Birlas shouldn't be on YRKKH - Page 3

Originally posted by: Kabhi18

Personally I don't agree with the Goenkas being charismatic. Maybe I would have agreed when that season initially aired, but rewatching the show years later made me realize how messed up the Goenkas were too. Neither do I agree that their patriarchal mindset is an almost justification for how shitty they were. Being married into that household in reality would be a nightmare.

Albeit however their intentions were, but hiding the accident was absolutely disgusting and Naira finding out about it AFTER her marriage. Talk about betrayal. And then she actually forgave it smh. And Karthik getting angry at HER because he said you didn't trust me. Wth was that? The dude made it a mission to turn a situation around and make it about himself. Karthik started off as a great character but after his marriage he became something else. Another typical ML trend in ITV.

I don't think that's quite true about Kartik. He was just disappointed that Naira would think the worse of him -- that HE would actually hide a truth as big as that from her and that she would not even give him a single chance to explain despite how often and how long he begged -- let's not forget that's exactly what happened when he was blamed for akshara's death. I think this was the time when he didn't associate himself with his own family and for him Singhanias were the only family he called his own. So these two occasions, time and again, pushed him out of that fold and he felt far too alienated. Again, justification? Not really. Just allows you a window into a character. Perhaps you see him in a different way which is fine. Also, I don't hold the same opinion as you regarding Kartik being butchered. I think he was an amazing husband up until a certain point in the show. He and Naira both had their set of flaws. I think I found him unreasonable at times but never a bad husband up until the first separation. Even then he wasn't butchered. That came later imo.

But to each his own.

Originally posted by: Krinya

I completely agree...that one track was one of the best executed ones in s2 ..kartik had to choose between nairas life and kirtis grief and he chose former..just as akshu had to choose between separation and abhimanyus hand...but here the execution was bakwas.

That's what.. All the mus and fights then where properly executed and understandable ( not justifiable or right) given the situations and character personalities..except the Goa track ofc.. But here nothing makes sense, nor to the characters hold interest.

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

I guess Goenkas were a framed in such a way you could sympathize with them. Initially Akshara's death's trauma was revealed through mansi's trauma and so you already sympathized with her and a father trying his best to keep his daughter out of jail (to an extent his motivations made sense to you). So did Kdadi and the rest of the Goenkas who were introduced as aristocratic patriarchal people to whom hierarchy, prestige, and structures meant everything. So the framing made sense. I guess, personal opinion, but the Goenkas were charismatic. The Birlas are not. Their motivations make no sense. They did initially. I actually thought they were the most complex family of the rishta franchise, even if a little dull and sterile, up until a point but post abhira's marriage they really flattened all of them, took away their personalities and motivations and now each day they really act as plot devices nothing else. Mahima who was so clinical, shrewd, and practical is now a screaming banshee. All she does is 'akshara akshara akshara'

Neel, Parth, and Shifali have zero personality left. Especially parth, what a disappointment. Mommy birla and papa birla skipped so many steps idek what happened there? so all he needed was manjiri to ignore him and he'd chase after her or something? idk they ruined the slow progression these two needed. Mommy birla and papa birla are probably the only interesting people left in the birla family. But to me personally they don't come anywhere near to the charismatic power both Manish and Suhasini Goenka held in their time. Those two were powerful, morally ambiguous characters who I enjoyed watching! They were never your typical ITV villains. Papa Birla could've been as good but idk what happened there and Mahima's definitely no Suhasini Goenka, probably the most powerful matriarch of the rishta franchise. All in all the word I would chose is tepid. Birlas aren't half as colorful or strongly characterized as the previous families.

Yes the Birlas did start of being a different kind of family from what went before in yrkkh.. Not the regular upper-class, traditional and conservative type. And I found them interesting too in the first few episodes and was looking forward to see how the dynamics between the members which were obviously so problematic were going to pan out.. But really I don't know why the makers have messed it up so badly. It's sad.

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

Your opinion's fair. Like I said, this is a subjective take. To me charisma has nothing to do with being good or bad. Donald Trump is a very charismatic man to his target audience. I can never understand the appeal. And so and so forth. Goenkas were very problematic, sure. Also, I don't think their patriarchal mindset justified their actions. I never said that. It just allowed you to see the logic behind them. Their motivations were always clear and their characters consistent with those motivations. You could see the arc of them overall coming out of that deeply held mindset over the course of the story.

I don't think that's quite true about Kartik. He was just disappointed that Naira would think the worse of him -- that HE would actually hide a truth as big as that from her and that she would not even give him a single chance to explain despite how often and how long he begged -- let's not forget that's exactly what happened when he was blamed for akshara's death. I think this was the time when he didn't associate himself with his own family and for him Singhanias were the only family he called his own. So these two occasions, time and again, pushed him out of that fold and he felt far too alienated. Again, justification? Not really. Just allows you a window into a character. Perhaps you see him in a different way which is fine. Also, I don't hold the same opinion as you regarding Kartik being butchered. I think he was an amazing husband up until a certain point in the show. He and Naira both had their set of flaws. I think I found him unreasonable at times but never a bad husband up until the first separation. Even then he wasn't butchered. That came later imo.

But to each his own.

Unpopular opinion.. Actually I never did feel that Kartik's character was butchered in the overarching narrative of the show. Just as you say the character traits of all main players were kept consistent and we're given an anchoring motivation from which the audience could see why and how they behave in various situations.. So was Kartik's character kept very consistent.. His distancing himself from his parents..never the whole family as he was very close to his chachu and chachi and even more Dadi.. was because of the misconception he had regarding them. When that was removed it was only natural and expected that he would embrace them with eagerness, as he was a very loving and family-oriented kind of person. We see him that way when he was living with the Maheshwaries and also how he bonded with Singhanias and made himself a part of that big happy family.. So that need in him was always there. And when he finally got together with his real blood family then he was particular about keeping relations happy especially with the guilt of having misunderstood them before. That was the main reason he couldn't free himself from Suvarna's neurotic dependency on him after Shubham's death. They showed him being hateful towards Naira and the usual angry husband at times to bring in the mahan suffering heroine flavor, but still took care to redeem him later and get him back into his usual soft personality..

It is generally seen that the highlight of Kartik's character was his extraordinary love for Naira but for me, it was his deep-seated humanity. He cared for every single person who came into contact with him..and that was never clouded or pushed aside because of his love for Naira.. And after her death it was what kept him going and even enabled him to love again. For me the much maligned Sirat track was not at all a butchering of his character but a celebration of his huge capacity to love and nurture.

I wish Surekha returns to Yrkkh. She may be able to help Akshu. She also never liked Sirat. So Aarohi can't use her against Akshu. Other than Surekha, they really need to bring back Krishna. Akshu will need her elder sister with her. The one who genuinely loves and care for her. Unlike Jharu. Maybe she can show Jharu her place

Originally posted by: austen-eliot

Unpopular opinion.. Actually I never did feel that Kartik's character was butchered in the overarching narrative of the show. Just as you say the character traits of all main players were kept consistent and we're given an anchoring motivation from which the audience could see why and how they behave in various situations.. So was Kartik's character kept very consistent.. His distancing himself from his parents..never the whole family as he was very close to his chachu and chachi and even more Dadi.. was because of the misconception he had regarding them. When that was removed it was only natural and expected that he would embrace them with eagerness, as he was a very loving and family-oriented kind of person. We see him that way when he was living with the Maheshwaries and also how he bonded with Singhanias and made himself a part of that big happy family.. So that need in him was always there. And when he finally got together with his real blood family then he was particular about keeping relations happy especially with the guilt of having misunderstood them before. That was the main reason he couldn't free himself from Suvarna's neurotic dependency on him after Shubham's death. They showed him being hateful towards Naira and the usual angry husband at times to bring in the mahan suffering heroine flavor, but still took care to redeem him later and get him back into his usual soft personality..

It is generally seen that the highlight of Kartik's character was his extraordinary love for Naira but for me, it was his deep-seated humanity. He cared for every single person who came into contact with him..and that was never clouded or pushed aside because of his love for Naira.. And after her death it was what kept him going and even enabled him to love again. For me the much maligned Sirat track was not at all a butchering of his character but a celebration of his huge capacity to love and nurture.

And I love the point you make because I honestly don't think he was 'butchered' either. I would say that he was unbearable in the Mannu track. And that wasn't just because of his treatment of Naira over something so out of her control. His reaction was disproportionately out of character. But he was also very rude to Krishna and I could've never imagined Kartik ever saying or doing the things they made him do in that track. There's a point of no return beyond which the character stops inhabiting the very essence that makes him who he is for you. That track was a desperate trp grab, more so than any other in the show's history.

As far as Sirat's track is considered. I do think that it was a very badly written track and I just couldn't buy him falling in love with her. A year into Naira's demise, at that. But I didn't think it butchered him either. It often annoys me how people reduce his identity to being Naira's lover. Kartik was many things. He was an exemplary and strong human being who weathered some of the worst storms of his life and still held onto the warmth and openness that allowed him to embrace people and be vulnerable. I also don't think marrying Sirat or loving her in anyway cancelled his love for Naira. He loved Naira with his entire soul and I don't think it was possible for him to love anyone the way he loved her. Just because he didn't talk of her to Sirat didn't mean he didn't carry Naira in his heart. It was evident that Naira's death had changed him and that there was a gaping hole left nothing else could fill. But there's nothing wrong with how he led his life post Naira's death. His was a very small, very tragic life but he found a way to make it joyful and profound.

Ah my kittu😒

Originally posted by: austen-eliot

Unpopular opinion.. Actually I never did feel that Kartik's character was butchered in the overarching narrative of the show. Just as you say the character traits of all main players were kept consistent and we're given an anchoring motivation from which the audience could see why and how they behave in various situations.. So was Kartik's character kept very consistent.. His distancing himself from his parents..never the whole family as he was very close to his chachu and chachi and even more Dadi.. was because of the misconception he had regarding them. When that was removed it was only natural and expected that he would embrace them with eagerness, as he was a very loving and family-oriented kind of person. We see him that way when he was living with the Maheshwaries and also how he bonded with Singhanias and made himself a part of that big happy family.. So that need in him was always there. And when he finally got together with his real blood family then he was particular about keeping relations happy especially with the guilt of having misunderstood them before. That was the main reason he couldn't free himself from Suvarna's neurotic dependency on him after Shubham's death. They showed him being hateful towards Naira and the usual angry husband at times to bring in the mahan suffering heroine flavor, but still took care to redeem him later and get him back into his usual soft personality..

It is generally seen that the highlight of Kartik's character was his extraordinary love for Naira but for me, it was his deep-seated humanity. He cared for every single person who came into contact with him..and that was never clouded or pushed aside because of his love for Naira.. And after her death it was what kept him going and even enabled him to love again. For me the much maligned Sirat track was not at all a butchering of his character but a celebration of his huge capacity to love and nurture.

@bold From my perspective Kartik's character was being experimented with the most. Kartik who fought with KDadi, defended Naira even after knowing she had an abortion before marriage (though she hadn't her friend just wrote her name on abortion papers) same character got insecure of her success questioned Naira's character during Mihir's track. Kartik the nayi soch character would never do that. Kartik's anger also clouded his judgement several times but its a human characteristic. He was also easily manipulated by Suwarna and KDadi which was also human characteristic. Him blaming Naira because of Manish's state wasn't justifiable & Naksh kept apt condition infront of him to bring back their mother Akshara (S1). Kartik wasn't butchered during Sirat's track as it was a good message not to live an unhappy life after death of your husband/wife, but moving on was fast paced (my POV) considering their epic love story seeing Kartik not moving on in 5 years during Naira's fake death track but he moved on within short duration of her actual death. What to say about Naira? From being fighter from the beginning to finding solution in running away. Her instinct to fight back & her flaw to run away couldn't change. Till brain clot track Kaira's LS & Kartik and Naira's individual journey & journey as a couple is a must watch. Kaira worked as a team in so many instances.

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

Ah, this is such a precious comment. I'd roll this one like a cinnamon roll and frame it somewhere in my heart if I could.😆 I have a very strong bias for Kartik so I recognize that anything I say about him won't be completely objective or devoid of the filters through which I see him. Which is why I try and look at the majority view regarding him and tell myself that's an equally legitimate point of view. If a great number of people think he was butchered at an xyz point maybe he was because their collective definition of what 'butchered' means is different to that of my own and that's fine. TV show experiences are different.

And I love the point you make because I honestly don't think he was 'butchered' either. I would say that he was unbearable in the Mannu track. And that wasn't just because of his treatment of Naira over something so out of her control. His reaction was disproportionately out of character. But he was also very rude to Krishna and I could've never imagined Kartik ever saying or doing the things they made him do in that track. There's a point of no return beyond which the character stops inhabiting the very essence that makes him who he is for you. That track was a desperate trp grab, more so than any other in the show's history.

As far as Sirat's track is considered. I do think that it was a very badly written track and I just couldn't buy him falling in love with her. A year into Naira's demise, at that. But I didn't think it butchered him either. It often annoys me how people reduce his identity to being Naira's lover. Kartik was many things. He was an exemplary and strong human being who weathered some of the worst storms of his life and still held onto the warmth and openness that allowed him to embrace people and be vulnerable. I also don't think marrying Sirat or loving her in anyway cancelled his love for Naira. He loved Naira with his entire soul and I don't think it was possible for him to love anyone the way he loved her. Just because he didn't talk of her to Sirat didn't mean he didn't carry Naira in his heart. It was evident that Naira's death had changed him and that there was a gaping hole left nothing else could fill. But there's nothing wrong with how he led his life post Naira's death. His was a very small, very tragic life but he found a way to make it joyful and profound.

Ah my kittu😒

🤗

Oh I want to embrace you like a long - lost sister! Across the length and breadth of the kaira fandom, I finally have found someone who feels about Kartik like I do.. 😆"It often annoys me how people reduce his identity to being Naira's lover. Kartik was many things. He was an exemplary and strong human being who weathered some of the worst storms of his life and still held onto the warmth and openness that allowed him to embrace people and be vulnerable."

This is such a perfect summarization of his character.

Yes the Mannu track showed him in as bad a light as also in the best..as a caring son. His rudeness to Krishna was especially very uncharacteristic and his forgetting of how Naira too had lost her mother.. As you say it was a desperate trp grab.. But since we had seen who Kartik was for so many years, I could recognise that track for what it was and kind of wipe it out of the overall picture of Kartik.

As for the Sirat track, yes it was badly executed but still shivin's, especially MK's performances carried it through, and though it was projected as him getting attached to another woman within two years which was indigestible for most viewers, the way it was shown to develop and even the cause for it's occurrence was understandable and in keeping with Kartik's character. He would never have looked at another woman if it hadn't been for the kind of circumstances that led to his meeting Sirat, and being forced to interact with her. And his compassion and gratitude that led to the first steps of friendship, and through helping another suffering human being learning to live and love again..that I found to be very poignant and so much like dear kittu.

I think the makers might have started off to develop a slow story from this premise, but bcz of various pressures rushed it and brought in the new gen. Otherwise with better execution it would have been a beautiful story.

Your writing is so eloquent and beautiful.❤️

Oh I loved kartik through and through..vaise kaira were over for me after their divorce 😆So I didn't see much of him but I abs agree with you all ..very apt description of kartik...

Originally posted by: PrplPhoenix

I wish Surekha returns to Yrkkh. She may be able to help Akshu. She also never liked Sirat. So Aarohi can't use her against Akshu. Other than Surekha, they really need to bring back Krishna. Akshu will need her elder sister with her. The one who genuinely loves and care for her. Unlike Jharu. Maybe she can show Jharu her place

Arohi do care for her siblings but she is selfish 😒