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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: QueSeraSera

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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Hey Zoya</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">A lovely post again and I concur</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">The way I see it Ishita took the decision to leave again for a simple reason - she's trying to protect herself.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">We often have seen Ishita being accused of being too good or too selfless for her own good... but this is Ishita at her selfish best, this is Ishita who ran away seven years ago and yes, she doesn't contact anyone including her parents because this is Ishita who when she tried to kill herself all those years ago believed the worst she could about herself coming from the man who she loves more than anyone, including Ruhi in this world...those words from the world combined couldnt break her to this degree but coming from Raman, they were more than words, they were more than insults meant to belittle her - they were weapons that killed her, coming from him they weren't just labels anymore - they were what she perceived to be the worst things about her - it was as if everything that she always fought against suddenly overpowered her, because the worst thing that could happen to her DID and at the hands of the one person who made her think otherwise.</font>


<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Her pain and grief were simply not taken into account instead she was branded the culprit here - just because she wasnt the one who bore Ruhi, because Ruhi didnt happen to be her flesh and blood. Her identity as a woman, a mother and a wife which were interconnected questioned and crushed together in one go in the most cruel way possible at the hands of the one man who had the most absolute power over her heart.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">The staying away all these years was the result of his words and also, the belief of them - plus some innate sense of self- preservation, because that is what kicked in here too.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Ishita wants to go back to Raman no doubt, the point of his drunken talks was to let her know the REALITY of his condition but also she has known this man more than anyone else... she knows he is capable of pouring his heart out in this state but when sober he would be as vicious as he was vulnerable drunk and she can't deal with those barbs again, they have the power to destroy her and I think to a certain extent there' some extent of anger in Ishita too - her words - he threw me out felt so to me...</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Her dream tonight was to have a SOBER Raman, HAPPY to welcome her back but she says, this wouldnt ever become a reality - because she knows this man, she knows he would break than bow down and admit, he needs her as much and misses her as much as she does sober...</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">And Ishita doesnt want to beg him to keep her, it's not just about self respect but because it's humiliating to even imagine to beg your own husband to have you, love you...Ishita never did that even in YHM 1.0 - interestingly, the first time she mentions the word Mohabbat to Raman is when Mani comes into the picture - in a scene where she's asking him to come to a party at Mani's and as Raman refuses she says I never ask anything of you, can't you do so much for me? Kaunsi badi Mohabbat maangi hai maine aapse?</font>
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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">She wants him to want her back and she knows his anger if nothing else wont allow him to admit that and to a certain extent his ego, because Raman hates showing he is vulnerable to anyone, which is why he is rude and mean to everyone around him including his parents - he cannot stand to look defeated which is what vulnerability is akin to him...</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Ishita cannot keep him perpetually drunk to make him want her or say he misses her and right now she's using the words he said as the perfect excuse to reason with her own heart that is asking her to stay back.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">She is hurt and that hurt is what is also making her want to protect herself now, she's allowed this man to destroy her once, she cannot allow that again...</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">In their airport confession scene, which I do say is a confession scene though the formal words werent uttered there we have Ishita say Raman introduced her to a new Ishita or a new facet of herself - she realized within her was an Ishita who is stubborn, who is capable of anger and can be volatile and a fighter - and that is what will I think slowly happen here.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Ishita who is running away for her own peace of mind and preservation at some point turn offensive too because the issues these two have cannot be solved only by the efforts or apology of just one - but for that to happen - they have to collide first - there has to be friction which cannot happen if Ishita plays martyr as you put it always or keeps trying to opt for escapism and when she realizes that it is a moot point to try and run now, when it would be futile to even try to do so - she would emerge to fight back and that is something I am hoping for...</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Cause Raman in his anger and grief questioned her motherhood and stripped away the right she had to feel the loss of Ruhi, the pain of it - by claiming that pain, that loss, Ishita would reclaim her motherhood and that is I suppose what can help these two heal in the long run, cause issues kept on the backburner wont disappear, even if they seem to have resolved which is imperative for this marriage to revive andresuscitate.</font>




You hit the nail on the head! Precisely my thoughts! How I wish you wouldn't have stopped!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: QueSeraSera

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Hey Zoya

A lovely post again and I concur

The way I see it Ishita took the decision to leave again for a simple reason - she's trying to protect herself.

We often have seen Ishita being accused of being too good or too selfless for her own good... but this is Ishita at her selfish best, this is Ishita who ran away seven years ago and yes, she doesn't contact anyone including her parents because this is Ishita who when she tried to kill herself all those years ago believed the worst she could about herself coming from the man who she loves more than anyone, including Ruhi in this world...those words from the world combined couldnt break her to this degree but coming from Raman, they were more than words, they were more than insults meant to belittle her - they were weapons that killed her, coming from him they weren't just labels anymore - they were what she perceived to be the worst things about her - it was as if everything that she always fought against suddenly overpowered her, because the worst thing that could happen to her DID and at the hands of the one person who made her think otherwise.


Her pain and grief were simply not taken into account instead she was branded the culprit here - just because she wasnt the one who bore Ruhi, because Ruhi didnt happen to be her flesh and blood. Her identity as a woman, a mother and a wife which were interconnected questioned and crushed together in one go in the most cruel way possible at the hands of the one man who had the most absolute power over her heart.

The staying away all these years was the result of his words and also, the belief of them - plus some innate sense of self- preservation, because that is what kicked in here too.

Ishita wants to go back to Raman no doubt, the point of his drunken talks was to let her know the REALITY of his condition but also she has known this man more than anyone else... she knows he is capable of pouring his heart out in this state but when sober he would be as vicious as he was vulnerable drunk and she can't deal with those barbs again, they have the power to destroy her and I think to a certain extent there' some extent of anger in Ishita too - her words - he threw me out felt so to me...

Her dream tonight was to have a SOBER Raman, HAPPY to welcome her back but she says, this wouldnt ever become a reality - because she knows this man, she knows he would break than bow down and admit, he needs her as much and misses her as much as she does sober...

And Ishita doesnt want to beg him to keep her, it's not just about self respect but because it's humiliating to even imagine to beg your own husband to have you, love you...Ishita never did that even in YHM 1.0 - interestingly, the first time she mentions the word Mohabbat to Raman is when Mani comes into the picture - in a scene where she's asking him to come to a party at Mani's and as Raman refuses she says I never ask anything of you, can't you do so much for me? Kaunsi badi Mohabbat maangi hai maine aapse?


She wants him to want her back and she knows his anger if nothing else wont allow him to admit that and to a certain extent his ego, because Raman hates showing he is vulnerable to anyone, which is why he is rude and mean to everyone around him including his parents - he cannot stand to look defeated which is what vulnerability is akin to him...

Ishita cannot keep him perpetually drunk to make him want her or say he misses her and right now she's using the words he said as the perfect excuse to reason with her own heart that is asking her to stay back.

She is hurt and that hurt is what is also making her want to protect herself now, she's allowed this man to destroy her once, she cannot allow that again...

In their airport confession scene, which I do say is a confession scene though the formal words werent uttered there we have Ishita say Raman introduced her to a new Ishita or a new facet of herself - she realized within her was an Ishita who is stubborn, who is capable of anger and can be volatile and a fighter - and that is what will I think slowly happen here.

Ishita who is running away for her own peace of mind and preservation at some point turn offensive too because the issues these two have cannot be solved only by the efforts or apology of just one - but for that to happen - they have to collide first - there has to be friction which cannot happen if Ishita plays martyr as you put it always or keeps trying to opt for escapism and when she realizes that it is a moot point to try and run now, when it would be futile to even try to do so - she would emerge to fight back and that is something I am hoping for...

Cause Raman in his anger and grief questioned her motherhood and stripped away the right she had to feel the loss of Ruhi, the pain of it - by claiming that pain, that loss, Ishita would reclaim her motherhood and that is I suppose what can help these two heal in the long run, cause issues kept on the backburner wont disappear, even if they seem to have resolved which is imperative for this marriage to revive and resuscitate.



You have encapsulated her pain and loss so eloquently. In reality the loss of a child has the ability to rip a couple apart. It happens very often. But as you said, Raman's words made it seem as though she had no right to grieve. In the chaos of that moment, she wanders off thinking she is not even capable of crying her heart out on her husband's shoulder, because he himself blames her. It's heartbreaking that all the sacrifices she makes in the end are in vain. Because she will never be related to two of her children by blood. It's heartbreaking to think that simply the same blood running through her veins could have saved her from the ammunition Raman used that day. And I too hope we see more of Ishita in this track as in the beginning of the show. We need JKR 2.0 because she needs to fight back, scream, shout, otherwise the sadness, anger, resentment will eat her alive.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Nice write up.
I differ on few accounts. I would have loved if the reason for staying away was Ishita's hurt as woman, as a mother and as a wife. She has chosen to stay away from her kids, parents, family. Is the assumption of "hurting Raman" be big enough from her motherhood or her duty as a daughter? Selflessness is ambiguous , everyone is selfish ..Ishita's fears should have had a bigger tangible. I would have loved if this was about her insecurity about her relationship with Raman, her worth there and her apprehension in being treated badly again , this should be shown , not extrapolated.

Both have erred but then the time jump they have taken is too big. 7 years, she has stayed away from her kids and parents. You need to tangibly support it. Thats where writing failed Ishita.

I am not a big fan of using character traits to justify plot conflicts after a point. Because it hinders character progression and story development. This becomes annoying on-screen and in books too. Take your fav show or book, it's always been a point A, point b to Point C scenario. Thats where these two sometimes are treated shabbily by the cvs. They don't show a mature Ishita or Raman, if you have to go back to their basic traits to explain the actions. As a story thats a fail.

Personally, i want conversations. Anger, both of them talking it out. Right now they are not in a position to jump back into the old equation. Team up for kids, but be away for a bit, try to re-connect on an individual basis and don't go back to the old template. Mature a bit individually and that will aid their love story more.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Another brilliant post
Loved your view
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Posted: 9 years ago
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amazing write up agree wid u completely👏👏
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I totally agree with the topic maker. It is easy to feel Raman's pain now & bash ishita for running away to Australia. Raman's ugly words together with the loss of her child led her to end her life. What if Ishita had died in that suicide attempt. Raman hasnt shown no remorse for what he said about Ishita. His treatment of the Iyers shows that. I wish to see Ishita angry at Raman.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Divan-holic

I always love your writing
today I do agree with you , I knkw she is not wrong in her thinking. She is leaving raman bcoz of his happiness.
she Still remembers those words but Why did not she remember his yesterday's word , I know these were not in sober condition but these words were true .
As you said that Ishita is doing what a human does , I do agree with you but these cvs never portray ishita as a human they always treated her as A super women or an angel.All I can say that ishra are not wrong this time but situation is wrong .I think so they should face this Situation .They need to talk and confront each other and pour out their hearts with each other.


I think she did say that she wants to be with Raman and it is difficult for her not to do it - but I think her main issue is that she knows Raman is married to Shagun. We know he is not. So she does not want to enter into their family, even though Raman is not happy. Once she knows Raman is not married, her views will change.
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Hi,I really wanna read your take on surrogacy.Missed it.But I need to say the imp factor involving ishu's 7 year hiatus.Pl don't forget her medical problem linked to stress(one of the factors).
When the story can give so much importance to her infertility ,then this goes hand in hand as this was the cause of it.W hy is no one addressing this and holding on to the fact that she ran away.She needed this break to clear her mind of the stressful married life she was leading and mani gave her that .Ishu was back to having herself occupied with her dental profession.One of the important advice that a psychiatrist gives is to stay away from negativity.(ishu attempted suicide).Having recuperated she is relaxed and able to think clearly only now.Of how her life could be and how even a small pointer can back track her thoughts.
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Hi,I really wanna read your take on surrogacy.Missed it.But I need to say the imp factor involving ishu's 7 year hiatus.Pl don't forget her medical problem linked to stress(one of the factors).
When the story can give so much importance to her infertility ,then this goes hand in hand as this was the cause of it.W hy is no one addressing this and holding on to the fact that she ran away.She needed this break to clear her mind of the stressful married life she was leading and mani gave her that .Ishu was back to having herself occupied with her dental profession.One of the important advice that a psychiatrist gives is to stay away from negativity.(ishu attempted suicide).Having recuperated she is relaxed and able to think clearly only now.Of how her life could be and how even a small pointer can back track her thoughts.




Hey, this is the link to my surrogacy post, it was an attempt to analyse the madness, so obviously you may disagree 😊
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4620702
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sarsyed

Wonderful post 👏

Like I said before ishita thinks so inferior about herself or thinks she is the cause for most of the problems in raman's life.

RAMAN did everything to make her feel wanted /loved and secure everytime but the words he said eventually are so etched in her mind and she can't forget that bcoz that's how the world made her feel worthless everytime except for raman and ruhi and with those words she went back to square one.

It's like raman built the bubble and he burst it too

Hearing the same from raman was like a confirmation for her that she is indeed nothing but a pain in everyone's life.

That's how any individual with any kind of inability be it physical or mental reacts...it's very tough to make them believe that they are worthy.

Honestly I was quite disappointed with the comments blaming why did she run away again after seeing raman in pain ...if we can see raman 's pain we should see to what extent she is in pain too.

As a ishra lover all I can say is they both are at fault definitely and the way they are dealing with it is so wrong but then that's how the show will run else it would be end of YHM



Amazing post...

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