17.9.15 - Ishra: Hum Bane, Tum Bane Ek Dooje Ke Liye :)

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gravshrav23

@gravshrav23

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Posted: 10 years ago

There are so many questions that I have in my mind after watching today's episode.

I understand Ishita feels blessed she is a mother to two wonderful kids- Adi and Ruhi and doesn't feel the need to have a child of her own, and that she is content and all...but WHY does she look so UNBOTHERED? Its one thing accepting your fate and trying to move on in life...its another to behave as if the past few days have not happened at all and fate had been sending you its choicest benevolent gifts😕...its like she booked the tickets to the latest blockbuster and continuously found the theatre housefull...and noncalantly shrugged, "Koi baat nai...picture hi toh hai"..am sorry am having to use such crude examples, but that's EXACTLY how it seems to me

I say this w.r.t her 'adventures' tracking down Ashok's factory (where he has apparently hired children and making them work their arse off like slaves) and trying to gather concrete evidence against him, to land him behind the bars. WHY DOES SHE NEED TO GO GET INTO THIS SUPERWOMAN MODE AGAIN? I am getting TIRED of her behaviour...honestly...why cant she give it a rest?😡 She can very well go to the goddamn clinic and try to engage herself in other pursuits no? Why THIS? How will it quell Raman's pain or for that matter even BUILD a strong case against Ashok?

The writing is so bad and unnatural these days...we, as an audience should have been pining for Ishita...but naeen...we are banging our heads thinking WHY she is behaving like it was no big deal at all? And just because we have been complaining, right before Raman opts for surrogacy, the CVs will decide to show how SHATTERED Ishita is...how will we connect to the character THEN after this time lapse? Are they idiots??😡

That swine didn't get jailed for attempting marital rape (however UNsanctified his marriage to Mihika may have been, it was a marriage😕), didn't get thrashed for trying to molest Ishita TWICE (once during the Bachelor party and again a few weeks ago), got away with his schemes even during the August 15 Ministry Contract wala track, got away with implicating Chand instead for trying to murder Bhalla family though having instigated him fully. The only thing that's common in what happens in his life is, he goes to jail, spends a night or two and comes back fresh and stupid as ever😆

And Ishita and ACP think they will have a SOLID case against him using the ruse of child labour huh? Molestation, bribing, assault, attempt to murder weren't grounds enough so now Children's Rights have to be brought in??

How much LAMER can the script get?!

WHEN WILL I GET THE GOOD FORTUNE OF SEEING ISHITA BEHAVE LIKE A NORMAL WOMAN? She is almost behaving APATHETICALLY now...and I thought this was a baby she and Raman conceived out of LOVE? Then why aren't we being shown quiet, solitary moments of her swimming through this phase...remembering it all...shedding a tear or two? Is it too much to ask? I am tired of this pseudo-superwomangiri...I'd rather see a REAL woman with REAL reactions😡😡

Today's altercation between Ashok and Raman proved ONE thing to me...NOBODY loves and GETS Raman like this pig Ashok does😆😆..I mean, since the time the miscarriage has happened, Raman has been blaming himself each minute of the day, for being unable to protect his wife and the baby...and today at the party Ashok hit the nail right on the head. He not only called Ishita 'baanjh', but he also remarked that prolly Raman wasn't man enuff to protect his wife...she should've married someone else.

I was wondering - the party had SO many dignitaries present...even if Ashok is a rascal, his image before the world is that of a polished, suave businessman...how does he STILL get to do business with the things he says in public??? He gets away with calling somebody's else's wife 'baanjh' and people are unruffled???Like its an everyday thing to say huh??😡 He got exposed before the press during the Ministry contract wala thing and STILL people dont feel like kicking him to the curb when he ends up at these high-end parties?? They actually allow him to SPEAK??

And I understand Raman couldn't take it when Ashok said such mean, derogatory things about his wife...as a dutiful, loving husband he did what ANY man in his place would have done. Not ONCE in the past 7+ years has Khanna left Raman to his own devices...not ONCE has he let go of a chance to provoke this man...he is a reminder of all those things that made Raman retreat into a shell of his own till Ishita Iyer came in his life, and turned him around...so yes, Raman did the right thing giving it back to him at the party...In fact, I was expecting Ashok to get slapped hard for the siyappa he was doing😡

What I have an issue with is the AFTERMATH. How Raman behaved AFTER he left the party...all he could think of was Ashok's words...and how he really was a loser, unable to do anything for his wife...how HE was the one who led his wife to this miserable, sorry fate...how HE could have prevented the damage from happening...

And while I understand he is deeply pained by what happened, I dont understand why he is holding HIMSELF guilty for it. The fact that Ishita COULD have been a mother and now prolly wont be one, has latched on to his mind in an obsessive fashion and he is desperate to make this dream come true...no matter what...

I realized today. that both Ishita and Raman love each other dearly...but are in two different worlds right now. Ishita WAS carrying the baby and lost it but doesn't look a fraction of what happened with her...she looks ALMOST unruffled..."good riddance" types and Raman looks OBSESSED. They just dont GET each other right now...which is weird, coz ideally...couples dont get into baby-making OR social service right after such a traumatic event...Why cant there be a balance?? Why does it always have to be one end or the other?😕

I really think Raman is going mad with grief now...and behaving very irrationally as well. His wife JUST suffered a miscarriage...how and why does he think she would want to biologically or even VICARIOUSLY (if surrogacy happens) want to go through this experience NOW? Doesn't it take time? But then I kinda dont blame Raman entirely...because Ishita doesn't exactly look like she is withering into a dry flower or something...she goes about her day like the last few days haven't happened...like it was just a nightmare...like it wasn't a particularly big loss.😔

And he thinks she is only keeping it inside coz she's strong...I have an intuition it would all be fine if ONCE, ONLY once Ishita would bare her soul to him...tell him how she felt exactly...tell him about HER broken hopes and aspirations...so in a way, if he is getting all figdety and hasty and clueless and confused and hell-bent on fulfilling his wife's 'dream', its due in part to Ishita as well...

If one's spouse doesn't COMMUNICATE properly on certain issues, it can drive the other into a wall😕

ACP considers Raman a good friend...and he lets the drunken man sleep on the bench outside in a bedraggled state..in full public view?? Dimag kahan rehta hai in sab ka??😲

The ONLY thing that Ishita said I agree with is - Ashok Khanna isn't important enough to make Raman think little of himself...or feel guilty or whatever..that he wasn't that important to determine the relationship he has with Ishita...I really feel its HIGH TIME Raman STOP getting affected by that loser's words...

Ashok ALWAYS succeeds in provoking him...I have realized it myself - the more you react, the more vulnerable you appear to someone who wants to take advantage of you and egg you on even more. Its not a good thing. In fact, I liked the Raman who dealt in the most badass way with Khanna right after the consummation thing...he nabbed Ashok very strategically😆👏

KP was FABULOUS today!👏👏👏 The scene in the rain, where he was looking up heavenwards and venting his heart out, cursing God for the misfortunes in Ishita's life...brilliant!👏 This has been done countless times in Hindi movies and YET Raman managed to make me cry, it didnt look ONE bit insincere or filmy or whatever...It really looked like Raman was conversing with the hand that sort of sealed his and his wife's fate this way...it shook me up...to see how RAW this absolutely stunning man's emotions are...😭😭 how he faltered in his steps, his eyes intense and red, you could make out the tears even when the rain was pouring down on him...

The way it stabs him in the chest when someone calls his wife barren...this is a man madly, irrevocably in love with Ishita...and I shudder to think what can happen if she ever leaves him..by choice or by circumstance...there was this scene where they hugged tight...Raman, holding on to her fearing she might slip away...there was so much passion and NEED in that embrace...gave me shivers down my spine...👏👏

Even my hubby couldn't resist saying today - Karan Patel is a fantastic actor!!👏

DT was BRILLIANT too in the last scene! After days, we got see them together in the same frame for SO LONG! 😉😛 The warmth, Ishita's loving concerned looks at her husband, her sincerity and purity when she said, "Main aapse bahut pyaar karti hun" and "Aap mere hi layak hain aur main aapke layak hun"...it made me clammy and senti inside...she cradled him like a baby, soothing his fears, reassuring him...WHEN WILL WE SEE RAMAN REASSURING ISHITA YAAR?? I truly feel, the way Ishita told him she loved him was MORE spontaneous, more heartfelt than when she ACTUALLY confessed (cupboard mein😆) that she loved him...there was so much understanding and reverence for this man...she was getting swept away in his love..in all the little and great things he does for her...there was so much love when she shouted at him in the car, when she supported him as his steps were faltering, when she cradled his heart and assured him of her love...and the mightiest was - when she told him only HE was worth her...and nobody else...its like, "Tum kuch bhi keh lo...tumhare liye toh main hi hun aur mere liye tum"...there was so much apnapan in that bit...v v well executed!!👏👏👏

And though it was a heart-rending scene, it had a subtle hint of sensousness in it as well...the two drenched in rain, in each other's arms, finding solace in each other's eyes...lovely! If ONLY the Mohabbatein between them attained a level of sanity where Raman and Ishita behaved closer to normal😆 I'd be happier!

That said, the LOVE and the trust between the two is just PALPABLE...And while I admire Ishita's strength, sometimes, just sometimes..it feels nice to also be at the receiving end and cry into ur hubby's shoulders...you dont always have to be the strong one.😕

I couldn't post the review yest...but I had a niggling question - WHERE DID MANOJ GET HIS DEGREE FROM? Honestly..he calls himself a DOCTOR??😡 WHICH doctor in the world just JUMPS to surrogacy as an option instead of trying out every other treatment on the block??? Why the f is he in such a hurry??

As for Rinki, am damn sure she is seeing someone behind her hubby's back...what else would the L size shirt be doing in her brown paperbag when Mihir doesn't even wear that size?? This is getting interesting day by day...would like to see WHO this guy is...who's completely ransacked her brains!!😳 I hope Simmi finds out about it.. I wonder how Toshi is gonna react to this😉

And Raman, PLEASE give the baby a rest...and Ishita, PLEASE dont behave like Mother Teresa...do us a favour and atleast show SOME tendencies of someone who has undergone a trauma...

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Maya

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Posted: 10 years ago

Hi Akanksha,

Nice review but kind of short for your standard and I missed you gushing of Raman in white shirt and baby pink suit

I am just copying and pasting what I typed in Nidhi post because I don't have anything more to add to it.

Initially I was upset too that they have made Raman to feel guilty and Ishita not to care about the baby still I am angry at them at least for Raman they have given valid reason for him to be guilty but with Ishita they have made her look like the baby was a burden to her so I am hoping they give at least a monologue of her thinking about the baby it doesn't even have to be in tears just a happy thought will also do because then at least we will come to know she cares for the baby.

I wanted Ishita to breakdown and Raman handling her but YHM have been always breaking the norm of the society has in its place so when I saw today episode I felt yeah just like Param track where the family accepted the DIL and threw out the SIL which is not common practice because no matter what they always support the SIL even if it his mistake here also they are breaking the tradition of why does the husband always have to be an emotional anchor in cases of family crisis why cannot the wife be husband emotional anchor and the husband can leave his maccho image and break down in front of his wife during an emotional crisis in the world.

In this crisis Ishita become the emotional anchor to Raman and Raman became the person who needed support breaking the norm it was brilliantly done.

On a side note this is SEP 17 exactly one year before on the same day Ishita was feeling miserable because of Shagun taunts and Raman was comforting Ishita in the rain which is the ever best dance of IshRa and one year later on the same date we have Raman feeling miserable because of Ashok taunts and Ishita comforting him in the rain saying to him that they deserve each other and they love each in contrast to that day when even though they loved each other they could not express but today all the emotions were visible for each other to see.

This was brilliantly portrayed by KP and DT superb acting👏👏

Having said that I don't like Raman coming into Ashok words time and again Ishita was correct in telling him that if you want to punish him ignore his words that would be the biggest punishment for him because after that he want be able to manipulate Raman.

I don't like Raman talking about surrogacy at all mainly because this IshRa baby track was many fans dream track and they have royally butchered it I am still watching the show because it is just a build up only but the day they have confirmed that surrogacy is going to happen via Shagun that would be the last day I would be watching even this powerful IshRa magic cannot make me watch that crap.

I am hoping this talk of surrogacy will lead to finally Ishita pouring out her pain.

Coming to today episode

It was sheer brilliance of KP and DT acting abilities.

The only gripe I have with this episode is Ishita kissed Raman but they didn't show it properly instead it looked like a hug I found out that was kiss from the picture posted then went and watched the episode for that particular scene.

They way Raman was fighting with god for her happiness and asking him to leave when Ishita slapped him and he literally falling at her feet she bends to hug him and comfort him and repeating numerous times that she loves him and she deserves him there hug was so beautiful.

I just wish the surrogacy drama was not hanging on top of the head making me wondering how long will I be able to watch my favorite show.

Finally my review after my gushing.

I am still waiting for the continuation of Raman/ Mihika talk and Ishita listening in the precap the next day we didn't even get what happened to that pre cap I thought after his talk with Mihika Ishita would either show her pain or talk to Raman

I understand why Ishita wants Ashok to be punished because he puts his whole family in danger I am kind of liking this part of Ishita post C she has become some what vindictive and not always forgiving the person who are hurting her family first she went in search of Shagun to give it back to her for all the taunts she gave her now she is going after Ashok now I feel Ishita is becoming human and not some Jahan Mata who keeps forgiving everyone this shows that Ishita is becoming possessive of her family and is will turn into a sher if something threatens her life.

I was okay till Ishita found out about the factory and told Abhischek but I was not happy when she said she would be accompanying him what is with her let the police do their work. I was happy when ACP she cannot come otherwise I would have been mad. She did not tell Ashok about the constable who is in Ashok pocket revealed to him that she was the source of the information.

I also felt that Rinki was talking to her ex-boyfriend because when her stupid friend commented that her boyfriend was some super rich boy-friend and her husband is nothing that is when all the misunderstanding with the family started and Simmi found a expensive shirt so my first thought was also probably he has come back and it is going to be repeat cycle of Mihir-Rinki-Raman instead of Raman-Shagun-Mihir waiting to see how the track unfolds I guess this is going to test Mihir/Raman relationship I want that to be intact that is only relationship they haven't butchered so far and I hope they keep it same and not run behind trp by butchering that relationship it is one of the strongest bond in yhm of nature Vs nurturer

After my rant about above as to why Raman is so getting affected still by Ashok I get where he is coming from even though I feel Raman should ignore him that would be the greatest revenge Raman can take against Ashok.

Raman was already feeling guilty that he left her alone in the bus for the last minute he somehow feels that if he was with her in the bus instead of the ground somehow he could have saved her and the baby together but when Ashok announced to the world that his wife is called Baanj a word which he hates most it bothers him more than Ishita because now it has become his pain rather than Ishita He pours so much love on her she doesn't even bother about other or whatever name they are calling her she feels complete because of his love but on the other hand Raman cannot take any insult on his beloved because he knows she doesn't deserve the tag because he know how good a mother she is so when Ashok taunted him about his manhood even though he was angry he said he doesn't have to give him any explanation and when Ashok taunted about saying that he could not protect his family he got angry and said to him see who is going to protect you from me but when Ashok said Ishita is baanj all control flew of puttar and he grabbed Ashok collar.

I don't have words to describe Ishita/Raman scene it was so intense, powerful and beautifully enacted but the editing wise I am not happy because I couldn't see the kiss properly

Ishita was angry while taking him back she ranted that he behaved like a teenager and should have left him the police station and Raman being RKB took it literally and got out of the car and told her leave him here to die because that is what he deserves immediately Ishita anger vanished and she started consoling him saying sorry to him and trying to console him.

Raman was fighting with god for her happiness when he said he loves her so much and immediately asked her to leave him begging her as he knows fully well that she would not leave him in any circumstances and Ishita slapping him for even him suggesting her to go away from their lives and he falling at her feet and she holding him and telling him that she loves him was such a powerful scene I got connected with the scene more than the hug.

When Raman picked up the bottle her face fell which was noticed by Raman even in that stupor and threw the bottle away to see her smile which she did and hugged him and even while hugging her it was nice to see that he was fighting with god for her happiness and for Ishita to feel blissful in his love was a nice scene.

I am hoping at least tomorrow we will get to see how Ishita really felt about the baby

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-Atii-

@-Atii-

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Posted: 10 years ago

RES OMFG

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I've talked enough about todays episode so I'll just leave this here..

"If you can take away her happiness, then I love her so much, without you, I will give her all the happiness" <---- my FAVORUITE Raman dialogue!!!

Nice review Aka! don't agree with some stuff, but difference of opinions...😆😆

About todays episode...

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@Drydaisydame

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Posted: 10 years ago

I totally Agree wid you..What shocks me most is how da hell Ishita is behaving so so normal.

Fine if she accepts it as God's will..but not even once before this she felt broken for losing their LOVE baby..I mean she didnt react a bit after she got to know about dis..How come a women doesnt react a bit?? This was Their Dream child..Raman is Natural and visibly broken..I agree his obsession for child needs a break now..but when he asks Ishita to share her pain she didnt..why?? Instead she said She isnt sad at all..Its fine if u r happy wid the two kids but this was ur baby too..Even today she asked him to come out of it...But how can she be so normal as nothing happened..I couldnt relate at all..But yes this RAIN SEWUENCE WAS THE MOST AMAZING ONE..KP Nailed it..He STOLE THE SHOW and Then her dialogues comforting him..HUGS..INTENSITY was their..LOVED IT

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Svati12

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Posted: 10 years ago

Nyc review bt i dnt totally agree wid u... Today ws a nyc epi indeed...

Ishra scene perfect n words wud b less to describe dat so betr nt say anythng !!! ❤️

Rinky bag had "L" size shirt so may be its akashdeep only as he has bigger built dn mihir or i feel its her australia wala frnd shamit...

Simmi is suspicious n i think wud look into rinky's matter

I dnt understnd one thing as ashok didnt get d 15aug contract n ws jailed for rape accusation in front of press n dn also he has been invited in d functn n d ministries r also dere... I wonder hw cum...

Ashok dosnt seem lyk a business man rather a CHUGALKHOR BAI !!! 😆 Atlst suraj is nt lyk him...

No shagun or manoj scene...

Ds ashok has sources evrywhr n dat hawaldaar lukd lyk dat only while ishita informd acp about ashok...

Dese r certain points i noticed... Ishra scene one of d best till date... Vry RAW !!!!

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BombayTroll

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Posted: 10 years ago

I have to say that

You have been hitting the nail on the head from last few days

I can't say much about today as I haven't seen the episode

But last few episodes you have been bang on

I feel Raman would be at peace if ishita shares her pain with him

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gravshrav23

@gravshrav23

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: --mancityfan--
I have to say that

You have been hitting the nail on the head from last few days

I can't say much about today as I haven't seen the episode

But last few episodes you have been bang on

I feel Raman would be at peace if ishita shares her pain with him

Hey Mancity!

I guess this is the first time you've commented on my thread :)

thanks for the compliment...

I too feel Ishita needs to talk it out with Raman...and I wud have believed that she is devastated and mournful inside, only if she was shown to be thinking about it in solitude...only if she was shown that it DID affect her in some way...

but yahan toh the CVs have given her such weird lines...and weird reactions...she keeps saying she is happy and content and a complete woman and doesn't want more in life...keeps asking Raman to forget what happened...when truth be told, HW is it possible to just forget something so traumatic that has hapened???

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Nidoo

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Posted: 10 years ago

Yaar if you're posting a review, let me know beforehand, I'll post my ram-kathas here only then 😆 😳

The episode, mesmerising

Coming to your review, agree with some, disagree with some, but loved it in entirety 😳 👏

Not putting up a detailed reply today, because hands already tired 😆 Will pick up some parts and respond 😳

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Mdwst

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Posted: 10 years ago

I knew it. I knew u would make a post today.

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gravshrav23

@gravshrav23

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: -Nidoo-
Yaar if you're posting a review, let me know beforehand, I'll post my ram-kathas here only then 😆 😳

The episode, mesmerising

Coming to your review, agree with some, disagree with some, but loved it in entirety 😳 👏

Not putting up a detailed reply today, because hands already tired 😆 Will pick up some parts and respond 😳

RES

Hahahaha! These days I am posting late coz the power always seems to go off at 7.30 dot😕

and then I get to watch it only at 11...

I usually ping others on my Whatsapp when I post the review (earlier I used to be damn fast with it)...want me to do the same for u?😆😆 I dont wanna miss ur ram-kathas...its like two reviews under a single thread😆😆😆

Thanks dear! today was a very dicey episode in a way...it wasn't the usual kinds where u cud say WHO was right, and who was wrong...but yes, ONE thing we all agree on unanimously is IshRa scene...which easily took up more than half the epi😛

the way the rain was beating down on them, the passion and intensity in Ishu's eyes...the righteous anger and swelling love in Raman's words...gestures..eyes...it was a magical moment!

V V WELL EXECUTED!!👏👏👏

And yes, reply on the parts u've picked for scrutiny😉😃