A rather sweet scene - Page 3

Originally posted by: Onyourface

Agreed Zara

But she was genuinely nice to ketki there...I think that is what the thread maker meant...I guess

She has no problem in sharing things ...she has problem sharing things with Mishti...when mishti comes in the picture...she loses her sanity

She thinks she is better than mish...n deserves to get better things than mishti

Her *main Mishti Ko Kunal se JEET kar bhi HAAR gayi #loserforlife*....this...this is where the problem is.....she considers life a competition ...and when you know you have lost it...things get worse

That's what even more irksome URU. She can be nice to others but not to Misthi so far from Misthi's end apart from that haldi fiasco I haven't seen her giving Kuhu any reason to hate her. I do agree that her deep seated insecurities and her resentment for Mish is manifesting in her jealousy but I do blame a bit of her pampered upbringing too. I feel like in the quest of making Kuhu feel that she is the best mother Varsha sort of coddled her.

Originally posted by: fangirl1012

That's what even more irksome URU. She can be nice to others but not to Misthi so far from Misthi's end apart from that haldi fiasco I haven't seen her giving Kuhu any reason to hate her. I do agree that her deep seated insecurities and her resentment for Mish is manifesting in her jealousy but I do blame a bit of her pampered upbringing too. I feel like in the quest of making Kuhu feel that she is the best mother Varsha sort of coddled her.

Of course Zara...it's irksome...more than mish being with Abir she is irritated with the fact that mish will re enter her life in the same house..with a better position...and definitely Abir is a better choice than Kunal...so expect more drama from kuhu in future...unless something happens and she changes her mind...let's see what nannu can do here...he can be a bridge between the two girls!

mahs are also responsible in a way...as someone mentioned in a post...mishku were doing unity drama all these years...so one really paid any attention to the substance over form

I completely agree with you on Varsha...

Originally posted by: Onyourface

Of course Zara...it's irksome...more than mish being with Abir she is irritated with the fact that mish will re enter her life in the same house..with a better position...and definitely Abir is a better choice than Kunal...so expect more drama from kuhu in future...unless something happens and she changes her mind...let's see what nannu can do here...he can be a bridge between the two girls!

mahs are also responsible in a way...as someone mentioned in a post...mishku were doing unity drama all these years...so one really paid any attention to the substance over form

I completely agree with you on Varsha...

Yeah if you put it that way she will continue to get jealous as the bond Mishbir share is deeper than whatever fakeness she has with Kunal. Plus Abir as a person as you rightly pointed out is more emotionally sorted. I just didn't want this show to go the conventional sister rivalry way because that's so cliched. Yeah the Mah's should have noticed their pretense and if they would have intervened earlier it could have helped the Mishku bond.

Originally posted by: fangirl1012

Yeah if you put it that way she will continue to get jealous as the bond Mishbir share is deeper than whatever fakeness she has with Kunal. Plus Abir as a person as you rightly pointed out is more emotionally sorted. I just didn't want this show to go the conventional sister rivalry way because that's so cliched. Yeah the Mah's should have noticed their pretense and if they would have intervened earlier it could have helped the Mishku bond.

Exactly they could have done better with mishku...kuhu being grey that I don't mind...but this is Black...

Kuhu has been my favourite character from day one as well, and @beguilling, I have really enjoyed your Kuhu-centric posts of late. I hope you don't mind me putting a little vent here on your topic, because I may well stop watching soon, depending on what they do with Kuhu this week. They seem hell-bent on making every character evil just to drive home how great the leads are, and that makes the show very flat. One of the most important things about characterisation is to show that a character is a certain way or possesses certain flaws and strengths, rather than just saying it. With this show, I feel like I am told repeatedly how great Misthi and Abir are, but as the show progresses, I see less and less evidence of this. On the other hand, I am told that Kunal and Kuhu are selfish and semi-villanous but I find them infinitely more sympathetic because at the very least, their actions are consistent with their motivations.

I am well aware that I am in a miniscule minority (I may even be the only one), but I totally get Kuhu's frustration with Misthi -- especially because it echoes my own frustration with the way the character has been introduced vs. how it has unfolded. Being outwardly mean and aggressive (as Kuhu is) isn't the only way to hurt a person -- you can also hurt them deeply by dismissing their feelings and being patronising, which is how Mishti constantly gets under Kuhu's skin. She keeps making unilateral decisions for Kuhu and then throwing her "help" in Kuhu's face.

In truth, her decisions and "sacrifices" are mostly unhelpful or straight up harmful for Kuhu, and her barely-forming relationship with Kunal. When Kunal and Kuhu's friendship was in its infancy (and Kuhu was just starting to draw Kunal out), she begged Misthi not to out her to the family because she didn't know how Kunal felt about her yet (yet another example of a sorted, pragmatic Kuhu), but Misthi went ahead and told BP everything, he then proceeded to push Kuhu into a new rishta, which made the equation all or nothing for Kuhu and Kunal, and gave Meenu such a giant upper hand. Notice that in all of this so-called honesty, Mishti did not and to this date has not mentioned her own "friendship" with Abir.

And I think that is what motivated her great "sacrifice" at the haldi too. If Mishti was the girl the show keeps telling us she is, she would have told Kuhu what Meenu was up to and let her decide whether she wants to be a part of that family or not. At least tell the elders, if not Kuhu herself! But therein lies the rub: in order to tell anyone about Meenu's blackmail, she would have had to reveal her equation with Abir and shatter the image of perfection in BP and BM's eyes. She wasn't willing to do that, so she made it all about sacrificing for Kuhu's happiness. When Abir made it so that she could have both -- their relationship and control over her image -- she came back and acted like nothing out of the ordinary happened. She only felt accountable to BP, so why are we mad that BP is the only one who is supporting her now?

And I have similar feelings about Abir and Kunal. Abir tries to exercise rights over Kunal that I don't think he has actually earned. As Kunal told Meenu the day of the wedding, he always tried to be the son that bhai couldn't/wouldn't be. Abir enjoys his free-spirit lifestyle without really thinking about the consequences, i.e., that the entire burden of the household, and managing Meenu, falls on Kunal's shoulders. This is where Kuhu and Kunal have a lot in common -- the family takes their samajhdari for granted when convenient (like when nobody thought twice to crack the surface of Kuhu's reaction to the Kunal-Misthi rishta) but then wants to swoop in micromanage them (like when Abir wouldn't "let" Kunal talk to Shweta).

This is why, despite where they are now, I find Kuhu-Kunal's relationship much more convincing than Mishti-Abir's. There is a raw honesty there that makes for a very interesting foundation. Kuhu knows more about Kunal's heartbreak and his past with Shweta than anyone in his family. Kunal knows about Kuhu's fake relationship with Mishti, and he has seen and acknowledged how mature and "sorted" she can be. I don't see what Kuhu is doing with Kunal now as a lack of self-respect necessarily -- she is just buying time to understand exactly what the situation is. Plus, she is trying to say, those rituals meant something whether you like it or not. We are married, whether you like it or not so let's figure out a way to make this work and avoid hurting our families. I am sure that after some time, if she finds that he won't budge, she will leave but in her mind, it hasn't come to that yet.

This got very long because it has been pent up for a while, sorry if I've gone wildly off topic. 😛 I guess the point is, Kuhu is a great character and I think her anger towards Misthi is very plausible, given how the story has unfolded. It doesn't surprise me that she is doing well in her sasural because that's who she has always been -- people in her maika just had an image of her as spoilt, jhalli, and nadaan and they treated her accordingly (except for Varsha, bless her) instead of actually listening to her and recognising who she actually is. The writers have done a great job with her so far, but if they continue to make her greyer to make Mishti more sympathetic, then I'm out. Here's a novel idea: give Mishti a storyline in which she can be proactive instead of just reacting to what happens around her.

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Kuhu has been my favourite character from day one as well, and @beguilling, I have really enjoyed your Kuhu-centric posts of late. I hope you don't mind me putting a little vent here on your topic, because I may well stop watching soon, depending on what they do with Kuhu this week. They seem hell-bent on making every character evil just to drive home how great the leads are, and that makes the show very flat. One of the most important things about characterisation is to show that a character is a certain way or possesses certain flaws and strengths, rather than just saying it. With this show, I feel like I am told repeatedly how great Misthi and Abir are, but as the show progresses, I see less and less evidence of this. On the other hand, I am told that Kunal and Kuhu are selfish and semi-villanous but I find them infinitely more sympathetic because at the very least, their actions are consistent with their motivations.

I am well aware that I am in a miniscule minority (I may even be the only one), but I totally get Kuhu's frustration with Misthi -- especially because it echoes my own frustration with the way the character has been introduced vs. how it has unfolded. Being outwardly mean and aggressive (as Kuhu is) isn't the only way to hurt a person -- you can also hurt them deeply by dismissing their feelings and being patronising, which is how Mishti constantly gets under Kuhu's skin. She keeps making unilateral decisions for Kuhu and then throwing her "help" in Kuhu's face.

In truth, her decisions and "sacrifices" are mostly unhelpful or straight up harmful for Kuhu, and her barely-forming relationship with Kunal. When Kunal and Kuhu's friendship was in its infancy (and Kuhu was just starting to draw Kunal out), she begged Misthi not to out her to the family because she didn't know how Kunal felt about her yet (yet another example of a sorted, pragmatic Kuhu), but Misthi went ahead and told BP everything, he then proceeded to push Kuhu into a new rishta, which made the equation all or nothing for Kuhu and Kunal, and gave Meenu such a giant upper hand. Notice that in all of this so-called honesty, Mishti did not and to this date has not mentioned her own "friendship" with Abir.

And I think that is what motivated her great "sacrifice" at the haldi too. If Mishti was the girl the show keeps telling us she is, she would have told Kuhu what Meenu was up to and let her decide whether she wants to be a part of that family or not. At least tell the elders, if not Kuhu herself! But therein lies the rub: in order to tell anyone about Meenu's blackmail, she would have had to reveal her equation with Abir and shatter the image of perfection in BP and BM's eyes. She wasn't willing to do that, so she made it all about sacrificing for Kuhu's happiness. When Abir made it so that she could have both -- their relationship and control over her image -- she came back and acted like nothing out of the ordinary happened. She only felt accountable to BP, so why are we mad that BP is the only one who is supporting her now?

And I have similar feelings about Abir and Kunal. Abir tries to exercise rights over Kunal that I don't think he has actually earned. As Kunal told Meenu the day of the wedding, he always tried to be the son that bhai couldn't/wouldn't be. Abir enjoys his free-spirit lifestyle without really thinking about the consequences, i.e., that the entire burden of the household, and managing Meenu, falls on Kunal's shoulders. This is where Kuhu and Kunal have a lot in common -- the family takes their samajhdari for granted when convenient (like when nobody thought twice to crack the surface of Kuhu's reaction to the Kunal-Misthi rishta) but then wants to swoop in micromanage them (like when Abir wouldn't "let" Kunal talk to Shweta).

This is why, despite where they are now, I find Kuhu-Kunal's relationship much more convincing than Mishti-Abir's. There is a raw honesty there that makes for a very interesting foundation. Kuhu knows more about Kunal's heartbreak and his past with Shweta than anyone in his family. Kunal knows about Kuhu's fake relationship with Mishti, and he has seen and acknowledged how mature and "sorted" she can be. I don't see what Kuhu is doing with Kunal now as a lack of self-respect necessarily -- she is just buying time to understand exactly what the situation is. Plus, she is trying to say, those rituals meant something whether you like it or not. We are married, whether you like it or not so let's figure out a way to make this work and avoid hurting our families. I am sure that after some time, if she finds that he won't budge, she will leave but in her mind, it hasn't come to that yet.

This got very long because it has been pent up for a while, sorry if I've gone wildly off topic. 😛 I guess the point is, Kuhu is a great character and I think her anger towards Misthi is very plausible, given how the story has unfolded. It doesn't surprise me that she is doing well in her sasural because that's who she has always been -- people in her maika just had an image of her as spoilt, jhalli, and nadaan and they treated her accordingly (except for Varsha, bless her) instead of actually listening to her and recognising who she actually is. The writers have done a great job with her so far, but if they continue to make her greyer to make Mishti more sympathetic, then I'm out. Here's a novel idea: give Mishti a storyline in which she can be proactive instead of just reacting to what happens around her.

Really enjoyed reading a different opinion about Kuhu :)

Will reply properly once I have finished watching today's episode.

@Samanalyse

Tho you can call me a MishBir fan, it was refreshing to read your views and a entirely different pov on the plot.

But I do think a person needs to be heartless to spit that much venom that Kuhu spits on Mishti even if we hate someone, that alone makes her characterisation bad for me. I'm actually surprised Mishti isn't traumatized sharing her room for so many years with the person who keeps taunting her whenever possible.

After posting this, I came across a whole thread in the forum addressing the mental abuse going on in the show.

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Kuhu has been my favourite character from day one as well, and @beguilling, I have really enjoyed your Kuhu-centric posts of late. I hope you don't mind me putting a little vent here on your topic, because I may well stop watching soon, depending on what they do with Kuhu this week. They seem hell-bent on making every character evil just to drive home how great the leads are, and that makes the show very flat. One of the most important things about characterisation is to show that a character is a certain way or possesses certain flaws and strengths, rather than just saying it. With this show, I feel like I am told repeatedly how great Misthi and Abir are, but as the show progresses, I see less and less evidence of this. On the other hand, I am told that Kunal and Kuhu are selfish and semi-villanous but I find them infinitely more sympathetic because at the very least, their actions are consistent with their motivations.

I am well aware that I am in a miniscule minority (I may even be the only one), but I totally get Kuhu's frustration with Misthi -- especially because it echoes my own frustration with the way the character has been introduced vs. how it has unfolded. Being outwardly mean and aggressive (as Kuhu is) isn't the only way to hurt a person -- you can also hurt them deeply by dismissing their feelings and being patronising, which is how Mishti constantly gets under Kuhu's skin. She keeps making unilateral decisions for Kuhu and then throwing her "help" in Kuhu's face.

In truth, her decisions and "sacrifices" are mostly unhelpful or straight up harmful for Kuhu, and her barely-forming relationship with Kunal. When Kunal and Kuhu's friendship was in its infancy (and Kuhu was just starting to draw Kunal out), she begged Misthi not to out her to the family because she didn't know how Kunal felt about her yet (yet another example of a sorted, pragmatic Kuhu), but Misthi went ahead and told BP everything, he then proceeded to push Kuhu into a new rishta, which made the equation all or nothing for Kuhu and Kunal, and gave Meenu such a giant upper hand. Notice that in all of this so-called honesty, Mishti did not and to this date has not mentioned her own "friendship" with Abir.

And I think that is what motivated her great "sacrifice" at the haldi too. If Mishti was the girl the show keeps telling us she is, she would have told Kuhu what Meenu was up to and let her decide whether she wants to be a part of that family or not. At least tell the elders, if not Kuhu herself! But therein lies the rub: in order to tell anyone about Meenu's blackmail, she would have had to reveal her equation with Abir and shatter the image of perfection in BP and BM's eyes. She wasn't willing to do that, so she made it all about sacrificing for Kuhu's happiness. When Abir made it so that she could have both -- their relationship and control over her image -- she came back and acted like nothing out of the ordinary happened. She only felt accountable to BP, so why are we mad that BP is the only one who is supporting her now?

And I have similar feelings about Abir and Kunal. Abir tries to exercise rights over Kunal that I don't think he has actually earned. As Kunal told Meenu the day of the wedding, he always tried to be the son that bhai couldn't/wouldn't be. Abir enjoys his free-spirit lifestyle without really thinking about the consequences, i.e., that the entire burden of the household, and managing Meenu, falls on Kunal's shoulders. This is where Kuhu and Kunal have a lot in common -- the family takes their samajhdari for granted when convenient (like when nobody thought twice to crack the surface of Kuhu's reaction to the Kunal-Misthi rishta) but then wants to swoop in micromanage them (like when Abir wouldn't "let" Kunal talk to Shweta).

This is why, despite where they are now, I find Kuhu-Kunal's relationship much more convincing than Mishti-Abir's. There is a raw honesty there that makes for a very interesting foundation. Kuhu knows more about Kunal's heartbreak and his past with Shweta than anyone in his family. Kunal knows about Kuhu's fake relationship with Mishti, and he has seen and acknowledged how mature and "sorted" she can be. I don't see what Kuhu is doing with Kunal now as a lack of self-respect necessarily -- she is just buying time to understand exactly what the situation is. Plus, she is trying to say, those rituals meant something whether you like it or not. We are married, whether you like it or not so let's figure out a way to make this work and avoid hurting our families. I am sure that after some time, if she finds that he won't budge, she will leave but in her mind, it hasn't come to that yet.

This got very long because it has been pent up for a while, sorry if I've gone wildly off topic. 😛 I guess the point is, Kuhu is a great character and I think her anger towards Misthi is very plausible, given how the story has unfolded. It doesn't surprise me that she is doing well in her sasural because that's who she has always been -- people in her maika just had an image of her as spoilt, jhalli, and nadaan and they treated her accordingly (except for Varsha, bless her) instead of actually listening to her and recognising who she actually is. The writers have done a great job with her so far, but if they continue to make her greyer to make Mishti more sympathetic, then I'm out. Here's a novel idea: give Mishti a storyline in which she can be proactive instead of just reacting to what happens around her.

Wow! I honestly loved reading how you see these characters. I agree, most of what mess Kuhu and Kunal are in is because Mishti and Abir were particularly excited by the prospect of them finding romance. Abir, I feel did it because he wanted to neutralize the 'hate' Kunal was harbouring for Mishti.

@bold : Honestly, I overlooked it big time. Your post has really given me a different opinion altogether. In the end, I still really like Kuhu, so big props. Always fascinating to read new perceptions.

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Kuhu has been my favourite character from day one as well, and @beguilling, I have really enjoyed your Kuhu-centric posts of late. I hope you don't mind me putting a little vent here on your topic, because I may well stop watching soon, depending on what they do with Kuhu this week. They seem hell-bent on making every character evil just to drive home how great the leads are, and that makes the show very flat. One of the most important things about characterisation is to show that a character is a certain way or possesses certain flaws and strengths, rather than just saying it. With this show, I feel like I am told repeatedly how great Misthi and Abir are, but as the show progresses, I see less and less evidence of this. On the other hand, I am told that Kunal and Kuhu are selfish and semi-villanous but I find them infinitely more sympathetic because at the very least, their actions are consistent with their motivations.

I am well aware that I am in a miniscule minority (I may even be the only one), but I totally get Kuhu's frustration with Misthi -- especially because it echoes my own frustration with the way the character has been introduced vs. how it has unfolded. Being outwardly mean and aggressive (as Kuhu is) isn't the only way to hurt a person -- you can also hurt them deeply by dismissing their feelings and being patronising, which is how Mishti constantly gets under Kuhu's skin. She keeps making unilateral decisions for Kuhu and then throwing her "help" in Kuhu's face.

In truth, her decisions and "sacrifices" are mostly unhelpful or straight up harmful for Kuhu, and her barely-forming relationship with Kunal. When Kunal and Kuhu's friendship was in its infancy (and Kuhu was just starting to draw Kunal out), she begged Misthi not to out her to the family because she didn't know how Kunal felt about her yet (yet another example of a sorted, pragmatic Kuhu), but Misthi went ahead and told BP everything, he then proceeded to push Kuhu into a new rishta, which made the equation all or nothing for Kuhu and Kunal, and gave Meenu such a giant upper hand. Notice that in all of this so-called honesty, Mishti did not and to this date has not mentioned her own "friendship" with Abir.

And I think that is what motivated her great "sacrifice" at the haldi too. If Mishti was the girl the show keeps telling us she is, she would have told Kuhu what Meenu was up to and let her decide whether she wants to be a part of that family or not. At least tell the elders, if not Kuhu herself! But therein lies the rub: in order to tell anyone about Meenu's blackmail, she would have had to reveal her equation with Abir and shatter the image of perfection in BP and BM's eyes. She wasn't willing to do that, so she made it all about sacrificing for Kuhu's happiness. When Abir made it so that she could have both -- their relationship and control over her image -- she came back and acted like nothing out of the ordinary happened. She only felt accountable to BP, so why are we mad that BP is the only one who is supporting her now?

And I have similar feelings about Abir and Kunal. Abir tries to exercise rights over Kunal that I don't think he has actually earned. As Kunal told Meenu the day of the wedding, he always tried to be the son that bhai couldn't/wouldn't be. Abir enjoys his free-spirit lifestyle without really thinking about the consequences, i.e., that the entire burden of the household, and managing Meenu, falls on Kunal's shoulders. This is where Kuhu and Kunal have a lot in common -- the family takes their samajhdari for granted when convenient (like when nobody thought twice to crack the surface of Kuhu's reaction to the Kunal-Misthi rishta) but then wants to swoop in micromanage them (like when Abir wouldn't "let" Kunal talk to Shweta).

This is why, despite where they are now, I find Kuhu-Kunal's relationship much more convincing than Mishti-Abir's. There is a raw honesty there that makes for a very interesting foundation. Kuhu knows more about Kunal's heartbreak and his past with Shweta than anyone in his family. Kunal knows about Kuhu's fake relationship with Mishti, and he has seen and acknowledged how mature and "sorted" she can be. I don't see what Kuhu is doing with Kunal now as a lack of self-respect necessarily -- she is just buying time to understand exactly what the situation is. Plus, she is trying to say, those rituals meant something whether you like it or not. We are married, whether you like it or not so let's figure out a way to make this work and avoid hurting our families. I am sure that after some time, if she finds that he won't budge, she will leave but in her mind, it hasn't come to that yet.

This got very long because it has been pent up for a while, sorry if I've gone wildly off topic. 😛 I guess the point is, Kuhu is a great character and I think her anger towards Misthi is very plausible, given how the story has unfolded. It doesn't surprise me that she is doing well in her sasural because that's who she has always been -- people in her maika just had an image of her as spoilt, jhalli, and nadaan and they treated her accordingly (except for Varsha, bless her) instead of actually listening to her and recognising who she actually is. The writers have done a great job with her so far, but if they continue to make her greyer to make Mishti more sympathetic, then I'm out. Here's a novel idea: give Mishti a storyline in which she can be proactive instead of just reacting to what happens around her.

Thats a very interesting take and I liked reading it simply because it was different and you have a way with words. But I disagree on quite a few points and I will try to articulate that :)

a. Mishti has been unfair to Kuhu a few times. Like you rightly pointed out, it was extremely unfair on Mishti's part to out Kuhu's feelings for Kunal. And I'd like it add that Mishti was wrong in not explaining to Kuhu as to what exactly drove her to reject Kunal esp after she got to know that Kuhu has feelings for him. Mishti had legitimate reasons to refuse the alliance yet she never tried to discuss this with Kuhu (does not matter whether Kuhu would pay heed to this or not). Similarly, I also agree that Mishti should have revealed what Meenakshi was doing with her and given the complete picture to Kuhu and then let her take the final call. But what I don't agree with here is that she did this just to protect her perfect image and ensure her relationship with Abir is not exposed. If this 'relationship' will shatter her image before BP and BM, so will her stunt of insulting Kuhu and calling her illegitimate and exposing the reality of their bond before the entire family. As stupid as it was (and I still hate the fact that Mishti gave in), she was literally willing to give up her one chance at happiness with Abir and leave home just to make sure the marriage happens. Abir showed incredible trust in her is a different matter altogether. The point is she was willing to do it just because she was convinced Kuhu and Kunal love each other. We can debate on the ridiculousness of her action but I completely disagree that Mishti did this just to protect her image and make sure her relationship with Abir is not exposed.

b. Mishti might be a lot of things. Maybe patronizing, may treat Kuhu as a child, maybe dismissive of Kuhu's feelings and is probably guilty of not sharing a lot of things with her but there is no denying that Kuhu has been incredibly abusive towards Mishti right from the time the show started. Nothing Mishti did, can justify that kind of mental abuse. Calling someone charity case, puppy or reiterating every single day that she is not needed in anyone's life is nothing short of traumatic. Also, Kuhu consciously plotted with Kunal to break Abir-Mishti. Wasn't Kuhu unilaterally taking decisions for Mishti by forcing her to stay away from Abir? Wasn't she being downright mean in that e-mail fiasco and watching Mishti get insulted in front of her family? How do we justify such behaviour? I know you aren't but my point is its very convenient to blame Mishti's behaviour for all of Kuhu's insensitivity.

c. Coming to Abir-Kunal, again I partly agree and partly disagree. Abir is at fault for not understanding the consequences of his lifestyle. Him running away has resulted in Kunal taking up more than his share of the responsibility and it has also pushed Kunal to be too dependent and too subservient to his mom. But IMO, this is exactly what makes Abir over-compensate. He almost babysits Kunal and conveniently shifts all the blame on his mom even when Kunal messes up. During that Kunal-Mishti track, Kunal voluntarily messed up on a lot of occasions but Abir eventually blamed his mom for everything. Its the same with this shaadi. Kunal ran away yet its all Meenu's fault. Kunal voluntarily led on his bhai and even told him he will elope if maa does not agree yet when the truth is out, it will somehow be about Meenu's manipulation. And its interesting that you talk about Abir micromanaging Kunal. What about Kunal micromanaging Abir? Doesn't he assume Abir is a baby who needs to be protected from evil Mishti? Did he not devise an elaborate plan to use Kuhu's feelings just to separate Abir from Mishti? Did he not willfully go ahead with his mother's plan of using Mishti to expose Kuhu's parentage just to make Abir hate Mishti? If he was so concerned, why cant he just talk with Abir? Why cant he just express his fears and then let him decide? At least Abir wanted to deal with Shwet because he knew Kunal was hurting and he hates her now. At least he went ahead with this KuKu shaadi only after Kunal gave him definitive signals about being game for this marriage. What about Kunal? Why is his micromanagement okay?

I think I have written a very long post 😆 But IMO, Kuhu has been extremely insensitive to Mishti and has been borderline abusive. And Kunal has been super egoistic and unable to handle a rejection which has resulted in this chain reaction. I see no honesty there because Kunal literally played with her feelings just because he was apparently protecting his bhai. He could have backed out from the shaadi even at the last moment but he chose not to and kept relying on his mother to do something. He blames everyone apart from himself for the mess he is in. Ditto with Kuhu. Forget Mishti, she can actually see how much Abir dotes on her. He has supported her multiple times even when Kunal was being insensitive to her feelings yet she finds it okay to abuse and disrespect his relationship with Mishti behind his back. To cut the long story short, I think Kuhu and Kunal have a lot of growing up to do and most of the mess they are in is a result of their own actions. Most definitely not Abir-Mishti's.

P.S. Keep visiting the forum. Your post made me write an essay after ages 🤣

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Kuhu has been my favourite character from day one as well, and @beguilling, I have really enjoyed your Kuhu-centric posts of late. I hope you don't mind me putting a little vent here on your topic, because I may well stop watching soon, depending on what they do with Kuhu this week. They seem hell-bent on making every character evil just to drive home how great the leads are, and that makes the show very flat. One of the most important things about characterisation is to show that a character is a certain way or possesses certain flaws and strengths, rather than just saying it. With this show, I feel like I am told repeatedly how great Misthi and Abir are, but as the show progresses, I see less and less evidence of this. On the other hand, I am told that Kunal and Kuhu are selfish and semi-villanous but I find them infinitely more sympathetic because at the very least, their actions are consistent with their motivations.

I am well aware that I am in a miniscule minority (I may even be the only one), but I totally get Kuhu's frustration with Misthi -- especially because it echoes my own frustration with the way the character has been introduced vs. how it has unfolded. Being outwardly mean and aggressive (as Kuhu is) isn't the only way to hurt a person -- you can also hurt them deeply by dismissing their feelings and being patronising, which is how Mishti constantly gets under Kuhu's skin. She keeps making unilateral decisions for Kuhu and then throwing her "help" in Kuhu's face.

In truth, her decisions and "sacrifices" are mostly unhelpful or straight up harmful for Kuhu, and her barely-forming relationship with Kunal. When Kunal and Kuhu's friendship was in its infancy (and Kuhu was just starting to draw Kunal out), she begged Misthi not to out her to the family because she didn't know how Kunal felt about her yet (yet another example of a sorted, pragmatic Kuhu), but Misthi went ahead and told BP everything, he then proceeded to push Kuhu into a new rishta, which made the equation all or nothing for Kuhu and Kunal, and gave Meenu such a giant upper hand. Notice that in all of this so-called honesty, Mishti did not and to this date has not mentioned her own "friendship" with Abir.

And I think that is what motivated her great "sacrifice" at the haldi too. If Mishti was the girl the show keeps telling us she is, she would have told Kuhu what Meenu was up to and let her decide whether she wants to be a part of that family or not. At least tell the elders, if not Kuhu herself! But therein lies the rub: in order to tell anyone about Meenu's blackmail, she would have had to reveal her equation with Abir and shatter the image of perfection in BP and BM's eyes. She wasn't willing to do that, so she made it all about sacrificing for Kuhu's happiness. When Abir made it so that she could have both -- their relationship and control over her image -- she came back and acted like nothing out of the ordinary happened. She only felt accountable to BP, so why are we mad that BP is the only one who is supporting her now?

And I have similar feelings about Abir and Kunal. Abir tries to exercise rights over Kunal that I don't think he has actually earned. As Kunal told Meenu the day of the wedding, he always tried to be the son that bhai couldn't/wouldn't be. Abir enjoys his free-spirit lifestyle without really thinking about the consequences, i.e., that the entire burden of the household, and managing Meenu, falls on Kunal's shoulders. This is where Kuhu and Kunal have a lot in common -- the family takes their samajhdari for granted when convenient (like when nobody thought twice to crack the surface of Kuhu's reaction to the Kunal-Misthi rishta) but then wants to swoop in micromanage them (like when Abir wouldn't "let" Kunal talk to Shweta).

This is why, despite where they are now, I find Kuhu-Kunal's relationship much more convincing than Mishti-Abir's. There is a raw honesty there that makes for a very interesting foundation. Kuhu knows more about Kunal's heartbreak and his past with Shweta than anyone in his family. Kunal knows about Kuhu's fake relationship with Mishti, and he has seen and acknowledged how mature and "sorted" she can be. I don't see what Kuhu is doing with Kunal now as a lack of self-respect necessarily -- she is just buying time to understand exactly what the situation is. Plus, she is trying to say, those rituals meant something whether you like it or not. We are married, whether you like it or not so let's figure out a way to make this work and avoid hurting our families. I am sure that after some time, if she finds that he won't budge, she will leave but in her mind, it hasn't come to that yet.

This got very long because it has been pent up for a while, sorry if I've gone wildly off topic. 😛 I guess the point is, Kuhu is a great character and I think her anger towards Misthi is very plausible, given how the story has unfolded. It doesn't surprise me that she is doing well in her sasural because that's who she has always been -- people in her maika just had an image of her as spoilt, jhalli, and nadaan and they treated her accordingly (except for Varsha, bless her) instead of actually listening to her and recognising who she actually is. The writers have done a great job with her so far, but if they continue to make her greyer to make Mishti more sympathetic, then I'm out. Here's a novel idea: give Mishti a storyline in which she can be proactive instead of just reacting to what happens around her.

This post is something else...!

Some unanswered unmentioned points...loved reading this side ..

Mishbir will always be my fav for various reasons...but I always try to understand kuku too...it's not a competition between them..I watch the entire series and like to understand every character...