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Posted: 10 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: -Anku-

Like someone said I'd like it too if they made Ishita expressive as a wife. Planning alone time for herself and Raman. To talk, to romance, just to have some time for ONLY them. If for nothing, at least to make him feel special. He's been doing a lot lately and not that I doubt Ishita's love for him, but just love isn't enough at times. Expressing is as important.

I think Ishita said right, that its a joke😆And kept the phone away. She was merely kidding.

Coming back the insecurities, they REALLY need to focus on it. If she's willing to go ahead, fine then do so. If not then don't shun it with comedy as an excuse. Go a step ahead and be mature about it. State if not in very bold words but indirectly, what holds her back.

A person whose had a past full of rejections only because she couldn't procreate, obviously has some hesitation and if her husband is asking her for permission to go ahead, is curious if she's ready, she should be expressive. What hurts so far is that Raman has had the best character development and healing. He spoke and confided, about his pain earlier and now his love to Ishita. But Ishita still remains a closed book over the last year and a half. Why can't she open up? What stops the creatives from approaching it? Is there even one good reason😕

I have no good answer, and I don't think anyone else does. From watching other prime time soaps with my mom, female leads are supposed to be strong pillars of righteousness so I don't think serious insecurities fit well if that's the model the CVs hope to chase. It's a pity if they do continue to brush over her vulnerability, but when was the last time we, as viewers, saw her vulnerable about herself? Lohri? Their anniversary?

She was vulurnable during the child swap because she lost her daughter. Yes, her identity was ripped from her but we did not such much focus on that aspect from my recollection of that track.

There is a lot of potential to make Ishita real, and maybe the aftermath of the earthquake+fire can lead to that?

But this same question about what keeps the creatives from approaching certain topics/themes applies to a lot from Adi to Mihir-Rinki-Mihika to Romi. Unfortunately it's their story to speedily tell, so if they want revenge stories and love triangles...that's what we get. 😕

Thanks for clarifying the Ruhi dialog! I just took a study break to watch that one scene...and sped watched it too for now, so I probably missed the clarification! 😃

Edited by krishy13 - 10 years ago

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Posted: 10 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: ---CoCo---
Res

---Edited---
How will I say who you are

How will I say who you are

You are the thief of my heart

Why should I find you in the stars

As you already live in my heart

I know there are many stars in the sky

Tell the sky don't do ranjish(I don't know what that means)

Because my star is the most beautiful

~Raman Kumar Bhalla
Word G! You are not a damper. I agree with you. The cvs are horrible at building an romantic atmosphere. The poem is really beautiful and the nice was nice but something didn't feel right because they choose to add comedy. There is a time and place for comedy but it was not needed in this scene because it ruined a beautiful poem. The poem was enough to take over the whole scene. I wished they just focused on the romance.
I wish the cvs would stop being so bipolar with Ishita's character. One moment they show her excited about taking the next step and then show things like today. I wish they would show her having a mature conversation with Raman in which she tells him that she is excited but nervous and feels insecure. Its natural for inexperience women to feel that way so why can't the cvs show them having that conversation. Raman is an understanding husband and I can guarantee he would make his wife's insecurities go away.
The song choice I though was perfect for how there love story is but I wished they did pardesiya instead of that song or any other old day song. I actually love Romi and Mihika dance and song choice better. Having 70s-80s songs was a great choice from the cvs but I wish they did choice a different song for Ishra.
PS. I am actually enjoy watching Mihika and ACP! They are a breath of fresh air.

Thanks Coco for the translation of Puttar's poem...my hindi is not good .. Sorry can't help you with ranjishe.. The only part that was meaningful today .. But since I have unfortunatlely seen the OLV .. I know even sitara will lead to some comedy

Mature conversations are a rarity nowadays as rare are some good meaningful scenes that are given its due importance and not turned into something else with a comic follow up dialogue ... Or scenes... I'm sorry if I'm coming across as too harsh on YHM but when it comes to mature script YHm team itself set their standard of comparison... My brain is somehow still calibrated to the same expectation and when I don't get them.. I complain

Coco I have been not paying attention to that duo either..as I feel even that will be spoilt somehow 🤢😆

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Posted: 10 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: -II-

I agree, Gan. While they have beautifully conveyed Raman's perspective, the rejection he faced, his fears, his insecurities, and his healing so elaborately, where is Ishita's side of the story? How did she deal with her insecurities, how did she cope with all the rejections in her life? What is she going through after her beloved husband confessed his feelings, poured his heart out to her? Is she longing to spend some alone time with him? Is she nervous about their first night that her husband seems to be so excited about? Its easy for us to interpret Ishita's thoughts owing to her initial character sketch, but there has got to be some monologues or scenes reflecting her thoughts and feelings. I see no effort on the part of the CVs in conveying Ishita's inner turmoil.

I had hopes that the story may finally focus on Ishita's past and her journey when they re-introduced Subbu, but they conveniently rushed through it with just one mini-bench scene.

I have full faith in Ishita's love and loyalty towards Raman, but I am waiting for the day when Ishita would do something for Raman.. not for their kids or the family, but just him, something that conveys to him (and us) just how much she loves him and needs him, how important he is to her, and how much she wishes to spend time with him. I would love to see her pour her heart out to him some day, express what he means to her...Sigh!

Thank you for responding :)

@bold that would be quite wonderful right? As the original character sketch had promises of all that but somehow got replaced by this superwoman bahu that they have turned her into these days since the timeslot addition. Ishita raman had so many meaningful conversations when they were not so much in love with each other.. And now when they should be open to each other... Having heart to heart or if they show her feeling anxious or jittery.. It would mean quite a lot.. Thing is that if they write it well .. Ishita's state would be obvious to the viewers.. That it is not.. That Some folks are calling her indifferent .. Putting aside our bias , if we look at it objectively ..its a case of some poor writing and execution from the team that once had delivered some deeply sensitive and sensible track.

That's the sad part.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: Dmug

I agree with u that they need to focus on her insecurities through some meaningful scenes may be they are not doing it as they are planning to make it a proper track and focus on it in entirety so before that they are cleaning all the mess they have created till now!! That insecurity track will also lead to their baby just my thought not sure though!! And i seriously dnt feel ishita is insensetive towards his feelings she is just being indifferent bc she is not sure how to react she is afraid as well to take the lead what if she chickens out last moment that will leave both of them with sour taste so she is just going with the flow.. But i agree her internal conflict needs to reach the audiance else we are left to interprete on our own and that shows ishita in bad light!!

If i felt ishita is uncaring, I wouldn't have opened this post... I feel the cvs are failing in giving us a complete picture of ishita .. And that's not fair to her character or the balance of the story. It's been one and half years .. If the cvs are going to still drag it to bring a track which deals with Ishita's feelings, her issues.. I feel they are losing valuable time .. As you can only stretch things realistically.. After that it loses the elasticity of swinging back into the core of the story... They did the same with confession .. And now trying to do with the other C .. At the cost of blurring the sketch of one of their main protagonists.. That's the sad part .. Because Ishita's scars related to her past is also one heck of a story . If it's given its due respect.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#35

Originally posted by: -Gan-

Thanks Coco for the translation of Puttar's poem...my hindi is not good .. Sorry can't help you with ranjishe.. The only part that was meaningful today .. But since I have unfortunatlely seen the OLV .. I know even sitara will lead to some comedy

Mature conversations are a rarity nowadays as rare are some good meaningful scenes that are given its due importance and not turned into something else with a comic follow up dialogue ... Or scenes... I'm sorry if I'm coming across as too harsh on YHM but when it comes to mature script YHm team itself set their standard of comparison... My brain is somehow still calibrated to the same expectation and when I don't get them.. I complain

Coco I have been not paying attention to that duo either..as I feel even that will be spoilt somehow🤢😆

Ranjish means "hostile attitude. Which means he told stars don't do hostile attitude,Ishita who is my star most beautiful than other stars.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: -Anku-
I didn't mind anything shown today for a change, as compared to the complains I've been having lately.

Not every dance can be romantic, some have to be fun and just to let loose. And IshRa had some fun there. And since the theme was retro it even suited, so did the lyrics.

Coming to the hotel scene. I wasn't expecting anything. Knowing well we aren't getting a consummations scene soon. And Raman started with a poetry recital and it was hilarious, so if Ishita was adding to the fun, it was just cute. She didn't look hesitant to me at all. Not today at least. She could be shy but not hesitant of the coming proximity.

I for one thought Ishita and Raman are in a happy space having found one another and were reveling in the same. Although that's only my opinion.

Anku .. I guess I had some expectations .. As I always do when it comes to Ishra scenes .. And I didn't find any scene other than the part where Raman recites the poem .. That was relatable today... I usually am happy with 5 mins of good Ishra scene. Probably the overdose of comedy of late is the reason for me not to enjoy the scenes .. I don't know.. But I couldn't connect to Ishra scenes today ..

About the hotel scene .. The OLV had frankly killed it for me...not because I knew that C is not going to happen.. But for the fact that they have to infuse comedy in there too.. And it was not about ishita's hesitation or shyness( I rather would have preferred those) just the whole scene felt totally tilted to where Raman looked like he's alone in the readiness for next step .. Ishita was appearing more casual about it..when we know she's not.. Hence the disconnect.

And yaar no issues .. I have enjoyed the last few Ishra scenes when others haven't.. It's ok . With the writing not here nor there .. Different reactions for each of us are expected as its left a lot to viewer interpretation 🤔

Thanks Anku

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Posted: 10 years ago

#37

Just finished replying to my post sand hurried over here. I agree with you G.

Am not going to delve into anything serious right now. Too sleepy. But so agree about the dance.
I have never found an Ishra dance sequence so out of sync. Kinda wish hadn't watched it coz it just killed the little bit of Ishra that I still admired & watched the show for.

On top of it, its impossible to enjoy the episodes anymore. That "special" YHM especially the look & persona of RKB is just gone. He was this suave gentleman who was smouldering sexy and had an underlying charm. Today it looked like RKB was replaced by a tapori. Bas.

PS -- And I really wish they would stop giving dance sequences to DT till her foot recovers. Its just not fun to watch her struggling with a cane or WC & then dancing too.

PPS - G ...using your thread & ranting. But couldn't help it

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Posted: 10 years ago

#38

Guys wonderful discussions with views from both sides .. I'll respond to the rest of the posts later tonight .. But I truly am enjoying the differing perspectives ... 😊

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Indu

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Posted: 10 years ago

#39

Originally posted by: -Gan-

@bold that would be quite wonderful right? As the original character sketch had promises of all that but somehow got replaced by this superwoman bahu that they have turned her into these days since the timeslot addition. Ishita raman had so many meaningful conversations when they were not so much in love with each other.. And now when they should be open to each other... Having heart to heart or if they show her feeling anxious or jittery.. It would mean quite a lot.. Thing is that if they write it well .. Ishita's state would be obvious to the viewers.. That it is not.. That Some folks are calling her indifferent .. Putting aside our bias , if we look at it objectively ..its a case of some poor writing and execution from the team that once had delivered some deeply sensitive and sensible track.
That's the sad part.

Well said. You are right, there lacks a balance in the portrayal of the characters, sadly. Lately, ever since the time slot change, the writers have had a tendency to touch extremes with Raman and his impulsive nature and anger issues, Ishita with her "I can handle everything and don't feel the need to discuss with my husband" attitude, and her borderline insensitivity towards her husband's feelings.

When was the last time we saw these two have a heart-to-heart? Maybe their anniversary. Or Subbu's re-entry. I can't even remember. So many missed moments. There was so much potential to build their relationship, so many situations to show a slow and steady progress. But alas, never a dialogue, a conversation, a meaningful exchange. Whatever there was, was all in our imagination and perception. So many sensitive issues brushed aside with comedy or melodrama. Extremes.

There is a right time for everything. Otherwise the whole effect is lost or diluted. They had brought it along beautifully between IshRa - building trust, friendship, becoming companions..step by step. Then they somehow missed the boat with the confession and the progress towards consummation while dealing with Ishita's insecurities and anxiety.

Sadly, this is their story to tell, not mine or ours.

P.S. : I am sorry, Gan, that my first few posts in your thread and the forum come across as super-ranting ones. I will try to tone it down a little.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#40

Originally posted by: Anuhyaa

How beautifully you have written...
This is exactly what is needed from Ishita & the CVs...

THis is what we are waiting to see but somehow this never plays on the screen...
I don't know whether they are wantedly delaying it like buying time with all these comedy episodes...or are they bypassing these with the comedy episodes...Iam not sure what route the Cvs are taking...

I keep telling myself why would they skip such important stuff...when they have this much material to explore why do they ignore...so may be they are just delaying it...

But in all this delaying they are loosing the essence of IShra...Hope they realize that...

The last time IShita really opened up and poured out her heart to Raman was in the airport...After that I don't remember any incidents...

& also can they should really think about their narrative style...It has become predictable and repetitive...with the same scenarios going in rounds...