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Raindrops.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1181

It was nostalgic to go through Humsafar again.Will surely miss this place and reading the discussion on Humsafar, I got to see humsafar in a new light after reading different takes on some parts of the show and I fell in love with Ashar Khirad all over again😳

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1182

ok observation, mehmoona died out of cancer, baseerat heart problem, fareeda probably will die out of mental sickness if she is uncured.. wow, full Hussain khandan has suffered from serious illnesses ..😆. Hareem was also a heart patient...

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Raindrops.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1183

Originally posted by: harshu.sundas
ok observation, mehmoona died out of cancer, baseerat heart problem, fareeda probably will die out of mental sickness if she is uncured.. wow, full Hussain khandan has suffered from serious illnesses ..😆. Hareem was also a heart patient...

🤣 I think only Khirad didn't suffer any disease like she said sakht jaan hoon 😆 even Ashar had a nervous breakdown and Sara well she killed herself anyways 😆

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1184

Originally posted by: ..-Raindrops-..

🤣 I think only Khirad didn't suffer any disease like she said sakht jaan hoon 😆 even Ashar had a nervous breakdown and Sara well she killed herself anyways 😆

yeah only khirad did not go thru any severe disease.. Asher's nervous breakdown was for two weeks, and he certainly had another after the real truth came out.. well sara might have killed herself, but she had serious neurotic disease🤣

by the way Fawad looked hawtt in the nervous breakdown scene ☺️🤣

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aman-ki-asha

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1185

@pinkeye

forgive me if I am a little dense, but to my mind there was no attempt by reviewmovies to deride FK fangirls. Everyone has their perspective. Some may want to delve deeper into the questions posed by any work of art. After all, art imitates life. and a considered life is better. We all have different questions to ask of life. we each of us explore this great conundrum called life, through our own prisms.

So I do not think there was an attempt to look down upon any audience. I enjoyed everybody's contribution and I think everyone did. which is why people kept coming back to touch base. It was a great drama and that it should provoke people to question society and motivations is a proof of its greatness. Good literature, good cinema does that-- it raises questions and it engages the audience to use that experience to understand their reality. Histry is replete with such examples. Viktor Frankl book about Nazi holocaust, triggered off research in psychiatry. And the band played on and God's own country and Brokeback mountain are definitive in understanding and acceptance of gay. Gordon Gecko, the character from Wall street, the film, epitomizes the "greed is good" creed. Harry potter series played a big role in acceptanceof alternative reality.

No offence was intended and hope you can erase that impression.Every voice deserves to be heard irrespective of its content.

we can all agree on one thing--I quote Voltaire--"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

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pinkeye

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1186

Originally posted by: aman-ki-asha
@pinkeye
forgive me if I am a little dense, but to my mind there was no attempt by reviewmovies to deride FK fangirls. Everyone has their perspective. Some may want to delve deeper into the questions posed by any work of art. After all,art imitates life. and a considered life is better. We all have different questionsto ask oflife.we each of us explore this great conundrum called life, through our own prisms.

So I do not think there was an attempt to look down upon any audience. I enjoyed everybody's contribution and I think everyone did. which is why people kept coming back to touch base. It was a great drama and that it should provoke people to question society and motivations is a proof of its greatness. Good literature, good cinema does that-- it raises questions and it engages the audience to use that experience to understand their reality. Histry is replete with such examples. Viktor Frankl book about Nazi holocaust, triggered off research in psychiatry. And the band played on and God's own country and Brokeback mountainare definitive in understanding and acceptance of gay. Gordon Gecko, the character from Wall street, the film, epitomizes the "greed is good" creed. Harry potter series played a big role in acceptanceof alternative reality.

No offence was intended and hope you can erase that impression.Every voice deserves to be heard irrespective of its content.

we can all agree on one thing--I quote Voltaire--"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

I exactly explained what my objection was. I found that generalisation abput Fawad fangirls inappropriate. And my take on his analysis , that too I have posted previous page. There is no need to categorise women fans reactions about Fawad's mannerisms in that simple manner and put forth analysis. Thats what I wanted to mean.
Yes different people, different opinions, different perspectives and many may want to delve into depper questions. Fair enough, their choice. Thats why I havent ever questioned different opinions posted on the dramas, even the characters, instead posted my takes only.But that generalisation wass out of place and as I said unnecessary. I have no other qualms to admit that each of us are just members of this forum to share views only.another thing very interestingly I will say that revoews, views and different opinions are only reserved for Fawad's movies, wrks, dramas, upcoming projects, no other opposing or alternative , deeper views on other people wrk as other fanbases present here too. I guess it is also known that maximum amount of discussion and different opinions can only be extracted from his fanbase on this forum. Isnt it ironical?

No offence was meant by my side too. Yes we all can happily agree to fisahree on every thing , and thus this forum is still moving without any fanwars. We are here for months and enjoying. Still if my comment meant any offence to you too, I can only offer apologies. Hope no issues further.

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nevah_mind

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1187

Very interesting to read the discussion between reviewmovies and aman ki asha.

So many more aspects brought in, and it made very interesting reading. Some learning, and some food for thought as well.

Also harshu's observation about the health issues. I have always had it in the back of my mind that Hareem had a genetic problem because of being a child out of such close blood relation in the parents. Unimportant issue, but that's my mental note.

@reviewmovies: you mentioned in one of your posts that Asher was torn between his duties to his mother and his wife, which was Islamic.

I don't want to drag religion into this, but I have read this explanation in many other places as well.

I just want to say here that people from other religions also have duties towards parents, spouses, children. So this is not an Islamic exclusive. Just making a point here, not to you specifically, but to similar comments about this aspect made by many Pakistani's explaining Asher taking care of his mother even after all she had done to ruin his life.

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reviewmovies

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Posted: 10 years ago

#1188

Originally posted by: nevah_mind
Very interesting to read the discussion between reviewmovies and aman ki asha.
So many more aspects brought in, and it made very interesting reading. Some learning, and some food for thought as well.

Also harshu's observation about the health issues. I have always had it in the back of my mind that Hareem had a genetic problem because of being a child out of such close blood relation in the parents. Unimportant issue, but that's my mental note.

@reviewmovies: you mentioned in one of your posts that Asher was torn between his duties to his mother and his wife, which was Islamic.
I don't want to drag religion into this, but I have read this explanation in many other places as well.
I just want to say here that people from other religions also have duties towards parents, spouses, children. So this is not an Islamic exclusive. Just making a point here, not to you specifically, but to similar comments about this aspect made by many Pakistani's explaining Asher taking care of his mother even after all she had done to ruin his life.

Yes that was a needless inclusion of religion in the argument - since that is how many would couch their suggestion in pakistan - i.e. when advising someone about a difficult matter they would invariably bring in what the "social law" in the religious suggests - to bring some clarity to the choices.

But it would seem preachy to others.

In any case including the islamic reference further is indicative that people are NOT always following the religious suggestions - which is why a reference like that is even warranted. There are plenty of cases of parents being abandoned at an Edhi welfare center. My mother once met a woman on a plane who had been dispatched from Pindi to the Edhi center in Karachi - because she was unmarried and her brother's wife could not tolerate her (the brother/wife were reasonably well off and would be paying for her stay in the Edhi home I think it was) - in addition she was a patient i.e. had brittle bones and on a wheelchair (something which was quite traumatic to hear) - but there are cases like this happening in Pakistan also (so novel's cruelty is nothing compared to what happens in reality).

The plight of parents etc. in these welfare homes are occasionally used by "morning shows" type of programs for tearjerking effect - for example some channels may air program on Eid - talking about "but look at these parents" and they shame the children of those parents indirectly - there is something unseemly about it - but media in pakistan is perhaps one of the "freest" in the world (yes freer than india/u.s.) - and the reason is it is still new and the regulatory or self-regulatory systems haven't really kicked in yet (as I noted earlier the media boom started with the "dictator" musharraf and sheikh rasheed almost solely pushing through this change - to the protests of the politicians of all stripes at that time who had advised against it).

In the novel if Farida was abandoned - that may not have been a bad setup - if Asher not have his flare-up - and just maintained a steady distance from his mother - and maintains a separate house for his wife and daughter - to save them the constant tension - while he attends to his mother (and lets her live life with her activities i.e. NGO etc.). That is he could have just let it slide - while making sure he takes care of his wife/child.

In the pakistani context - a well-bred person torn between revulsion at Farida's actions and his love for her (heavily damaged at that point) - he WOULD have been internally reminded himself (what does the religion say about this) in his moment of confusion. By well-bred I don't mean in the mullah sense - but in the understanding of religion and it's social obligations or as "culture" even. Then immediately this quote would appear in his head (which is exactly fitting the situation) - that "even if parents sattao (bother) then uff bhi nahin karna" i.e. even if parents are a source of irritation in their old age then the child should not even say "uff".

Yet there is a balance where you should not support your parents in wrong - YET you still are obligated to not say "uff" (even if parents are a source of irritation - like Farida) - i.e. while parents may abandon THEIR obligation to you - your obligation to them remains intact. In reality though lots of children will say "uff" - but the sense is that parents did not say "uff" when they swaddled you in diapers - so you should not say uff when they need diapers in their old age (although it is harder to care for an aging and steadily declining parent than to care for a child who generally grows out of that dependency over time - so in a way caring for a parent is perhaps a TOUGHER job !!).

This brings to mind a story yet again about (Imam) Abu Hanifa (early jurist) - who was well known in his time - a successful businessman - and respected by scholars (and a sensitive guy who was anti-mullah). YET he was treated as a child by his mother - who would consult his juniors to inquire about her son if he was right or wrong (to the embarrassment of those juniors). But then this is typical of parents for whom children remain 10 years old all their life I guess.

EDIT: However it can lead to some cruelty for children as they grow up - if the parent in their "love" can ignore the "personal" things the child is now wanting or demanding as they get older - and Farida's behavior to her son was some of this as well - i.e. she loved her son - but did not care for his choices (and felt she knew better - and thus imposed on his life to the point of destruction - because she thought in her own screwy way that complete removal of Khirad was essential to get things "back on track" pre-Baseerat forcible marriage etc.).

I am guessing that in the TV play they may have changed it to "not abandoning" - because they feared a negative reaction in the tv public - and so a different ending was chosen. Maybe even FK may have said I will not do this play if it suggests that ending .. or whatever (since will be toxic for my career/fanbase) ..

Edited by reviewmovies - 10 years ago