Destiny versus Karma - Page 2

I believe , it's never destiny vs karma..destiny and karma are two sides of the same coin. What we do to others is our karma and what comes to us is our destiny which is 100% dependent on our karma.

Yes I agree abhim is behaving well in kasauli. Good progress...the single thing I liked in him.post leap is that there is no jealousy from his side ..he respected the boundaries as akshu is now abhinavs wife (leaving out the temple confrontation , he went bonkers for sometime ) ..

Abhinav is mostly misunderstood..he is doing well and continues to do so.

It's not easy to decide for akshu as she is abhinavs wife..there is no ques of abhira now ..when abhinav exits we will see..

No idea what's going on with abhir as I'm not watching the epis , but I'm glad the writers r giving time to this track.

Trust me kids can be very irrational in yrkkh 😆 naksh naira kairav vansh ..each has their own share of stupidities , they all went crazy for sometime in jealousy insecurity and fear ...nairas track was really long though . It ended up in a leap where she ran away frm her house..

I think his words speak to how he views that day. In his eyes, his reaction was a part of the larger thing (losing Neil and the babies). He doesn't see them as separate. He recognizes that his reaction was wrong, and it led to all of this. But....he thinks of it as a reaction, not a choice that he actively made, which is why he is talking about it as destiny. Ak also talks about it as destiny - she said that their relationship was strong, but the currents were too much ( so she also thinks that if that one event didn't happen, they would have been happy together).

But.......Abhi not picking up Ak's calls, not looking for her, etc. - that is karma. That was an active choice that he made every day for seven months. That is also the part Ak is most upset about. I think Abhi still doesn't get where he went wrong in that part. So hopefully, we see some realization later on when Abhir questions him.

Originally posted by: Sonali1968

Abhir is behaving much more matured than his age. May be that is his personality. But the questions looks a bit weired - my bias mind probably. Even if Akshara chose Abhinava it should be herown choice and wish. Not to pay off. Even if he choose AbhiM it shouldbe her own wish. Not because Abhir wants to be with him. That is all. But why every time Nav gets stuck. He should plan his time management properly.

He has to get stuck because they way only writers can justify their purpose of having Abhimanyu in Kasauli. Giving his scenes with Akshara and Abhir at critical moments.,

Originally posted by: lagjagale

I think his words speak to how he views that day. In his eyes, his reaction was a part of the larger thing (losing Neil and the babies). He doesn't see them as separate. He recognizes that his reaction was wrong, and it led to all of this. But....he thinks of it as a reaction, not a choice that he actively made, which is why he is talking about it as destiny. Ak also talks about it as destiny - she said that their relationship was strong, but the currents were too much ( so she also thinks that if that one event didn't happen, they would have been happy together).

But.......Abhi not picking up Ak's calls, not looking for her, etc. - that is karma. That was an active choice that he made every day for seven months. That is also the part Ak is most upset about. I think Abhi still doesn't get where he went wrong in that part. So hopefully, we see some realization later on when Abhir questions him.

I think AbhiM realises where he went wrong but he also feels that he was overwhelmed by the circumstances (which I don’t think Ak understands yet).

Originally posted by: lagjagale

I think his words speak to how he views that day. In his eyes, his reaction was a part of the larger thing (losing Neil and the babies). He doesn't see them as separate. He recognizes that his reaction was wrong, and it led to all of this. But....he thinks of it as a reaction, not a choice that he actively made, which is why he is talking about it as destiny. Ak also talks about it as destiny - she said that their relationship was strong, but the currents were too much ( so she also thinks that if that one event didn't happen, they would have been happy together).

But.......Abhi not picking up Ak's calls, not looking for her, etc. - that is karma. That was an active choice that he made every day for seven months. That is also the part Ak is most upset about. I think Abhi still doesn't get where he went wrong in that part. So hopefully, we see some realization later on when Abhir questions him.

You said it so beautifully. 👏🏽

Yes, completely agree. I am not that mad at AbhiM for what he did on white day as if I put my shoes in his character I get him. But what he did for next 6 years including those crucial 7 months, was a choice from my POV too. BP, Shefali had told him so many times to rethink about the decision that he has made.. But he did not.

He did not move on from AK but also did nothing to get her back. After 6 years, suddenly when he saw AK happily living with someone else, he felt that this is life he is wanting to live and hence asked AK to comeback into his life.

I think @NomadicWonders put it well that he was in conflict for those six years. That is something they need to explore more. We don't even see him emerging from that until Ak's Udaipur trip. In Kasauli he does feel like this is the life he wanted and he lost it. But in Udaipur he realizes for the first time that the inner conflict he has had was pointless cause Ak will always be his sun.

The inner conflict is that Ak who he loves and wants to spend his life with, is bad for his family. I don't think he still over that, so he does keep supporting Manjari. He thinks Ak destroyed his family. But he loves her despite this, and if he had the option to he would leave his family and join Ak. That is the conflict.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

I think @NomadicWonders put it well that he was in conflict for those six years. That is something they need to explore more. We don't even see him emerging from that until Ak's Udaipur trip. In Kasauli he does feel like this is the life he wanted and he lost it. But in Udaipur he realizes for the first time that the inner conflict he has had was pointless cause Ak will always be his sun.

The inner conflict is that Ak who he loves and wants to spend his life with, is bad for his family. I don't think he still over that, so he does keep supporting Manjari. He thinks Ak destroyed his family. But he loves her despite this, and if he had the option to he would leave his family and join Ak. That is the conflict.

He needs to cut of his family. That's what is required and also to come out of his mom's manipulation.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

I think @NomadicWonders put it well that he was in conflict for those six years. That is something they need to explore more. We don't even see him emerging from that until Ak's Udaipur trip. In Kasauli he does feel like this is the life he wanted and he lost it. But in Udaipur he realizes for the first time that the inner conflict he has had was pointless cause Ak will always be his sun.

The inner conflict is that Ak who he loves and wants to spend his life with, is bad for his family. I don't think he still over that, so he does keep supporting Manjari. He thinks Ak destroyed his family. But he loves her despite this, and if he had the option to he would leave his family and join Ak. That is the conflict.

Great POV.. Had a glimps of this thought but not as clearly as you...👍🏻

Few genuine questions:

1.He always wanted AK to prioritize him/ his love over her family. Then did he prioritize his family over AK, by doing what he did?

2. Till now, I havn't got his POV why he suddenly proposed AK in the temple? If he is in conflict, the situation was no different then was for 6 years. If AK had agreed, he would have gone against Manjiri or would have asked AK to give in? When he propsed AK, he asked only AK to come to him. Even Abhir's presence was not on his mind. He never said tum apane bachhe ke sath mere pas vapas aa jao..

If you have any thoughts, do share.. 🙂

After he signed the divorce papers, he thought Akshara went to GV. But when he realized that she is missing, he went to Goenka's to know about her.

It was only after Manish told him that she doesn't want to return is when he stopped thinking about her.

it was the same with Akshara as well, she heard Manish saying that Abhi doesn't care for her anymore is when she decided not to go back.

Originally posted by: MyThoughts

Great POV.. Had a glimps of this thought but not as clearly as you...👍🏻

Few genuine questions:

1.He always wanted AK to prioritize him/ his love over her family. Then did he prioritize his family over AK, by doing what he did?

2. Till now, I havn't got his POV why he suddenly proposed AK in the temple? If he is in conflict, the situation was no different then was for 6 years. If AK had agreed, he would have gone against Manjiri or would have asked AK to give in? When he propsed AK, he asked only AK to come to him. Even Abhir's presence was not on his mind. He never said tum apane bachhe ke sath mere pas vapas aa jao..

If you have any thoughts, do share.. 🙂

1. In both instances, during the first and second leaps, he prioritized his family over Ak. But..... it's not the same as Ak prioritizing her family. Ak never thought Abhi was bad for her family or anything like that; it was simply a matter of priority. Abhi, however, always felt like Ak was some supernatural force that is destroying his family without meaning to. More importantly, he himself felt guilty for loving Ak and wanting to be with her. On the white day, he felt like his love for Ak and his zidd to have her in his life had caused that catastrophe. He blamed her but he also blamed himself. Which is why he could never go to see Ak too. He blamed himself for wanting to be with her.

2. I think they did a bad job of that. Abhi was stuck in a bad place mentally, trying to overcome the guilt of his brother's death which is associated with loving Ak. When he saw Ak's family and everything and when she came to Udaipur, it was like he slowly came out of that cycle. He realized he still loves her despite trying not to for six years. He also realized that he had been lying to himself ( he said were the past six years a lie ). So he went to confront Ak and get her perspective but then got into an accident and saw Ak running towards him.

The temple confrontation happened under a lot of drugs and stuff. But at that point, I don't think he was thinking that far ahead. In his view, he loved Ak, and that should fix everything. He has always believed love to be all overcoming - but then Ak brought him back to reality, and her experience of the six years and white day were completely different. I don't think he ever considered her perspective. Like he was punishing himself for six years, he thought she was too. He didn't realize that he had pronounced that punishment and left her alone. So yeah, he didn't think of anything or anyone at that point. Even now, he is not thinking of the future clearly or even has a plan. He wants Abhir, but does that mean taking him from his family? He knows Arohi won't accept Abhir completely, so what's his plan for that?