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Posted: 14 years ago
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1. there's a difference between self-respect and ego.. what is it.?? when daddaji separated naksh.. what do u think came into play then.. his self-respect or his ego.??
2. "Confronted by outstanding merit, there is no way of saving one's ego except by love."
how true is this statement in case of naksh.. or akshara in particular.?? is she trying to treat daddaji's and gayatri's bruised ego by love or is she lowering her self respect.. as said by many here.?? what do you think you would have done in this case.??
3. what are the possible reasons for daddaji's and other members of singhania's such high standards of ego.. does generation gap have a role to play in it or it's just that since daddaji's authority was never questioned that his ego is so much fragile.??
4. naitik too has ego.. what difference is there in his ego and egos of other family members including nandini.?? how has his ego undergone a change after his marriage to akshara.??



very nice discussion topic Kamudi 👏

firstly i think every person has ego, the degree might differ..this is what gives us a distinctive personality....

if we talk of that instance in particular, i think daddaji was right in his position..he is very egoistic but in that case , his self respect played a major part in taking that decision....and then, it was not that 1 instances but many such incidents where he felt naitik wants to do everything his way , he doesn't wanna live under their shadow ! in a way his thinking was progressive..such incidents wud have occured again n again toh he put a full stop to it ! akshara and naitik knew very well that daddaji does not want to accept any help from vish toh they should have respected his wish, no matter what the consequences might have been....daddaji wanted it that way...if it was naitik & akshara's personal matter, they had the freedom to do whatever they like !

yes, ur right.....therez no other way of saving one's ego but by love.....we often underestimate the power of love..love can conquer one and all ! can't say she's lowering her self respect..may be..sometimes...but then if she didn't act that way, it wud have made the matters worse & increase the misunderstandings...the good thing is that nobody can blame her for not doing her bit...u know naitik is supporting her & is with her bec. of this trait only...i think so..

the third question..i'll go with the 2nd option..nobody has questioned daddaji's authority hence the inflated ego ! he thinks only he's right , everybody follows his orders..naitik dared to cross the boundary line 😛 of course generation gap plays a vital part..it is a reality which can never change..everyone has to face similar problems...the solution is not universal..it depends on person to person..some elders r more adjusting, some youngsters r willing to adjust..i think the right balance is achieved when BOTH of them bend a little...the sad part is that "how much adjustment & how much restriction" is not known

Naitik changed a lot after marriage & Akshara's love changed him....i said the same in one of my msgs a few days back..prolly those 2 incidents change him..when he was separated from akshara & when sneha came into his life...he loves akshara from the bottom of his heart ..he has mellowed down but i think the change is temporary....well, he's not willing to give up his self respect totally but we've seen that he too goes to any length to please his family......his perspective & Akshara's perspective is right individually but they clash when they're together ! he has maintained a delicate balance but can't say for how long it'll continue 😛
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Posted: 14 years ago
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very nice discussion topic Kamudi 👏

firstly i think every person has ego, the degree might differ..this is what gives us a distinctive personality....

if we talk of that instance in particular, i think daddaji was right in his position..he is very egoistic but in that case , his self respect played a major part in taking that decision....and then, it was not that 1 instances but many such incidents where he felt naitik wants to do everything his way , he doesn't wanna live under their shadow ! in a way his thinking was progressive..such incidents wud have occured again n again toh he put a full stop to it ! akshara and naitik knew very well that daddaji does not want to accept any help from vish toh they should have respected his wish, no matter what the consequences might have been....daddaji wanted it that way...if it was naitik & akshara's personal matter, they had the freedom to do whatever they like !

yes, ur right.....therez no other way of saving one's ego but by love.....we often underestimate the power of love..love can conquer one and all ! can't say she's lowering her self respect..may be..sometimes...but then if she didn't act that way, it wud have made the matters worse & increase the misunderstandings...the good thing is that nobody can blame her for not doing her bit...u know naitik is supporting her & is with her bec. of this trait only...i think so..

the third question..i'll go with the 2nd option..nobody has questioned daddaji's authority hence the inflated ego ! he thinks only he's right , everybody follows his orders..naitik dared to cross the boundary line 😛 of course generation gap plays a vital part..it is a reality which can never change..everyone has to face similar problems...the solution is not universal..it depends on person to person..some elders r more adjusting, some youngsters r willing to adjust..i think the right balance is achieved when BOTH of them bend a little...the sad part is that "how much adjustment & how much restriction" is not known

Naitik changed a lot after marriage & Akshara's love changed him....i said the same in one of my msgs a few days back..prolly those 2 incidents change him..when he was separated from akshara & when sneha came into his life...he loves akshara from the bottom of his heart ..he has mellowed down but i think the change is temporary....well, he's not willing to give up his self respect totally but we've seen that he too goes to any length to please his family......his perspective & Akshara's perspective is right individually but they clash when they're together ! he has maintained a delicate balance but can't say for how long it'll continue 😛

di i was waiting for so long for ur post..😃
i saw ur name under the like button and i became very excited that you liked my topic of discussion.!!!😃
i was a bit sceptical about this topic as the discussion.. as i wrote earlier.. it looks like an exam question paper to me.. but u liked it.. omg.. im on cloud 9 abhi.!! i felt charu di ne lyk kia.. bus.. ab to mera discussion topic bahut hi accha hai.!!!Tongue
thanx for appreciation di.. i srsly love it wen u like my posts.. u are an inspiration to me and to get appreciated by you is certainly an acheivement for me..
thanks again di.!!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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yes i must say good post kaumudi,i was wonderingwhy they werent much discussions,but this made my day even better😉
1. I really dont believe that this is DJ selff-respect,if he had enough respect and loved his family he would seriously not make decision by himself and thats the truth.First of all this is DJ's ego,nothing else.
Since he is the biggest in that house he must take decisions for everything.Rb has no saying at all so as G3.sab kuch chup chap sehna parta hai.This is wrong.And i have something else to say,BMa love her dear daughter nandini so badly,mohit has not even done anything and poor him is trying and trying for her to return home,they can give g3's children punishment but their own daughter they cant even see whats wrong with her??,she is also some1's house bahu?,dj and his double standards dont they thing other households have respect or the whole city revolves around them??
2.Akshara just wants everything bck to normal. When will she understand that form the time she stepped into that houe,the elder had a problem?..poor girl tries her best for everything but NO she just lowers her self respect and gets on like she is made for g3 to kick her all around like a football.Ow much ill naitik hear?..both of them tries they best and for akshara she acts like some1 who has absolutely no feelings and that any1 could do anything to her and she would take anything for her pyaara sasural!!...god tha girl needs to show her attitude like she used to bfr marriage.
3.Well idk if there is anything about generation gap,my parents are old thinking but god not so old thinking,bfr making a decision they atleast ask,not bcz the\y are the oldest they should do only what they want!!,I agree with Sia here,everything hurts dj,thatsnot fair,doesnt rb have the right to love his son and make decisions???
3.Naitik's ego is not as big as it was before,marrying Akshara and understanding her and learning to understand others has lowered his ego,he tends to be more matured and understanding,he also knows Dj and doesnt want to cause anymore problems but to live his own life the way it is supposed to be!!But seems to be nandini' ego is just like her fahter's,kissi ki baat suna hi nahi chatti,this is not rite,well then again evey1 in the Singhania houshold has eo,except RB,who doesnt have enough moth to stand up for his self and Rashmi,who is too small to understand yet big enough to marry!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Kaumadi👏 Fab questionnaire & here is my puraan to bore you🥱.....Oops sorry, you brought it on yourself girl. So read my endless blabber....Can't stop once I get going🤣 tho bhogtho....

Akshara is a very plain & simple girl who has led a very sheltered life. She never thinks anyone can ever do anything wrong. A very endearing quality is her bholapan & this very bholapan makes her think that everyone is selfless like her. She lacks self confidence & always thinks maybe she herself has erred somewhere & ends up blaming herself. Daadi has been a very influential person in her upbringing but surprisingly I have not seen her applying any of Daadi's philosophies in her personal life. Instead she has chosen her mother's philosophy; be a bahu, a binding force to keep the fly glued. She has repeatedly hurt the one person she loves the most, her husband; accepted others mistakes as her own instead of standing up for herself. She is so selfless that matters like ego & self respect never even occur to her.

Her bholapan & her selflessness are very endearing to Naitik & to most men😳 Naitik loves her to pieces and he expresses it beautifully😍 He forgets his ego when he is with her😉 CV's haven't expressed her side of it in the same passionate sense. I am sure she loves him as much or more but is unable to express it because of her shyness or maybe she is mindful of the elders around her. All in all they balance each other very well; although I would still like to see him show his egoistic side when he needs to. A little bit of ego in men is necessary to ward off people like DJ. I wouldn't want him to completely go the Akshara way; it may work at times settling kitchen politics but not in the real world. I hope the man in him rises up to the occasion from time to time.

DJ's case has been all about ego in this track. Yes, initially it was about self respect but his ego took over when he made the batwara decision w/o consulting anyone. If it was just about self respect he would have accepted the apologies, returned the money & gone to jail. He took his time returning the money coz he knew his hands were tied. He never once thought about his bro or the mothers feeling in this case. Sub consciously he knows Vish is like a bro & hence the bhaangwala invite. A sound decision as the head of the family would have been to consider the consequences of his decision; did the punishment fit the crime? Combining all past minor issues & blowing it out of proportion does not make it a crime😕 The decision was taken in haste and was a direct consequence of his ego being hurt; his authority being questioned. Even if he has realized he was wrong he will not take it back coz his ego won't let him. G3 is a tantrum queen - ego or self respect? Kya farak padtha hai?😡 Nandini, does anyone really care?🥱

Edited by FLGators - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: FLGators

Kaumadi👏 Fab questionnaire & here is my puraan to bore you🥱.....Oops sorry, you brought it on yourself girl. So read my endless blabber....Can't stop once I get going🤣 tho bhogtho....

Akshara is a very plain & simple girl who has led a very sheltered life. She never thinks anyone can ever do anything wrong. A very endearing quality is her bholapan & this very bholapan makes her think that everyone is selfless like her. She lacks self confidence & always thinks maybe she herself has erred somewhere & ends up blaming herself. Daadi has been a very influential person in her upbringing but surprisingly I have not seen her applying any of Daadi's philosophies in her personal life. Instead she has chosen her mother's philosophy; be a hahu, a binding force to keep the fly glued. She has repeatedly hurt the one person she loves the most, her husband; accepted others mistakes as her own instead of standing up for herself. She is so selfless that matters like ego & self respect never even occur to her.

Her bholapan & her selflessness are very endearing to Naitik & to most men😳 Naitik loves her to pieces and he expresses it beautifully😍 He forgets his ego when he is with her😉 CV's haven't expressed her side of it in the same passionate sense. I am sure she loves him as much or more but is unable to express it because of her shyness or maybe she is mindful of the elders around her. All in all they balance each other very well; although I would still like to see him show his egoistic side when he needs to. A little bit of ego in men is necessary to ward off people like DJ. I wouldn't want him to completely go the Akshara way; it may work at times settling kitchen politics but not in the real world. I hope the man in him rises up to the occasion from time to time.

DJ's case has been all about ego in this track. Yes, initially it was about self respect but his ego took over when he made the batwara decision w/o consulting anyone. If it was just about self respect he would have accepted the apologies, returned the money & gone to jail. He took his time returning the money coz he knew his hands were tied. He never once thought about his bro or the mothers feeling in this case. Sub consciously he knows Vish is like a bro & hence the bhaangwala invite. A sound decision as the head of the family would have been to consider the consequences of his decision; did the punishment fit the crime? Combining all past minor issues & blowing it out of proportion does not make it a crime😕 The decision was taken in haste and was a direct consequence of his ego being hurt; his authority being questioned. Even if he has realized he was wrong he will not take it back coz his ego won't let him. G3 is a tantrum queen - ego or self respect? Kya farak padtha hai?😡 Nandini, does anyone really care?🥱

what i want to say here,i believe its completely ego!!,he knew g3 was beggin dj aise mat karo n rb too,but he did not listen,in a joint household this is not fair at all
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Djs self respect is turn into ego or he is calling his ego as his self respect. in naksh batwaara i think is djs self respect got hurt by people talking about money . but its his ego make him take this drastic decision about making naksh seperate. but one thing i was surprise about him not even discussing this big desision with his brother? afterall naitik is Rbs son he should atlest take his vote as father for ones. and Dj never think about any after effect of his decision anyways . and after all this he have no problem to do dikhawa in shivrati puja and holi that everything is normal? he have no problem to talk to naitik in front of beradari or aksharas helping in puja or doning things for rashmis inlaws just to pretend everything normal?and at the same time in same house they can not even keep the straight face when they see each other in one roof?i dont get it this barwaara at all. and one more thing the way dj and g3 behaving with Vish .why they have to be harsh on him he just help because his daughter ask for it. if nandini come crying one day and ask for money what will dj do ? isnt he will help her ?

Akshara is so soft by heart that she thinks all the time if there is no peace in the house is all her fault and when ever she try to make things right beween her and Gayatri its remind me of her dialouge at the bidaai that she told dadi that she wants to make strong relation between her and her MIL just like dadi and Rajashri . she thinks that she and Gayatri can become mother and daughter like dadi and Rajashri .but she dont understand that every person is diffrent .so it does not matters how hard she try her relation with g3 can be never like her mom and dadi .and the more she trys the harsh gayatri is getting while she is taking her granted and akshara is loosing her own identity. and her self respect also and if she not realise soon she might loose naitiks support also.

And about clash in dj naitik i always think that if Rb was as agressive in life like naitik dj will experiance the ganaration gap long time ago dj is lucky that rb never express his like dislike and blindly followed dj. so now naitik comeup with this new soch it is hard for dj to except it and he does not know that the main resone every one in the house hide things from each other because they all whats to do stuff there ways and does not want to let dj know about it. so many time they show g3 , rb and even rashmi and nandini hide things form dj. like nandinis writing and rashmis going to see suraj and g3 taking rashmi to mandir for rishta when dj said no. and rbs hiding that he gave permission to akhara to learn driving.
i think the most imp. is to discussion and finding out each others thought before come to any decision and to take vote of each and every mambers so every one get chance to express there fellings . here everyone just take order form dj and as i always think that more dj is forceing his thoughts on every one they all just following it because they dont have choice its not at all there love for dj. and one day they will do bagawat too.
come to naitik he does not have ego . and he was angry and now after marrige he changed so much. and i think this is one more resone that gayatri cant take it that naitik changed for akshi and ye baat digest karna is impossible for her thats why she always harsh on akshi too.
(Nice post kamudi👏, and i also wants marks😆)
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Akshara is a very plain & simple girl who has led a very sheltered life. She never thinks anyone can ever do anything wrong. A very endearing quality is her bholapan & this very bholapan makes her think that everyone is selfless like her. She lacks self confidence & always thinks maybe she herself has erred somewhere & ends up blaming herself. Daadi has been a very influential person in her upbringing but surprisingly I have not seen her applying any of Daadi's philosophies in her personal life. Instead she has chosen her mother's philosophy; be a bahu, a binding force to keep the fly glued. She has repeatedly hurt the one person she loves the most, her husband; accepted others mistakes as her own instead of standing up for herself. She is so selfless that matters like ego & self respect never even occur to her.

DJ's case has been all about ego in this track. Yes, initially it was about self respect but his ego took over when he made the batwara decision w/o consulting anyone. If it was just about self respect he would have accepted the apologies, returned the money & gone to jail. He took his time returning the money coz he knew his hands were tied. He never once thought about his bro or the mothers feeling in this case. Sub consciously he knows Vish is like a bro & hence the bhaangwala invite. A sound decision as the head of the family would have been to consider the consequences of his decision; did the punishment fit the crime? Combining all past minor issues & blowing it out of proportion does not make it a crime😕 The decision was taken in haste and was a direct consequence of his ego being hurt; his authority being questioned. Even if he has realized he was wrong he will not take it back coz his ego won't let him. G3 is a tantrum queen - ego or self respect? Kya farak padtha hai?😡 Nandini, does anyone really care?🥱


very nice views everyone 👏

@red part, Sarita, i think Akshara does that bec. she expects more from Naitik..she feels that bec. he loves her, he should understand her, def. more than gayitri..prolly she takes all the taunts quietly from gayitri bec. she's taken it for granted that Ma will always misunderstand me, but if naitik does the same, obviously she'll feel bad...

haan, accepting others mistakes as her own, she needs to work in this sphere..she's very weak when it comes to her in laws...she should use the same spunk (which she uses with naitik) while dealing with her in laws...

refusing to accept money from elsewhere, was Daddaji's self respect..not wanting any help from vishambhar was daddaji's self respect..when money was borrowed from vishambhar, his self respect was hurt BUT the division of the family was purely daddaji's ego...reg. the consultation part, that he didn't consulted RB or the ladies, i believe that in most of the joint families which exist today, there is and there should be only ONE decision making person, i.e. the head of the family...the more the no. of people involved, the more the confusion, varying POV's, sabki marzi ek saath toh ho nahi sakti ! bec. of this fact, that one person has the decision making power, his responsibility increases ten folds...he must decide keeping in mind the interests of every member of the family.....THERE, Daddaji misused his position bec. his decision of dividing the family was wrong ! bec. Naitik & Akshara never wanted it..dino completely misunderstood the situation !

Gayitri is the most hypocrite one, more than daddaji..at least daddaji is clear on what he wants...but gayitri 🤢 one moment she's rejoicing that HER munna came back home to celebrate holi with her, the next moment she doesn't talk to her munna or ask him abt the breakfast or where he's going 🤢 for that everyone needs rashmi 🤢

Nandini is plain dumb... she's a spoilt brat and Akshara is the one responsible for it partially....when her family wanted to sort out the issue with mohit, akshara only suggested "let didi take time, this is also her house". 🤢 nandini gives up very easily..could not handle her MIL, i'll not blame her for this...😆 she became a sandwich b/w her husband and MIL..self pity toh pehle se hi koot koot kar bhari thi...daddaji has diff. rules for her toh obviously she'll take advantage of it 😆 she's an opportunist...she doesn't love anyone but herself...
Edited by _charu_ - 14 years ago
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Fabulous post kaumudi…👏 n as usual Awesome views Charu di n Sarita di… I must admit that u ppl have seriously becoming an inspiration for me day by day..👍🏼 it seems im too late to comment as every1 had already said wat I wanted to post..😭 But still heres my pov…

the conclusion of Batwara is a sheer EGO of Dj more den his self respect.. coz in a way he knew Naksh weren't totally wrong at their place. i mean in that crises situation ders no other option left for them BUT to take help from vish.. but since the problem is solved now its very easy for him to compensate by saying ki "Aise koi mane jail main na daal sakta".. 🤢 btw i didn't got the logic of dj for his behavior towards vish..he could take help from his friend but not from his samdhi .. y??

i agree LOVE is the only solution n option to kill any1's Ego...😊 as i myself believe in gandhigiri...n i personally believe, apply n achieve it too in my daily routine..No matter how rude the other person is but we should always reply dem back politely..😃 n I don't think it lowers our Self respect…I agree the process is too long but in the end Akshi is always get praised for her "Sehansakti".. n to an extent it also depends on persons nature.. n since akshi has got that nature to forgive n forget.. I don't think its wrong..infact this theory makes the person more calm n compose n in a way this attitude helps decreases MU n increases respect for herself…😊

no matter wat Gen gap will always be der n also its consequences n as charu di said it just depends on how much a person can bend but in the end der should be a balance from both side..it should not be one sided as we see in the show always DJ has his saying n rest of the family members just act like a puppet..

naitik's ego or anger has decreased for the better.. infact kal hi my mom was saying that our attitude changes once we get married.. Our ability to tackle problems, to think from others perspectives, we learn automatically how to bend down to maintain peace n happiness at house..😔 naitik has changed completely wat he was before marriage..now he understands akshi's emotions . the reason behind her deeds, her helplessness, her efforts to keep their family united as compared to earlier wen he used to yell n question her "Aapne aisa kyun kiya".. n also akshi has changed after her marriage completely,, although her change in attitude is not for good.. 😕 coz now she wants always naitik to understand family perspective she keeps saying aap kyun nahi samjate.. hume sabke sath rahena hai.. sab kya sochege n all.. I think her character was strong before her marriage where atleast shes got the guts to raise question when required but now she is not coming from her MAA ka jaap…🤢

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Awesome DOTW Kamaudi👏👏👏👏
n everyone awesome posts👏👏👏
but yaar i dont know wht to say........actly aise serious posts dekh ke mai kuch likh hi nahi pati dont knw why.........but i really liked all of ur posts👏👏👏👏👏
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Fabulous post kaumudi'👏 n as usual Awesome views Charu di n Sarita di' I must admit that u ppl have seriously becoming an inspiration for me day by day..👍🏼 it seems im too late to comment as every1 had already said wat I wanted to post..😭 But still heres my pov'

the conclusion of Batwara is a sheer EGO of Dj more den his self respect.. coz in a way he knew Naksh weren't totally wrong at their place. i mean in that crises situation ders no other option left for them BUT to take help from vish.. but since the problem is solved now its very easy for him to compensate by saying ki "Aise koi mane jail main na daal sakta".. 🤢 btw i didn't got the logic of dj for his behavior towards vish..he could take help from his friend but not from his samdhi .. y??

i agree LOVE is the only solution n option to kill any1's Ego...😊 as i myself believe in gandhigiri...n i personally believe, apply n achieve it too in my daily routine..No matter how rude the other person is but we should always reply dem back politely..😃 n I don't think it lowers our Self respect'I agree the process is too long but in the end Akshi is always get praised for her "Sehansakti".. n to an extent it also depends on persons nature.. n since akshi has got that nature to forgive n forget.. I don't think its wrong..infact this theory makes the person more calm n compose n in a way this attitude helps decreases MU n increases respect for herself'😊

no matter wat Gen gap will always be der n also its consequences n as charu di said it just depends on how much a person can bend but in the end der should be a balance from both side..it should not be one sided as we see in the show always DJ has his saying n rest of the family members just act like a puppet..

naitik's ego or anger has decreased for the better.. infact kal hi my mom was saying that our attitude changes once we get married.. Our ability to tackle problems, to think from others perspectives, we learn automatically how to bend down to maintain peace n happiness at house..😔 naitik has changed completely wat he was before marriage..now he understands akshi's emotions . the reason behind her deeds, her helplessness, her efforts to keep their family united as compared to earlier wen he used to yell n question her "Aapne aisa kyun kiya".. n also akshi has changed after her marriage completely,, although her change in attitude is not for good.. 😕 coz now she wants always naitik to understand family perspective she keeps saying aap kyun nahi samjate.. hume sabke sath rahena hai.. sab kya sochege n all.. I think her character was strong before her marriage where atleast shes got the guts to raise question when required but now she is not coming from her MAA ka jaap'🤢


very well said Vini 👏 i think the CV's wanted to show the batwara and they did it but everything escaped logic..Daddaji's respect was being tarnished with the mention of a possible fraud in the co., he kept telling naitik and RB that no one should know abt it then howcome something as big as filing a police complaint wud have gone unnoticed? infact his reputation wud have been tarnished forever if it happened ! the business wud have suffered.....Daddaji's attitude towards Vish is annoying....and then even if it was dowry, wasn't Daddaji's ready to give lots and lots to Nandini? a house, maid, jewellery? what was that?



@sarita, Naitik never used his aggressiveness to deal with Daddaji, yahi toh all of us wanted but it has not happened so far...i like that bad boy streak in him, it makes him more januable 😛 when naksh got married, i said that naitik will protect akshara frm outside world but not from his family...bec. his family is his weakpoint....and see, he did it...chahe ho baisa ya baisa ka mundru, saare mil ke bhi couldn't stand in front of naitik 😆

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