Why 1.6 trp - Page 10

Originally posted by: Salutethearmy

After reading all the responses, what we can infer is

Online ratings are hoax

Storylines with octane family drama, murder, thrillers, paranormal activity, spirits, reptiles, insects , members of terrestrial , aquatic animal kingdom, half mortal and human characters , historical and mythological plots which have multiple marriages, leaps thrown in between with lots of twists and turns work.

Basic plots fall flat. YRHPK , where does it stand ?

There is dire need to create chemistry between leads especially off screen to generate interest. Even onscreen chem is v imp.

Trps are end games. As per Gul khan iv a minimum of 1.6 is required for stability.

Reality shows, cricket, ipl, overdose of fiction cum non fictional content or in simple language a show should withstand competition from all areas.

If all of the above are met then it is survival of the fittest, otherwise no.

When BARC and TRAI are clearly talking abt TRP data manipulation, it makes no sense to say TRPs are endgame, does it?? Check out my prev comment on links FROM BARC website and TRAI talking abt manipulation of TV TRPs and lack of transparency in that data.

Now, if you guys still want to tell me this is fake news or conspiracy articles despite the fact that BARC and TRAI are saying it, I rest my case though.

and Again, let me reiterate, ONLINE TRPs, we do not know much abt at all- so we cannot say they are fake/ they are not fake. We just don't have a transparent enuff measuring scale for it yet. But we DO know BARC/ TRAI have clearly admitted TV TRP manipulation, cases have been filed by BARC- so choosing to believe still that TV TRPs are gospel truth is foolish, I wud say.

Basically TRP itself is not a good measure, that's all.

Originally posted by: JALK2000

When BARC an TRAI are clearly talking abt TRP data manipulation, it makes no sense to say TRPs are endgame, does it?? Check out my prev comment on links FROM BARC website and TRAI talking abt manipulation of TV TRPs and lack of transparency in that data.

Now, if you guys still want to tell me this is fake news or conspiracy articles despite the fact that BARC and TRAI are saying it, I rest my case though.

and Again, let me reiterate, ONLINE TRPs, we do not know much abt at all- so we cannot say they are fake/ they are not fake. We just don't have a transparent enuff measuring scale for it yet. But we DO know BARC/ TRAI have clearly admitted TV TRP manipulation, cases have been filed by BARC- so choosing to believe still that TV TRPs are gospel truth is foolish, I wud say.

Basically TRP itself is not a good measure, that's all.

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Can you mention as to where in that article are ‘Hindi TV serials’ are mentioned?! That article is about news channels. BTW this article is more than a year old now. 😝

Learn to accept with grace if you show is not getting numbers that you want it to.

The Bepannah fandom did the same thing.

The first week, the show was at No.5 and the fans were celebrating it. Over a few weeks, the show dropped badly and suddenly the fans doubt of TRP manipulation.

I wonder why they did not get this doubt when they were at No 5 during first week. Tab toh they were celebrating. When there TRPs dropped, blame game shuru, 😂🤣

Sour grapes syndrome.

Originally posted by: IshRaian

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Can you mention as to where in that article are ‘Hindi TV serials’ are mentioned?! That article is about news channels. BTW this article is more than a year old now. 😝

Very amusing no doubt. Let me address yr points properly:

1. Yes, it IS a year old. Which is why the disciplinary body was formed.
2. And Raj is NOT a news channel,
3. NOWHERE does the article mention NEWS channels either.
4. BARC has stated that TRPs are manipulated across the range, across channels and the claim is that channels are manipulating it.
5. Obviously, TRPs measured by BARC also encompass HIndi news/ show, regional channels et all.

So far u were asking for proof that TRPs are manipulated, when I gave it to you, you said conspiracy articles, now I am giving you link to BARC website and TRAI white paper,now u say it does not say HIndi serial. No it will obviously not, bcos TRPs are not measured just for hindi serials, are they??

If you are just out to convince ppl that online TRPs are trash and TV TRPs are fabulously accurate, well, I have just made it very crystal clear that you are wrong.

Originally posted by: IshRaian

Learn to accept with grace if you show is not getting numbers that you want it to.

The Bepannah fandom did the same thing.

The first week, the show was at No.5 and the fans were celebrating it. Over a few weeks, the show dropped badly and suddenly the fans doubt of TRP manipulation.

I wonder why they did not get this doubt when they were at No 5 during first week. Tab toh they were celebrating. When there TRPs dropped, blame game shuru, 😂🤣

Sour grapes syndrome.

I am not EVEN talking about a specific show here. and this exact same thing that 'TV TRPs are inaccurate' is what I was saying when my fav show YRHPK came top too. And from this partic comment, it is very clear what YOU are trying to do- simply try to convince that online TRP is FAKE . So, I suggest you give me links to sound articles just like I have done, from authentic sources, to prove your point.

Originally posted by: Salutethearmy

Trp raw data cannot be manipulated but the accuracy can be questioned.

Rains or construction work may disturb signals. Even if we mute or switch during ads ratings are effected. For accurate results TV sets have to be switched on by 9.55 pm and without any distraction a TV viewer can change around 10.35 pm. The impressions are in thousands so for a 2 trp approx 4.5 million house holds across India has to watch YRHPK. Figures vary

Please refer Bepannaah forum, plenty of discussions there.

The data derived is from SD cable TV owners and not HD or dth services like tata sky. Private and mnc cable TV providers are asking huge amount of money to reveal their list to BARC which is still under dispute.

IB ministry has tried to break this protocol regarding trps so a set top box is compulsory for all TV sets. This signal emitted from the box goes to a panel house which has a meter. IDK how it works, I think they have activated return path way system and if they haven't then trp depends on those 50000 odd meter boxes which are still considered as samples. I maybe wrong dth providers like sky have return path activated and these numbers go directly to gecs.

Off late since 2018 consumers have been sending emails to trai regarding trps.. Over and above Cable owners associations and dth end users never see eye to eye. To bring uniformity in trps, the government proposed pay for the channel you watch and if any household wants everything, spend more.

There is no uniformity here, forms are still in collection mode and every user goes on changing the list they want to see or no. for example my neighbour took star and slashed colors , next month she might take Sony only as she is fed with other Gecs

In this way the entire data is skewed. Star and Zee are the oldest amongst channels so many have opted for them. Colors have lowest package deals. Nothing is uniform.

the actual numbers can be manipulated by the officials who assimilate ratings.

We cannot blame one PH, others also can play dirty. It is very dicey.

YRKKH also had those set viewers, if the fall is steep then many aren't watching.

For this 10 pm slot BP is going to give tough competition., World cup is also going on.

Survival is difficult especially when a show has established stars and budgets are high.

Therefore 1.6 trp when the plot is weak is still good. Shaheer may be having lot of SP fans.

THis part you are partially right "I maybe wrong dth providers like sky have return path activated and these numbers go directly to gecs."- this system has not been implemented across India but it has been in action in a few areas. Once this comes into effect (if it does) across the nation, we will get accurate data, hopefully. Altho manual interference is still a factor that wud skew things.

Originally posted by: Salutethearmy

B ministry has tried to break this protocol regarding trps so a set top box is compulsory for all TV sets. This signal emitted from the box goes to a panel house which has a meter. IDK how it works, I think they have activated return path way system and if they haven't then trp depends on those 50000 odd meter boxes which are still considered as samples. I maybe wrong dth providers like sky have return path activated and these numbers go directly to gecs.

THis part you are partially right "I maybe wrong dth providers like sky have return path activated and these numbers go directly to gecs."- this system has not been implemented across India but it has been in action in a few areas. Once this comes into effect (if it does) across the nation, we will get accurate data, hopefully. Altho manual interference is still a factor that wud skew things.

Originally posted by: IshRaian

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Can you mention as to where in that article are ‘Hindi TV serials’ are mentioned?! That article is about news channels. BTW this article is more than a year old now. 😝

Here is a TRAI white paper from Feb 2019 for you. Not too old no??

https://www.ibfindia.com/sites/all/themes/ibfindia/pdf/IBF_response_to_TRAI_Consultation_paper_on_Audience_Measurement_15.02.2019.pdf

THis one talks about how TV TRP data is NOT REPRESENTATIVE at all of India's viewership.

Excerpt:

"Query 6:Can TV rating truly based on limited panel homes be termed as representative?

Response 6:It is understood that any sample based data will have some challenges in our diverse country of 1.35 billion people. As rightly pointed in the CP, smaller panel size results in limited data for analysis andtherefore is not truly representative of the overall universe and to that extent is not wholly accurate.Small sample size poses real difficulty in prediction/establishment of true measurement data, especially in our diverse country of 1.35 billion people. A larger panel size would certainly improve robustness and give more weightage/value to measurement rating, but has significant financial implications given the large population of our country. Overcoming these challenges requires identifying optimal technology(in terms of design and cost) based solutions which addresses all requirements."

RPD system will make this more accurate but it has NOT been rolled out yet, so we are stuck with this TV TRP system for now .

Basically all I want to say here is that bfr folks get het up abt low or high TV TRPs and start bemoaning the fate of shows based on that remember this:

# TV advertisers are not fools- they know TRP data is flawed.

# BARC board itself has advt representation

# BARC itself is not a very objective body (again,as TRAI states, not my personal opinion, you will find that in this link too)

Net result, TV TRPs are pretty much hogwash as of now. So dont take tension abt them. Enjoy your fav shows and stop worrying. The PHs will worry abt all these.

Originally posted by: JALK2000

Very amusing no doubt. Let me address yr points properly:

1. Yes, it IS a year old. Which is why the disciplinary body was formed.
2. And Raj is NOT a news channel,
3. NOWHERE does the article mention NEWS channels either.
4. BARC has stated that TRPs are manipulated across the range, across channels and the claim is that channels are manipulating it.
5. Obviously, TRPs measured by BARC also encompass HIndi news/ show, regional channels et all.

So far u were asking for proof that TRPs are manipulated, when I gave it to you, you said conspiracy articles, now I am giving you link to BARC website and TRAI white paper,now u say it does not say HIndi serial. No it will obviously not, bcos TRPs are not measured just for hindi serials, are they??

If you are just out to convince ppl that online TRPs are trash and TV TRPs are fabulously accurate, well, I have just made it very crystal clear that you are wrong.

First, who is Raj?!

Second,

Online TRPs are a sham without doubt and I never told anything about the accuracy of TV TRPs. All I said was the entire TV fraternity has agreed that BARC system is their rate measure and shows are axed if they get poor TRPs in BARC.

First point out as to where I told BARC TRPs are accurate! I only told that they are authentic.

P.S. I have other things to say which I’d do in separate comments so that you don’t miss out on my questions. Please answer all of them.

Originally posted by: IshRaian

First, who is Raj?!

Second,

Online TRPs are a sham without doubt and I never told anything about the accuracy of TV TRPs. All I said was the entire TV fraternity has agreed that BARC system is their rate measure and shows are axed if they get poor TRPs in BARC.

First point out as to where I told BARC TRPs are accurate! I only told that they are authentic.

P.S. I have other things to say which I’d do in separate comments so that you don’t miss out on my questions. Please answer all of them.

RAJ TV has had cases filed against them by BARC, they are NOT a news channel alone, so yr point that this is about news channel TRPs, is not right.

Again, I have given enuff authentic sources to show why I think TV TRPs are rot.

Now if you can give me similar authentic sources to back up yr sttmt "Online TRPs are a sham", it wud be good no?

and this :'First point out as to where I told BARC TRPs are accurate! I only told that they are authentic "

😃HAHA, no I won't waste time doing that bcos my whole point and goal of addressing yr comment was to make sure that the FACTUAL information is PRESENT in this thread. ANYONE who reads this thread will read this also and get a proper, accurate idea of TV as well as online TRPs, that is my goal and I have achieved it, I think, in spades!

So thank you for giving me a good reason to compile this and put it out. I was meaning to for so much time but never actually got around to doing it. Thx to you, I I did it today bcos of the boatloads of misinformation in this thread.