What Kartik Couldn’t do, Abhimanyu Did - Page 3

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

Personally, I think even if we HAD the entire six year picture it'll still be impossible to compare Kartik and Abhimanyu because of how different Naira and Akshara are. Naira never needed any defending. She didn't need soft handling. In fact the first 300-400 episodes of Kaira Naira was the one with the anger and impulse issues. Kartik was the cool-head in their relationship and Naira misunderstood him and went against him quite a few times during that entire period. He was still very soft. Right up to their first separation, even the joru ka ghulam track Kartik was extremely sorted and most tracks had both characters having a valid point of view.

Then there's the fact that Kartik was also like 23-24 when he entered the show whereas Abhimanyu started the show as a mature, senior 29? year old surgeon. So there's the age part. But Abhimanyu does gaslight Akshu a lot and downplays her ability to judge things in front of the entire family which can be patronizing and suffocating all on its own.

Again I fully accept the fact that I have a strong bias for Kartik and that colors my opinion 😆 but I prefer him over Abhimanyu because of how consistently written and well played he was by Mohsin. And I have to agree. I didn't even watch yeh rishta for a long time because I didn't care for the leads but the moment I did Kaira sucked me in. Mohsin improved leaps and bounds. His performance in the last 2-3 years of Kaira was >>> He really honed his craft. Shivangi was phenomenal as Naira from the get go. And Naira was such a rare well-written character for an ITV show. She could be mahaan one second and a total idiot the next. I kind of loved that about her.😆

I've loved HC from kis desh days and the only reason I returned to yrkkh was to watch him and what khichdi they've made of abhira's story.

I love your point of view and how you discussed it! Totally agree that the prominent differences between male leads (the ones I mentioned) are reflective of the different dynamics Kaira and Abhira shared.

Abhimanyu’s emotional manipulation of Akshu (the way he coerced her into confessing her love) and his over-protective nature is the reason why he isn’t my favourite Harshad character.

Now that’s not to say Kartik was perfect cause he often rushed to judgements and invalidated Naira’s feelings (e.g., Naira’s pregnancy).

I love Mohsin’s growth as an actor over the show. When I saw his debut show, I couldn’t see him performing anger and angst as well as he did in the separation track and Naira’s death track. Part of that, as you said, is the age difference. We grew with Kartik whereas Abhimanyu is older and so, those shades (and Harshad’s acting) are more set into stone - we know what to expect given his age and prior (phenomenal) performances.

Harshad is the reason why I gave season 3 a strong shot - I knew he’d chose a character that’s multilayered after his gap. The initial promos had people comparing Abhimanyu and Aditya but I knew that couldn’t be such a strong similarity otherwise Harshad wouldn’t play him. So I was really interested to see what new shades we would see of Harshad’s in this character!

Originally posted by: Baarish_Sim

I love your point of view and how you discussed it! Totally agree that the prominent differences between male leads (the ones I mentioned) are reflective of the different dynamics Kaira and Abhira shared.

Abhimanyu’s emotional manipulation of Akshu (the way he coerced her into confessing her love) and his over-protective nature is the reason why he isn’t my favourite Harshad character.

Now that’s not to say Kartik was perfect cause he often rushed to judgements and invalidated Naira’s feelings (e.g., Naira’s pregnancy).

I love Mohsin’s growth as an actor over the show. When I saw his debut show, I couldn’t see him performing anger and angst as well as he did in the separation track and Naira’s death track. Part of that, as you said, is the age difference. We grew with Kartik whereas Abhimanyu is older and so, those shades (and Harshad’s acting) are more set into stone - we know what to expect given his age and prior (phenomenal) performances.

Harshad is the reason why I gave season 3 a strong shot - I knew he’d chose a character that’s multilayered after his gap. The initial promos had people comparing Abhimanyu and Aditya but I knew that couldn’t be such a strong similarity otherwise Harshad wouldn’t play him. So I was really interested to see what new shades we would see of Harshad’s in this character!

Mohsin's growth in yrkkh itself is so visible. The initial track where he was falsely accused of killing Akshara and the later tracks -- his daughter's death, five year leap breakdowns, Naira's accident/death -- are worlds apart in terms of performance. It was the acting that carried those last few years. And the fact that we'd already grown so damn attached to these characters.

Ah Aditya! HC was phenomenal as Aditya. He was smooth and confident and I guess Aditya as a character was just so so well-written and consistent. His fears, motivations, defense mechanisms, literally everything about him made so much sense. And compared to Abhimanyu Aditya was more like Kartik in the sense that he was a soft jolly prankster initially and none of that felt out of place. So it's not like HC doesn't have range. The writing is just THAT bad. 😔

Also I wonder if I come across as a Kartik apologist which (maybe sometimes?😒) I'm not trying to be at least currently.😆 Comparisons or not to me the fact is that Kartik was responsible for the mumbai 1.0 separation because it was his house, his mother barred Naira from coming back. He should've taken a stand for his wife and brought her back. Tho he did apologize but apologies in YR are a joke so in a nutshell I'll stick to my 16 - upto clot track era kittu 😆

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

I think my biggest problem with Abhira is that I'm just unable to buy their love story. Abhimanyu began as this anti-social reserved, angry troubled man who was extremely jaded about marriage and love. That lasted two days and he was head over heels unquestionably in love with a girl he'd just met and wanted to marry. The transition was so abrupt and a little hard to believe. But HC did do a good job. Akshara didn't even get that little introspection time period. One second she didn't like him, the next she did, and the next she was 'madly' in love. I think it was always that 'soo madly in love' that didn't allow me to buy into their love story and made me a little mad. Like had they actually gone with Arohi Abhimanyu ka rishta and the two or one realizing during that entire knowing each other process how deep these feelings went I could've bought into it better. But even then it wasn't half as consistent as it was post the confession? This was the kaira era no matter what anyone says. The writing team tried every possible method to fit them into the same easy camaraderie mold Kaira had. Except Kaira been best friends for a long time before Naira confessed and Naira was bold and brashy as hell and that just rolled over into their romantic dynamic as well. With abhira the ott sunny dispositions, joking, honestly nothing made sense. Their conflicts/Abhimanyu's intensity all vacuumed out of the room. They honestly had a good chance to capture them in a new dynamic post marriage and I'd never understand why they blew that up? Like what on earth even happened in the post marriage track?😆 Maybe Utkarsh will salvage this. I still think the entire udaipur + first tilak drama was the best >> Let's see how they shape the entire thing with 'abhira 2.0'

Mohsin's growth in yrkkh itself is so visible. The initial track where he was falsely accused of killing Akshara and the later tracks -- his daughter's death, five year leap breakdowns, Naira's accident/death -- are worlds apart in terms of performance. It was the acting that carried those last few years. And the fact that we'd already grown so damn attached to these characters.

Ah Aditya! HC was phenomenal as Aditya. He was smooth and confident and I guess Aditya as a character was just so so well-written and consistent. His fears, motivations, defense mechanisms, literally everything about him made so much sense. And compared to Abhimanyu Aditya was more like Kartik in the sense that he was a soft jolly prankster initially and none of that felt out of place. So it's not like HC doesn't have range. The writing is just THAT bad. 😔

omg, the performance Shivin gave when they found out their daughter was alive was out of this world - my heart cried with them. I was hoping they'd finish that track with finding their daughter and seeing how beautiful that reunion would be. I know everyone, including myself, speculated that Krishna was their Kaira but she went missing post the second mumbai track and it made me so sad.

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

I really am wondering what goes through their head?😆Yeh log itne tarse huye the 5 saal ke now they leave no chance to have their ML strip off his shirt and for what? They killed the gravity of the situation by showing him in some random wood cutting scene? I MEAN WHY?🤣 I really really tried to find the symbolism and depth there but it was beyond me! Waise hi the basis of this separation is so shallow you cannot even think about it because the moment you try it falls apart so you just have to suspend your disbelief another degree and roll with it.

I cannot believe this is yeh rishta😆 Well actually I can if I look at the graph of the show in the last 2-3 years.

Seriously I don't see why the leap was so badly needed . They are steady , not going up but not going down either . Just keep experimenting with the trCks till something works and give them a boost. I don't think this leap will be a booster ..I haven't come to the leap part..hotstar unlocks the epi after 3 days and I wish it was 7-8 days , I couldn't care less .

I watch it, but it's bec I have nothing else to do.. or may be I do it just to be a part of the discussion forum 😆 I am not over here yet. But it's not like I look forward to it..ekdum hi dull and bore qism ki story hai where nobody Is ever happy .

What was akshus surprise bday thing ? They cut the cake , danced , akshu gor kheras call and that's it. Poor kairav had to run for his life , I felt really bad for him that's about it with 2-3 weeks track . Anishas death was more about birlas and goenkas fighting line dogs. Everyone was like "thank God. Good riddance " . Dr kheras condition doesn't make any sense 😕 ainvayi everyone is crying when akshu just had to tell everything to abhimanyu . His trauma and grief, I couldn't connect with it ever. In every track he repeats "shadi pyar sab bakwas" , and in the end he gets akshu and they start the cycle again.

Well for me What S1 and 2 writers did, S3 ones could not stand a chance.

The S2 Mumbai track has no relevance to what is shown currently.

Shubham was a drug addict whereas Anisha clearly spelt doom for Kairav. Abhimanyu knew his sister and did not do tandav when Mahima cried foul. Both Manjiri and Abhimanyu did not take any sides because the daughter of the house rebelled and her own loved ones hardly kept in touch. In short whatever tamasha took place is because someone had to be blamed. The entire scenario looked forced.

Abetment to suicide is very difficult to prove in India. There is a famous Bollywood case where the mother is fighting from London and the courts haven't moved an inch.

Goenka's could have easily proved Anisha's true intentions.

This is where the makers falter.

Five years ago Manish and AG were powerful, rich to pull strings from all corners.

Today the same characters are shown helpless.

Manish Goenka agreeing for Abhira ki shaadi is one such instance.

Not able to help Kairav or expose Anisha is another one.

Abhimanyu simply did what he usually does, the Girija moment. Whenever Akshu trips, the guy catches her hand.

The track could have got trps with proper exposure of the culprits along with a MU leading to separation.

Therefore the leap wasn't really reqd and neither do the two scenarios match.

Originally posted by: Baarish_Sim

Abhimanyu lost his sister and yet he held on to Akshu’s hand. He was angry, frustrated, and broken but that didn’t stop him from protecting his wife’s respect when she needed his support most. https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChUXxAeqhOF/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

When a similar track happened in season 2, Kartik didn’t stop himself or his family when Swarna did the same to Naira. He didn’t help Naira when Suhasini dragged her outside and shut the door.

Not saying ones better than the other but when I saw that scene, I couldn’t help but draw that comparison.

Akshu you are such a strong character. You don’t scream or scheme or break things - you’re clear and honest, and that’s enough to shut people up. That’s one of the things you and Abhi connect on the most - your clarity.

Most of the times, the mistakes are Naira's. So the situation was like that. When Shubham died, it was Naira's mistake as well by hiding everything. When Kartik just asked her about the affair, instead of saying a no at first place... She started speaking unimportant dialogues and then she herself runs away. Then madam did her own accident (despite being pregnant) so that Kartik assumes that she is dead and don't come near her children. It is the reason why Kartik is liked more than Naira. Kartik is a decent lead.

People who say the comparisons aren't justified, it's the same show isn't it? The same writers? Why exactly can't you compare between characters? 😂 Yes the scenarios are different, but comparisons can be made between virtually anything, 'justified' or not. That too when it's the same damn show. 😂

Originally posted by: Salutethearmy

Well for me What S1 and 2 writers did, S3 ones could not stand a chance.

The S2 Mumbai track has no relevance to what is shown currently.

Shubham was a drug addict whereas Anisha clearly spelt doom for Kairav. Abhimanyu knew his sister and did not do tandav when Mahima cried foul. Both Manjiri and Abhimanyu did not take any sides because the daughter of the house rebelled and her own loved ones hardly kept in touch. In short whatever tamasha took place is because someone had to be blamed. The entire scenario looked forced.

Abetment to suicide is very difficult to prove in India. There is a famous Bollywood case where the mother is fighting from London and the courts haven't moved an inch.

Goenka's could have easily proved Anisha's true intentions.

This is where the makers falter.

Five years ago Manish and AG were powerful, rich to pull strings from all corners.

Today the same characters are shown helpless.

Manish Goenka agreeing for Abhira ki shaadi is one such instance.

Not able to help Kairav or expose Anisha is another one.

Abhimanyu simply did what he usually does, the Girija moment. Whenever Akshu trips, the guy catches her hand.

The track could have got trps with proper exposure of the culprits along with a MU leading to separation.

Therefore the leap wasn't really reqd and neither do the two scenarios match.

Originally posted by: Heere_Ve

I read on twitter that the show got some warning [all star plus shows] and they had took this leap to boost the rating? Is that true

Yes all shows have been issued notices, not sure about Anupama.