Thehraav and the bridging of perspectives

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I had to use the hindi word "thehraav" becos in some ways there is no real English equivalent that can describe the emotion that one feels at times when there is a kind of cessation or a kind of stillness because all around you there is action yet time is standing still. The episode of yesterday intended to convey that in the narrative yet that was not what everyone felt at the end of it. I can see a few posts that have been able to feel this moment and many others who felt it was all rushed.
I stand at the threshold becos strangely I connect to both sentiments because I get what the narrative was trying to convey through the technique they used yesterday but at the same time I understand the dissatisfaction of the ones who could not feel it ( me included at some points). This post is not intended to reduce the significance of the ones who felt the emotion becos if in the midst of all the noise ( spoilers, foreshadowing inundation) if they have felt the intended magic... its great. At the same time, the ones who could not get the feel, I can also empathise because I felt the episode lacked the thehraav the situation demanded.

Unfortunately this was not becos the technique employed (muted voices) which btw was a fabulous technique to adopt for a scenario that wishes to juxtapose contradictory emotions. Also, I am a firm believer of "less is more" style of narration so I easily recognise the reasons for adopting it. So full marks on its usage. I don't believe that Sameer's muted voice caused the disconnect...rather it was the precursor scenes that caused the disconnect. The viewers had been treated to a plethora of foreshadowing that if it did not happen, the viewers would have asked for it themselves. Everyone who watched the previous episode must know that Nanaji was going to fall even if they were unsure if Sameer would reach the place; also everyone knew that the two love birds were most likely not meeting as they talked of "judai" like a hundred times...( sorry about the exaggeration).

Put the two scenarios together and we know that a catastrophe was waiting to happen. So...by default the CVs had milked dry the element of any surprise or shock...so when the muted voices took over, they made the scene bereft of any real emotion for the ones who wanted to see the organic flow of the moment. At the same time, the many who connected to the action could do so becos they were attuned to the larger picture. When you mute voices in a high action scene..you are technically letting the audience into the moment organically as if to feel the shock of the moment. Often when you are faced with a shocking instance, it is a reflexive action to go numb for some..so here by muting the voices or keeping it "real" and not theatrical actually is a great idea and I was completely sold on the moment but again it was not an organic moment because the viewer expected it to happen, so logically the viewer is looking for some more action or delving into the scene.

If in the same circumstances...had they showed a very happy progression with very little inkling of the action ahead and very little of the foreshadowing of doom...I feel the effect would have been a lot better for many. Just a perspective. Having said that...I will say again...which I have said in other posts of mine from time to time...and am reposting

I can accept that a serial cannot deliver superlative episodes everyday becos to deliver 20 odd minutes of compelling and meaningful content is very difficult in this medium which has challenges of all kinds. Yet, to have the end goal of the story the storyteller had in mind is important.

What drew me to this serial was not the nostalgia of the 90s even though it has a special charm as I completely relate to that era; I was actually drawn to the plotline as I saw in YUDKBH a chance for a lovely love tale to emerge...of two people choosing different pathways to the realisation of their love. The situational barriers of the times adding the necessary spice to their tale of two kindred souls. For most part they have kept the story telling tight and while there are some minor disappointments, I have complained far less becos I understand that keeping every aspect of this serial making in a top notch form day in and day out is a tuf ask; the screenplay, editing, direction, camerawork, set props, costumes and last but not the least the cast..so honestly I am often ready to compromise if I can see some element shine more than the others...

Yesterday...i saw a glimpse of good technique marred by excessive indulgence by screenplay. Unfortunately...today and portions of yesterday seemed to let down the vision of this tale..In a hurry to separate the two lovebirds... the writers seemed to contrive at every step the famous foreshadowing style of storytelling. You do it once or twice, it is acceptable but here they have resorted to all the hammers in their arsenal to drive home the point. CVs we get it that you are keen to separate the two.. we accept it is inevitable becos unless a conflict angle is formed, a love tale can't appeal to the audience at large but was there a need to do that to the exclusion of the normal flow of the tale. Today's muted tones were a great style to experiment with when the narrative intended to show the juxtaposition of the merry times (farewell) and the sad times ( Nanu's collapse) yet the effect wasn't achieved to the extent desired becos the audience has already an inkling of the happenings and so was very consumed by that thought since yesterday so the muted voices became voiceless in the most important part of the narrative.

Again...let me reiterate...I do not have complaints on the storytelling style but I have some complaints on the writing of some scenes in this crucial juncture of the story.


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Beautiful post! I can totally understand the disappointment of many and you have perfectly described in flawless narrative. The very reason I made the post on beauty of yesterday's story was to sooth the hearts that were disappointed. I hope it did to some extent. Doing justice to my name Endless Hope I hope to continue bringing hope and embalming the sore hearts.
I love the title of your post and your narrative does total justice to it. ❤️
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Well balanced and nuanced analysis. I loved reading it.
I have always seen any visual story in two different brackets. One is the technicality of the everything, the production values, the cinematography, continuity and the likes. The other is the Story itself. No matter how much the first category is great, if there is no soul to the story, if I cannot connect to the story, then only the technical aspects of it cannot hold my attention.

On the other hand, I can ignore some of the technical errors if the overall story is something I believe in.

So, even though there have been continuity errors, some technical issues, some editing issues, and some questionable screen play choices, I still was able to enjoy the last few episodes, including yesterday's one. The story, for me, so far has been convincing and has touched me.


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Posted: 7 years ago
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good post..
I liked yesterday's muted emotional scene ..till after reading ur post not realised that it's muted ..

I literally heard sameer's naanu and other emotions of him and cried,tensed along with him ...that scene is outstanding for me
not connected this much to any other scene of any other show :-((((
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Beautifully penned down dear😃👏
I never thought muting voices could have such a deep meaning...yet even when i didn't think about this aspect so deeply... i could feel the impact they were trying to convey... especially for Sameer ... he who always had just Nanu as his soulmate...as his mother cum Nanu cum friend cum everything for him...when he saw him lying unconscious on the floor... his mind would have become totally blank...his ears couldn't hear anything...words would fail to come out...he stood almost in a vacuum...and so..the mute scene ...i could kind of relate to😊

But I loved to read the detailed analysis by you dear...too good...brilliant post😃👏
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I totally agree concur with ur perspective. I usually watch the episodes approx 12 hours post it's air time in IST. By that time, a lot of chir-phad (read analysis) is done which I go through time permitting. Yet, I am able to zone out the information that i have read and watch/enjoy the episodes unbiased and in context . Yesterday's episode had some great symbolism, therav.slow motion, muting worked...Yes and a little bit of disconnect.
Sameer's scream for "Munshiji" was not loud enough..yes...but debatable ..to me..Sameer has never been loud ..even when he was angry..he never increased his vocal intensity (loudness)..having said that, in a life or death situation human behavior changes. Maybe Randeep can work on vocal inflections techniques...they all do fantastic jobs..always scope for improvement.
I hope everyone keeps enjoying the episodes!
Awesome post👏
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sanfan

I had to use the hindi word "thehraav" becos in some ways there is no real English equivalent that can describe the emotion that one feels at times when there is a kind of cessation or a kind of stillness because all around you there is action yet time is standing still. The episode of yesterday intended to convey that in the narrative yet that was not what everyone felt at the end of it. I can see a few posts that have been able to feel this moment and many others who felt it was all rushed.

I stand at the threshold becos strangely I connect to both sentiments because I get what the narrative was trying to convey through the technique they used yesterday but at the same time I understand the dissatisfaction of the ones who could not feel it ( me included at some points). This post is not intended to reduce the significance of the ones who felt the emotion becos if in the midst of all the noise ( spoilers, foreshadowing inundation) if they have felt the intended magic... its great. At the same time, the ones who could not get the feel, I can also empathise because I felt the episode lacked the thehraav the situation demanded.

Unfortunately this was not becos the technique employed (muted voices) which btw was a fabulous technique to adopt for a scenario that wishes to juxtapose contradictory emotions. Also, I am a firm believer of "less is more" style of narration so I easily recognise the reasons for adopting it. So full marks on its usage. I don't believe that Sameer's muted voice caused the disconnect...rather it was the precursor scenes that caused the disconnect. The viewers had been treated to a plethora of foreshadowing that if it did not happen, the viewers would have asked for it themselves. Everyone who watched the previous episode must know that Nanaji was going to fall even if they were unsure if Sameer would reach the place; also everyone knew that the two love birds were most likely not meeting as they talked of "judai" like a hundred times...( sorry about the exaggeration).

Put the two scenarios together and we know that a catastrophe was waiting to happen. So...by default the CVs had milked dry the element of any surprise or shock...so when the muted voices took over, they made the scene bereft of any real emotion for the ones who wanted to see the organic flow of the moment. At the same time, the many who connected to the action could do so becos they were attuned to the larger picture. When you mute voices in a high action scene..you are technically letting the audience into the moment organically as if to feel the shock of the moment. Often when you are faced with a shocking instance, it is a reflexive action to go numb for some..so here by muting the voices or keeping it "real" and not theatrical actually is a great idea and I was completely sold on the moment but again it was not an organic moment because the viewer expected it to happen, so logically the viewer is looking for some more action or delving into the scene.

If in the same circumstances...had they showed a very happy progression with very little inkling of the action ahead and very little of the foreshadowing of doom...I feel the effect would have been a lot better for many. Just a perspective. Having said that...I will say again...which I have said in other posts of mine from time to time...and am reposting

I can accept that a serial cannot deliver superlative episodes everyday becos to deliver 20 odd minutes of compelling and meaningful content is very difficult in this medium which has challenges of all kinds. Yet, to have the end goal of the story the storyteller had in mind is important.

What drew me to this serial was not the nostalgia of the 90s even though it has a special charm as I completely relate to that era; I was actually drawn to the plotline as I saw in YUDKBH a chance for a lovely love tale to emerge...of two people choosing different pathways to the realisation of their love. The situational barriers of the times adding the necessary spice to their tale of two kindred souls. For most part they have kept the story telling tight and while there are some minor disappointments, I have complained far less becos I understand that keeping every aspect of this serial making in a top notch form day in and day out is a tuf ask; the screenplay, editing, direction, camerawork, set props, costumes and last but not the least the cast..so honestly I am often ready to compromise if I can see some element shine more than the others...

Yesterday...i saw a glimpse of good technique marred by excessive indulgence by screenplay. Unfortunately...today and portions of yesterday seemed to let down the vision of this tale..In a hurry to separate the two lovebirds... the writers seemed to contrive at every step the famous foreshadowing style of storytelling. You do it once or twice, it is acceptable but here they have resorted to all the hammers in their arsenal to drive home the point. CVs we get it that you are keen to separate the two.. we accept it is inevitable becos unless a conflict angle is formed, a love tale can't appeal to the audience at large but was there a need to do that to the exclusion of the normal flow of the tale. Today's muted tones were a great style to experiment with when the narrative intended to show the juxtaposition of the merry times (farewell) and the sad times ( Nanu's collapse) yet the effect wasn't achieved to the extent desired becos the audience has already an inkling of the happenings and so was very consumed by that thought since yesterday so the muted voices became voiceless in the most important part of the narrative.

Again...let me reiterate...I do not have complaints on the storytelling style but I have some complaints on the writing of some scenes in this crucial juncture of the story.




"I can accept that a serial cannot deliver superlative episodes everyday becos to deliver 20 odd minutes of compelling and meaningful content is very difficult in this medium which has challenges of all kinds. Yet, to have the end goal of the story the storyteller had in mind is important. "


That sum's up the whole motive dear.. 100% true. Also "thehraav" is the correct word for the emotion.
Edited by Manasi90 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Superb post dear...after reading this I'm able to see the Sameer's muted voice part in a different way. Now I agree over here that they purposely muted it to create an effect of blankness but somehow the execution of that idea didn't come out that precisely as it should. May be his Munshiji shout which was added later seemed to be the reason for that failure for me. But yes as you pointed out the difference in series of sequences that is farewell and phone ring and Nanu's collapse were done for a reason to show the audience that Sameer's time has stopped but not for the world and there is someone waiting for him out there.
All and all I loved reading your post. It was a different perspective altogether.
But I still feel the flow of sequences and editing and writing needs to be strong rather than faltering day by day. Its all about packaging. People buy stuff by first looking at the packaging. If packaging is not good the acting and the actual intentions of the writer do not reach the audience in the way they were intended to.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Beautiful post dear
The expectation have been too much as the cvs have set the bar so high... Bt then not everyone will be satisfied with every episode... They tried to portray the emotions in a different way... Like u said world went on as it was but sameer's workd stopped seeing nanu in such condition... Naina ws completely detached from the world as sameer wasn't there... Nothing around her could make her happy... I can this from a different perspective from now... Thanks for this post.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: EndlessHope

Beautiful post! I can totally understand the disappointment of many and you have perfectly described in flawless narrative. The very reason I made the post on beauty of yesterday's story was to sooth the hearts that were disappointed. I hope it did to some extent. Doing justice to my name Endless Hope I hope to continue bringing hope and embalming the sore hearts.

I love the title of your post and your narrative does total justice to it. ❤️


Thank you @EndlessHope...and as your UN signifies...you bring with you oodles of positive vibes...which is very much required when watching a serial that has a story to tell and sometimes all may not be on the same page. I read your beautiful post on the episode.

Yes..its very important to be attuned to the big picture if one is convinced that the message of the storyteller will shine through. I also agree with you when we watch a story...we are watching the storyteller's vision unfold. Sometimes, there may be a mismatch in getting that vision completely..sometimes its the myopia at our end or it could be an oversight at the opposite end. 😊 Together we hope we can bridge it!!

Thank u Pooja...




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