show and thread since beggning and I have never found comments or episodes analysis being insensitive towards a sensitive topic or the female lead baring a few ( well I'm also one Kerim/Egnin fan😉 ) well to each its own we can ignore the comments we don't like.. Its a public forum and everybody is entitled to their opinion.

A bit amusing to see that in response to the posts on insensitive targeting and criticism of FG, most things being said or justifications being given are abt things that haven't even been raised. Looks like either such people haven't read these posts properly or are deliberately trying to obfuscate the matter by falsely and disingenously implying some non issues to be the issues - may be because its convenient for them to outrage abt them and garner support instead of addressing the ones actually raised

Case in point - no one said don't appreciate other characters or not look at things from their perspective. Absurd to take refuge in such pointless justifications. What was said was if some ppl here can even find it in themselves to think abt things from rapists pov (good for them) surely they can bring themselves to look at things from FG's perspective too, especially while talking abt her attitude towards Kerem. Which doesnt seem to be happening. Instead, crticism is being heaped on her by so many here for her behavior towards him. Giving blanket statements reg supporting her when faced with these questions doesn't cut it as when it comes down to actually discussing this issue all the supposed empathy and support for her seems to vanish. Its not me saying this people... its reflected in the posts here! Can we at least plz drop the pretence of not having understood what those posts were all about and falsely make them out to be abt not wanting other chars or the actors performing them to be appreciated. Its juvenile to draw such conclusions from them or have this to be the key take away from them lol

Also, no one said don't have fun imo. Again, this is conveniently being used as a tool to digress. But yes, now that its been raised, lets not say that 'some' fun is being had just to break the serious nature of discussion here. What serious discussion lol. You got to be freakin kidding. 95% of the discussion here is abt having this so called fun, ogling over the male awesomeness and dreaming abt making out with them lol. Out of the remaining 5% too only negligible time spent on discussing FG the main protagonist of the show or for that matter even Kerim, not as a male specimen, but as the other protagonist whose journey towards redemption and healing too is imp and relevant. Well suit yourselves if thats what brings in the kicks for you (applicable only to whomsoever it may concern). Just dont make tall claims abt serious, meaningful discussiions happening here and wanting to have a break from them. Now that wld be a joke lol. Just saying 😉 . Peace

Originally posted by: DefLeppard

Q: Why does Kerim look startled and drawn away when FG and Rahmi hug & consoling each other after the run-away news of MQ?

The camera zooms in to his face.

Any idea?

Originally posted by: sangeet6690

There for a second while Kerim was holding Rehmi at the same time Fatma hugs him so they both were in a close proximity accidentally (in fact Fatma's hand slightly brushes Kerim's) Since Fatma is so worried for Rehmi she doesn't realise it but Kerim noticed it and backed out.. His expression n zooming in on face gives us a slight idea that its not just Fatma who is uncomfortable with such closeness but he also gets a little uncomfortable with her being so close.. It hints towards the fact that its not just fatma who is in trauma the ghosts of that night also haunt Kerim which would make it difficult for him too to be intimate with her!!

You explained it so well. And this is reason I love Kerim. Physical intimacy not only scares her but it also scares him. Also, he knows that's physical intimacy will drive her away, so she did not realise but he does. He is very conscious of her and he understand that anything physical is going to make her very uncomfortable. If you have noticed, that every time they touch, the camera focuses there a little longer. Even when they were in Kerim's house listening to conversation between Meryem and Muqaadas, Kerim guided her and had his hand on her back, though she did not notice, the camera focused there indicating that even the smallest touch hold the biggest significance. And the first dance, the camera had focused when Kerim took her hand. Kudos to the directer, such small stuff but the way it's directed it brings out so much in the scene! I love these subtle moments :)

Originally posted by: Mitali25

A bit amusing to see that in response to the posts on insensitive targeting and criticism of FG, most things being said or justifications being given are abt things that haven't even been raised. Looks like either such people haven't read these posts properly or are deliberately trying to obfuscate the matter by falsely and disingenously implying some non issues to be the issues - may be because its convenient for them to outrage abt them and garner support instead of addressing the ones actually raised

Case in point - no one said don't appreciate other characters or not look at things from their perspective. Absurd to take refuge in such pointless justifications. What was said was if some ppl here can even find it in themselves to think abt things from rapists pov (good for them) surely they can bring themselves to look at things from FG's perspective too, especially while talking abt her attitude towards Kerem. Which doesnt seem to be happening. Instead, crticism is being heaped on her by so many here for her behavior towards him. Giving blanket statements reg supporting her when faced with these questions doesn't cut it as when it comes down to actually discussing this issue all the supposed empathy and support for her seems to vanish. Its not me saying this people... its reflected in the posts here! Can we at least plz drop the pretence of not having understood what those posts were all about and falsely make them out to be abt not wanting other chars or the actors performing them to be appreciated. Its juvenile to draw such conclusions from them or have this to be the key take away from them lol

Also, no one said don't have fun imo. Again, this is conveniently being used as a tool to digress. But yes, now that its been raised, lets not say that 'some' fun is being had just to break the serious nature of discussion here. What serious discussion lol. You got to be freakin kidding. 95% of the discussion here is abt having this so called fun, ogling over the male awesomeness and dreaming abt making out with them lol. Out of the remaining 5% too only negligible time spent on discussing FG the main protagonist of the show or for that matter even Kerim, not as a male specimen, but as the other protagonist whose journey towards redemption and healing too is imp and relevant. Well suit yourselves if thats what brings in the kicks for you (applicable only to whomsoever it may concern). Just dont make tall claims abt serious, meaningful discussions happening here and wanting to have a break from them. Now that wld be a joke lol. Just saying 😉 . Peace

Yes, the show is titled - "What is Fatmagul's fault?" as someone said above. But looks like some people didn't get the memo here or is it that the sensitivity, maturity and reasonableness needed to understand that is lacking in some folks here. Because, if at all anyone here talks abt her its mostly to berate or mock her for her behaviour towards Kerem. Otherwise, despite being the main protagonist of the show she is hardly being considered by the esteemed folks here to be worthy of being spent any time on lol. Well, don't. No issues at all. But lets at least have the decency to avoid making fun of her or call her names out of anger or resentfulness just because of her attitude towards Kerim. Instead, for a change, wld be nice if ppl cld try and understand where she is coming from and the reasons for her behaving the way she is towards him

Also, importantly, abt FG falling in love with Kerem - if one were to carefully read what was said above, one wld know that no one said FG should not love and trust Kerem uncondionally. In fact, on the contrary, it was said that she would do so... that she wld also acknowledge and express her love for him without feeling conflicted or guilty abt it but that has to happen over a period of time and rightly so too. Had clearly also said that Kerem wld eventually win her over with his love and care... thereby playing a crucial role in her healing too...and that this journey of theirs is going to be a delightful one to watch, as it undeniably already is.

What was being objected to is impractically expecting her to forget and forgive everything instantly (not just now...from right after their marriage, as so many earlier posts suggest) as thats irrational and completely disregards the seriousness of the traumatic experience she went thru. Issue is with the expectation of a quick fix solution just so that a full blown romance between them cld be seen. As said earlier, Kerem has some way to go before he is able to atone for what he did and is able to win her trust and undying love and when he does, given the credentials of the wonderful writers of this show, it wld be incredibly amazing to watch as it wld be the culmination of a credible, beautiful journey shown in a believable way. Its commendable that the writers are evolving and nourishing their relationship in a such a sensitive, subtle and nuanced way. The pace of their story, nature of their interactions and sutble changes happening in FG's thinking of him/feelings towards him (even though she is not completely sure of them and hence understandably doesnt choose to express them yet) are perfect and lovely to watch. Issue is with ppl wanting it all to be expedited with FG getting all loveey doveey with him asap and berating and belittling her for not being so, making a complete mockery of all that she has gone thru so far.

Hence, people should read carefully before incorrectly and disingenuously implying that the point of contention here is Kerem FG coming together. Hell, nothing cld be further from the truth. Anyone having actually read the posts wld clealry know so.

Originally posted by: MysticalDawn

Yes, the show is titled - "What is Fatmagul's fault?" as someone said above. But looks like some people didn't get the memo here or is it that the sensitivity, maturity and reasonableness needed to understand that is lacking in some folks here. Because, if at all anyone here talks abt her its mostly to berate or mock her for her behaviour towards Kerem. Otherwise, despite being the main protagonist of the show she is hardly being considered by the esteemed folks here to be worthy of being spent any time on lol. Well, don't. No issues at all. But lets at least have the decency to avoid making fun of her or call her names out of anger or resentfulness just because of her attitude towards Kerim. Instead, for a change, wld be nice if ppl cld try and understand where she is coming from and the reasons for her behaving the way she is towards him

Also, importantly, abt FG falling in love with Kerem - if one were to carefully read what was said above, one wld know that no one said FG should not love and trust Kerem uncondionally. In fact, on the contrary, it was said that she would do so... that she wld also acknowledge and express her love for him without feeling conflicted or guilty abt it but that has to happen over a period of time and rightly so too. Had clearly also said that Kerem wld eventually win her over with his love and care... thereby playing a crucial role in her healing too...and that this journey of theirs is going to be a delightful one to watch, as it undeniably already is.

What was being objected to is impractically expecting her to forget and forgive everything instantly (not just now...from right after their marriage, as so many earlier posts suggest) as thats irrational and completely disregards the seriousness of the traumatic experience she went thru. Issue is with the expectation of a quick fix solution just so that a full blown romance between them cld be seen. As said earlier, Kerem has some way to go before he is able to atone for what he did and is able to win her trust and undying love and when he does, given the credentials of the wonderful writers of this show, it wld be incredibly amazing to watch as it wld be the culmination of a credible, beautiful journey shown in a believable way. Its commendable that the writers are evolving and nourishing their relationship in a such a sensitive, subtle and nuanced way. The pace of their story, nature of their interactions and sutble changes happening in FG's thinking of him/feelings towards him (even though she is not completely sure of them and hence understandably doesnt choose to express them yet) are perfect and lovely to watch. Issue is with ppl wanting it all to be expedited with FG getting all loveey doveey with him asap and berating and belittling her for not being so, making a complete mockery of all that she has gone thru so far.

Hence, people should read carefully before incorrectly and disingenuously implying that the point of contention here is Kerem FG coming together. Hell, nothing cld be further from the truth. Anyone having actually read the posts wld clealry know so.