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Posted: 9 years ago
#31
My dear Donjas,

What exactly do you want me to do, or Mandy rather? Shift the whole thread to the JA forum? She opened it here because she was afraid the JA Zee forum might close or lock the forum, I think.

Or do you want me to put this post as a separate thread in this Zee Anmol forum? I can do that at once, but then a fresh round of PMs would be needed. And from then on the episode analyses would be standalone threads here. But this is a very confusing forum with all sorts of threads on different shows all jumbled up pell mell! Which is why I feel it would be better to keep it here itself.

I would be ready to do anything you want and Mandy agrees to, but do let me know quickly.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Donjas

Hi, this analysis by Shyamala makes my day. I was not expecting it. So give me time to savor it and then I will give my feedback.

I have a request to make, please start this thread in the main forum. The location of this thread is too out of the way and I am sure a lot many folks are missing out. Why should we deny them, anyone who is interested should get a chance to read this, a rare treat and enjoy.

Edited by sashashyam - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#32
Lovely analysis Shyamala...I too like Naved Aslam a lot...and the line of Jallu that Jo is looking in the mirror touched me too...
Shyamala Jo's tomb is around less then half KM away from Jallu's tomb..U can see Jallu's tomb from Jo's tomb...Anyway I am glad that you have started analysing again dear...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam


Roohon ki baatein: The voices were softer than at any other time in such scenes shown later, and Jalal's was almost unrecognizably gentle. His Jodha, without the Begum, pleased me inordinately, as also that, in a charming contrast with his irritating habit later, he does not add Jodha Begum in every sentence he utters, as if he was in danger of forgetting her name!😉

Now where do you suppose this scene in Hamara maqbara ,as Jodha puts it, is situated? The opening line, by Jalal, is Aap yahan, Jodha?, and she responds Aapko dekhne aayi hoon! Which would put it at Sikandra, Akbar's mausoleum, which seems to be in remarkably good shape, and not in Jodha's 1 km or so away.

Aap yahan, Jodha...reminded me of Jodhas's oft repeated 'aap yahan, is samay...'🤣


There is a lovely, throwaway line from Jalal next, Tum to khudh ko aaine mein dekh rahi ho! It has deep, romantic implications, for she has come to see him, but now she looks in her mirror. Where she sees, not herself, but him, for he is part of her, indeed more. He is woven into the warp and woof of her being, and as Harry Potter when he looks into the Mirror of Erised, Jodha looks into her aaina, and she sees her heart's deepest desire, Jalal. It is an intensely moving line, but I wonder how many who watched it really grasped its true significance.

😕Not me..😕

But having seen their future, EK style, EK's Jodha would have seen Jalal praising her hunars and obeying her whims and following her maargdarshans in the Mirror of Erised, if she did indeed happened to peep into one.😡


The Jalal as Jallad ranting: But then Jalal has to be shown cutting down foes right and left instead of embracing them with daya aur prem. For Om Puri is here bent on asserting that Jalal is a beraham yoddha, a bloodthirsty zaalim aur vaishi ( the CVs apparently forgot to add darinda!😉) and that his shamsheer ne khoon ka swaad chaka, as though the shamsheers of all the warriors seen in Hindustan till then were raised on a milk diet. 😡

🤣


However, since at this point the brooding young Murad-to-be, perched on a huge pedestal in the middle of nowhere like a statue, had been replaced by apna Rajat, with his handsome face and arrogant sneer, no one, at least none of the ladies, would have lent an ear to what Puri was babbling😆. Which would have been all for the best!😉

Of course. We have tolerated worse for Rajat. Haven't we?😉

Bairam Khan: Naved Aslam is an excellent actor. As he intones:

Tum soorma ho Jalal.. Fateh karna tumhara mazhab... Yeh shamsheer tumhari baandi.. Sultanat tumhari chahat...Beraham khauff tumhari shoharat..Fateh kar lo is mulq ko! ,

he almost gave me goose pimples. Even the yoddha ke seene mein dil nahin hota mantra,which makes its debut here, could not irritate me! Bairam Khan's narrow face, with its deep-set, lambent eyes, is imbued with one fierce and unwavering obsession, Mughal rule over all of Hindustan, thru fear and force. He is wrong, of course, for no land this vast can be ruled for long by fear and force, but if it was a failing, it was in its way a magnificent one!

Naved Aslam was excellent as BK. So was the entire initial cast - Maham Anga, AK, Shariffu, Sujamal. They were all better than in the movie The only sore misfit was the choice for Salim.

And the young Jalal matches him well, which is no easy feat, especially in the scene where his Khan Baba blotches the map of Rajasthan with his blood. Obviously they had no fear of septicaemia in those days!😉

🤣.

Kabootar aa, aa, aa: This part was as ludicrous the second time around as it was at the first showing. But how on earth does Jodha, who is clearly a female, 16th century version of Usain Bolt, follow the fall trajectory of the wounded pigeon? And then, when she releases it, it takes off as if it was not in the least hurt!😉

Btw, why did she come all the way running to catch the kabootar...only to let it fly again? Or did the bird fall at such a wide trajectory that she ran across the entire palace and could catch it still...

Not that Jalaluddin Muhammad, with his trademark half sneer, seems at all bothered by such matters right now!

😳

Shyamala/Aunty/Akka/Di


Good Lord. Seems like we are back by a year and a half, with the regular analysis and discussions...8 more to go...😃
Edited by Sandhya.A - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#34
Dear Aunty,
A wonderful satirical post Aunty. Was missing this from long 😛

I agree with the excessive "Jalal = Jallad" drilling being too irritating. As irritating as Begumsa's ghrina. But I think it was a good opening episode. It was fast paced, with a taut narrative. And the soul talk was the soul of the episode. Pity that while re-watching, you begin to wonder if the show truly showed Jodha-Jalal as soul mates. Atleast I think not.
Edited by sp108 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#35
Isn't it fun, my pet? I plan to do them as if I was once more at the beginning, without any of the foreknowledge that comes with a second viewing, and so for me the magic of Jodha's aaina is intact. You should also try and keep it that way, for the payal and other scenes to follow!

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: Sandhya.A


Good Lord. Seems like we are back by a year and a half, with the regular analysis and discussions...8 more to go...😃



Originally posted by: sashashyam

Roohon ki baatein: The voices were softer than at any other time in such scenes shown later, and Jalal's was almost unrecognizably gentle. His Jodha, without the Begum, pleased me inordinately, as also that, in a charming contrast with his irritating habit later, he does not add Jodha Begum in every sentence he utters, as if he was in danger of forgetting her name!😉

Now where do you suppose this scene in Hamara maqbara ,as Jodha puts it, is situated? The opening line, by Jalal, is Aap yahan, Jodha?, and she responds Aapko dekhne aayi hoon! Which would put it at Sikandra, Akbar's mausoleum, which seems to be in remarkably good shape, and not in Jodha's 1 km or so away.

Aap yahan, Jodha...reminded me of Jodhas's oft repeated 'aap yahan, is samay...'🤣


There is a lovely, throwaway line from Jalal next, Tum to khudh ko aaine mein dekh rahi ho! It has deep, romantic implications, for she has come to see him, but now she looks in her mirror. Where she sees, not herself, but him, for he is part of her, indeed more. He is woven into the warp and woof of her being, and as Harry Potter when he looks into the Mirror of Erised, Jodha looks into her aaina, and she sees her heart's deepest desire, Jalal. It is an intensely moving line, but I wonder how many who watched it really grasped its true significance.

😕Not me..😕

But having seen their future, EK style, EK's Jodha would have seen Jalal praising her hunars and obeying her whims and following her maargdarshans in the Mirror of Erised, if she did indeed happened to peep into one.😡


The Jalal as Jallad ranting: But then Jalal has to be shown cutting down foes right and left instead of embracing them with daya aur prem. For Om Puri is here bent on asserting that Jalal is a beraham yoddha, a bloodthirsty zaalim aur vaishi ( the CVs apparently forgot to add darinda!😉) and that his shamsheer ne khoon ka swaad chaka, as though the shamsheers of all the warriors seen in Hindustan till then were raised on a milk diet. 😡

🤣


However, since at this point the brooding young Murad-to-be, perched on a huge pedestal in the middle of nowhere like a statue, had been replaced by apna Rajat, with his handsome face and arrogant sneer, no one, at least none of the ladies, would have lent an ear to what Puri was babbling😆. Which would have been all for the best!😉

Of course. We have tolerated worse for Rajat. Haven't we?😉

Bairam Khan: Naved Aslam is an excellent actor. As he intones:

Tum soorma ho Jalal.. Fateh karna tumhara mazhab... Yeh shamsheer tumhari baandi.. Sultanat tumhari chahat...Beraham khauff tumhari shoharat..Fateh kar lo is mulq ko! ,

he almost gave me goose pimples. Even the yoddha ke seene mein dil nahin hota mantra,which makes its debut here, could not irritate me! Bairam Khan's narrow face, with its deep-set, lambent eyes, is imbued with one fierce and unwavering obsession, Mughal rule over all of Hindustan, thru fear and force. He is wrong, of course, for no land this vast can be ruled for long by fear and force, but if it was a failing, it was in its way a magnificent one!

Naved Aslam was excellent as BK. So was the entire initial cast - Maham Anga, AK, Shariffu, Sujamal. They were all better than in the movie The only sore misfit was the choice for Salim.

And the young Jalal matches him well, which is no easy feat, especially in the scene where his Khan Baba blotches the map of Rajasthan with his blood. Obviously they had no fear of septicaemia in those days!😉

🤣.

Kabootar aa, aa, aa: This part was as ludicrous the second time around as it was at the first showing. But how on earth does Jodha, who is clearly a female, 16th century version of Usain Bolt, follow the fall trajectory of the wounded pigeon? And then, when she releases it, it takes off as if it was not in the least hurt!😉

Btw, why did she come all the way running to catch the kabootar...only to let it fly again? Or did the bird fall at such a wide trajectory that she ran across the entire palace and could catch it still...

Not that Jalaluddin Muhammad, with his trademark half sneer, seems at all bothered by such matters right now!

😳

Shyamala/Aunty/Akka/Di


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Posted: 9 years ago
#36
I really excited...
I was really missing our all time fav show...
Thanx 4 the pm aunty
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Posted: 9 years ago
#37
Thank you so very much! And as for the soulmates, I agree with you.

I was missing being back with all of you, my dear Shreya. As I wrote to Sandhya, I had almost forgotten what fun it was to do daily episode analyses!

Well, there will be 8 more fresh ones, and then, as desired by Mandy, I shall put up the whole of my earlier episode analyses of old (not just the Rajat-centred extracts as I have been doing in the other thread where I have come up to Episode 59) with such alterations and additions as a second viewing might suggest. Does that sound good to you?

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: sp108

Dear Aunty,

A wonderful satirical post Aunty. Was missing this from long 😛

I agree with the excessive "Jalal = Jallad" drilling being too irritating. As irritating as Begumsa's ghrina. But I think it was a good opening episode. It was fast paced, with a taut narrative. And the soul talk was the soul of the episode. Pity that while re-watching, you begin to wonder if the show truly showed Jodha-Jalal as soul mates. Atleast I think not.

Edited by sashashyam - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#38
You are welcome my dear. But if you liked my post and did not hit the Like button, I am going to spank you!😉 So beware and do so at once!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: NehaSharma07

I really excited...
I was really missing our all time fav show...
Thanx 4 the pm aunty

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Posted: 9 years ago
#39
I am very pleased that (a) you loved that aaina reference as much as I did and (b) that you enjoyed this post. I am more than pleased that you are back with me. Ela dear!

I have visited Agra four times, but somehow never managed to get to Sikandra. Three times it was with VVIP foreign delegations and Sikandra was not on their programme, and when I went to Agra at 12, my father did not take us to Sikandra. So Jodha's tomb is so near Akbar's!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: elasingh

Lovely analysis Shyamala...I too like Naved Aslam a lot...and the line of Jallu that Jo is looking in the mirror touched me too...

Shyamala Jo's tomb is around less then half KM away from Jallu's tomb..U can see Jallu's tomb from Jo's tomb...Anyway I am glad that you have started analysing again dear...

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sandhya.A


Good Lord. Seems like we are back by a year and a half, with the regular analysis and discussions...8 more to go...😃

Edited by ---Khushi--- - 9 years ago

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