Originally posted by: sammy17
Can I just say, ISHRA are the most toxic and dysfunctional couple to have ever been seen; among both fictional and non-fictional couples. Their relationship is not right, and they should not be together. Ideally, ishita should throw divorce papers on his face, as every single time, he doesn't even attempt to think from ishita's point of view, and humiliates her by snatching the best mother award from her whenever he feels like it, then giving it to shagun and calling her baanch. The only time I never understood ishita was in pihu-ananya case, and I was completely annoyed with her, but I'm the only one it seems even among viewers/ fan who understood why ishita did what she did in this adi track.
The fact that shagun did shit all and stood about not even attempting to stop adi or call the police, and stood there merely teary-eyed, whilst ishita as usual took the initiative, only for her to walk away with the best mother award, which raman usually gives to ishita then takes from her whenever it suits him as usual is deplorable.
Ishita in no way deserves a man like raman or a family like bhalla's and iyer's and should just throw that divorce paper at raman, keep in contact with her kids, and in the future, if she finds a man who she thinks will treat her right, marry him, and raman ends up alone and reflecting on his actions and his approach to his relationship with ishita.
Ideally, raman should be absolutely alone in the end. Many would disagree, but raman truly is responsible for his relationship with ishita constantly being thrown to the wind. and ishita is the one who has always carried all the burden and responsibility of their relationship and all his relationships.
Raman just doesn't deserve sympathy, but people will say he lost his son so he does. Yet raman is the one who now uses pihu as a means of proving she is actually just a step-mother to ruhi and adi whenever he is pissed off at ishita, forgetting ishita had never asked to have her own kid with raman, and raman had secretly made pihu's existence possible. If he was going to use pihu as a weapon to accuse ishita always of not loving adi-ruhi as her own kids, then why did he go behind ishita's back in the first place without her permission to make sure ishita got her own kid? What a pathetic man.
Raman's constant humiliation of ishita when anything goes wrong without even letting her get a word in, or even to think with a cool mind and wonder under what difficult circumstances she must have made those decisions, is just proof that raman will never change, or come to trust/ appreciate ishita. They are the only on-screen couple I would say should not be together in the end of the show.
I have already given up on explaining to blind Raman haters from yhm forums but since I have seen u admiring AvNeil on Naamkarann forum, I'll dare reply u.
Disclaimer: I m not comparing two shows or two couples. Just wanna ask u something on those lines.
Y did u adore AvNeil all the time? Y were they unique for u? Wasn't it because of the transparency n communication between them that always led them to trust eachother? Wouldn't we always praise them for their honesty n always discussing things with eachother and didn't we lose it on Avni when she took the big decision for once without telling Neil anything?
We r the same people here, right? Then y do we blame Raman for every wrong happening in IshRa relationship when actually the root cause of every problem is Ishita doing everything alone without telling him anything? Y this hypocrisy?
I agree Raman has a motor mouth n he really utters filthy words which he really shouldn't, but who leads him to say them? Let's list down the times whenever he has used those words. First was after the bhooth drama. Was Ishita right to do whatever she did? Raman, who died thousand deaths seeing his wife dying everyday, finally learns that she was absolutely ok all the while n he was only being fooled, who believed he is the best friend of his wife n she is the most closest to him finally learns that she hid everything from for no reason n was planning with all the outsiders, who went in almost depression after not being able to save his baby and who badly wanted this baby now believed that he has lost it again n then learns that shagun n the baby were totally fine... doesn't deserve to lose it on Ishita, because she did what she did to save him n hence she is so mahaan, isn't it? (Mind u, the main reason of his anger was she didn't take his help n tortured all by her own decision)
Later, again she poked her nose in the personal lives of those irrelevant chaddas n murdered him, yet Raman trusted her, even took illegal ways to help her out though he was always against her habit of not minding her own business. He took the decision alone n faked the anger before pushing her off the cliff but soon went to tell her everything n devices the plan including her in it. Yet he was wrong, isn't it?
Then he first challenged her motherhood just before the leap. He strictly instructed her not to take the help of police, yet she did without informing him n lost ruhi, still she was right! I do not support the words he uttered in the hospital, but at the given moment was he really wrong to lose his mind n believe that Ishita chose pihu over ruhi? Though Ishita didn't demand a baby of her own but unfortunately the event happened right after her birth. Raman didn't know a bit of Ishita's plan, how should he understand n believe her? I agree, he shouldn't have doubted her love for ruhi but wasn't it his momentary emotional outbursts after losing his daughter? I still sympathise with ishita since she didn't deserve his wrath to that extent but she wasn't completely right either
Then post leap. Again, his words were wrong. But the reason? He was living a guilty life for 7 long years that Ishita lost her life because of him, because he accepted that he wronged her. He realised his mistake the moment Abhishek informed him about Ishita's suicide. Whereas she didn't care to even inform anybody that she was alive, not even her family. Shagun was a terrible mother, I know, but during those 7 years, she brought pihu up the best way she could... however ishita never come back even for her daughter. I know neither she was living a happy life in Australia n she too was guilty. But it was a way she chose for herself, not imposed on her by someone. Whereas Raman was forced to believe that she is dead n live a guilty life. Did he not deserve to know that she was at least alive? Was it not again a decision taken by Ishita alone? Was he alone completely wrong in that situation? (Mind you, his anger was because she didn't care to inform him about being alive)
Then came the second leap. She again took a decision on her own to tell pihu about her birth truth without discussing with Raman. Yet he supported her. N whatever he spoke was a drama staged by both of them n she was well aware of what's coming. Still he was wrong, isn't it?
Then both the affairs of Ruhi. Agreed he is impulsive n all, but isn't what he says is the most natural thing any father would say in such situations? Nobody behaves extra sweet to their daughter like ishimaa does. If ever ishita agreed to him since the beginning, ruhi could have been in better control. But still he was wrong to ask her to decide between him n ruhi. Irrespective of whether ishita agrees to stand by his side or not, he should always stand by her side in every non sense she does, isn't it?
In pihu-ananya case again, there was no damn reason for ishita to testify that she deliberately pushed ananya n rather to hide the entire thing from Raman, but she still did. But later Raman lost his memory due to depression n the pills and he trusted his family over a stranger lady, n hence he was again wrong, isn't it?
In all these cases, whatever ishita did was what situation demanded...this is the excuse always. But whatever Raman said can never be a reaction to the same situation...wow!!
N the heights of all now is this Adi murder case. Did the situation really demand her to shoot Adi dead? Again, what Raman said about 7 janam baanjh was totally wrong. But rest of the things? He was totally making sense. He deserved a second chance to bring Adi on the right path. He too deserved a stand in deciding what is to be done with Adi. No matter how wrong Adi was, no bloody person has a right to take his life except the law, let alone Ishita. Who is she to take the law in hands to decide his punishment? He was again right to say that she lied that it was a self defense. From whom was she defending herself? Adi had lost the gun n she was completely out of danger. It was roshni who needed self defense, not ishita. N ishita killed her own son for the girl like roshni? In first place, roshni was one characterless girl. Even if ishita didn't know this, was she more important to her than her own son? Ishita can be a jagatmata, but Raman is a normal human for whom his family is more important than any xyz outsider n he has said this time n again. Before saying ishita took the side of right, put urself in her shoes n ask if u will dare to shoot Ur own son just because he was doing something wrong. It's ok, it's Ishita's character to be mahaan n jagatmata but Raman's character is very humane n he is bound to lose his marbles when he loses his own family member for some outsider. She went to jail to save pihu, but killed Adi for no reason. Is he wrong to believe now that she didn't love Adi as much as pihu when she has actually bloody killed him? The same happened once with ruhi which he later believed ishita didn't intended to, but now again with Adi. Ishita that he knew was a kind of a mother who would sacrifice her life for her kids, isn't it a big blow for him that the same mother has taken a life of her kid for any damn reason? Shagun never was a great mother, but after she settled with Mani, she has genuinely changed for the good n she at least genuinely cares enough for her son to not let him shot. Our hatred for the character shagun can not change this fact. So how was Raman wrong to say shagun is grieving like a mother does? Does Ishita understand what even she says? Roshni ki Zindagi Barbaad ho jaati? Isliye isne Apne he bete ki Zindagi forever Barbaad Kar di? N now she talks to adi's photo like tum samajhte ho na main majboor thi? Like really? For once, I can watch the scenes where Raman speaks those filthy words but I ff these over sweet ishita's words which look extremely artificial n fake to me now. N I don't even know what she has done with Aliya, but I despise her for staying with roshni. She can be the best human on the earth who stands for the right n can be the insaaf ki Devi, for me she is plain irritating.
As u said, ishra's relationship is the most toxic one n hence I don't justify either of their actions. But the fact is, the root cause everytime has been ishita's habit of hiding things from him n taking every decision alone without communicating it to him. If ishita deserves someone who would treat her better, Raman too deserves someone better who would completely trust him n be transparent with him n behave like a life partner actually. Raman isn't mad to behave like a janwar for no reason. If his life partner behaves reasonably with him, he too will not behave like a monster. Just because Raman says some harsh word n ishita bears them n behaves over sweet n sugarcoated, doesn't make her every wrong right n his every right wrong. Actions too hurt someone as much as the words do. So ishita equally hurts Raman with her actions as much as he hurts her with his words. Raman should control his words. But Being a woman myself, I say, ishita deserves to bear Raman's wrath now n it must be her to go n apologize to him n make every effort for their relationship. Just being quite n bearing the insults n crying doesn't mean u r making the efforts for relationship, realising Ur mistakes, accepting them, n changing Ur bad habits for the good of the relationship means making an effort.
CVS can sell their cheap drama by making Raman say a few harsh lines, thus making ishita bechari to all the modern pseudo feminists, but sorry, I can't buy this!
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