Raman's message to Ishita in the precap ;) *Raman's collage p 12 * - Page 5

Created

Last reply

Replies

119

Views

20.8k

Users

42

Likes

594

Frequent Posters

-Gan- thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 10 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Just posted this in the LU thread Gan hope you dont mind the copy paste 😳

I have mixed feelings as far as the precap is concerned.

Somehow, it did not seem to hit the mark for me as it should have.

With the confession from both the parties done now, the next sensible and expected step in this marriage was that of intimacy. They have fallen in love with each other, there' a mental, emotional connection between them as it is and so the next natural step in the progression of this marriage was its consummation which is a no-brainer, even if you ask that to a layman. Therefore, Puttar approaching Ishita with the obvious in mind is not shocking or unusual or even anything extraordinary; however, it is somehow the approach that gets to me.

I would have got it had it been purely done, shown out of the compulsions that come with the new time slot of the show, the constraints of this slot aren't questionable, had there been restrictions levied on the team perhaps by the channel as such too but that doesn't seem to be the case. This show has dared to broach the topic of safe sex in this very slot a couple of months ago when they had shown a packet of condoms that became a prop. Ishita already has known of his intentions to establish their relationship in this aspect for months now, she knows he wants her as a woman, as his wife, desires her as a man does...so it beats me why did they have to include the angle of having a baby here?

It isn't as if Ishita isn't aware of her husband desiring her, that she has no idea of his wish of having a baby with her too, as they already talked about this on their anniversary itself. So why should Raman send a message with the idea of wanting to have a baby with her when he clearly wants to take their relationship forward.

Sex isn't just about procreating in a marriage if that were the case people would have done it exactly as many times as the number of their babies...it's a means for a couple to bond, connect and express their love for each other in the physical aspect of a relationship. The desire to want someone, to submit yourself to them is the pinnacle of the love between a couple, why should it be only shown as a means to have a child?

Raman has sweet intentions at heart, it reflects in his message, comes across in the very wish that he had expressed on their anniversary when he said he wants to have a child with her. In his words, he writes their baby being a product of their love, which is beautiful certainly without the shot of a doubt but why couldn't be raised after their consummation or honeymoon or in the time around it?

Knowing that Ishita has slim chances of conceiving and that she's emotionally very fragile when it comes to this issue, it's her Achilles heel I believe the approach towards the need for intimacy in their marriage should have not been made with the angle of Raman thinking of a baby immediately.

Yes, they would need to try to have one but if the sole purpose of establishing their sexual life coming across as his need to have another child to her is very wrong as per me. Since she may not have a child perhaps given her medical condition, or it could take time as well if she does, but in any of these cases, this could be harrowing and depressing for Ishita in the end. If she takes it to her heart, mind too seriously, and should they fail to conceive or do so as soon as she expects it and even then there are complications with her pregnancy of which there are high chances it would be a nightmare of sorts for her. So far, Ishita has been shown to deal with her infertility on her own in a way, she has given Raman glimpses of what it makes her feel like but if she feels she is letting him down or the family after raising their hopes she may go spiraling down into a lot of stress and depression.

Raman could have had an alternate approach to this entire thing frankly, there could have been options for that. He could have got her a gift like he did for the rest of the family from the US...and it could have been something quite sexy and provocative - a night gown for example or a piece of lingerie or perhaps some sex toys or such. He could have sat her down to discuss plans for their impending honeymoon - that hasn't happened despite them being married for over a year now - and made her blush scarlet by his double entendres or straight forward talks. He could have rattled on about what he expects in those few days that they may get to steal and be away from everyone, not have a worry in the world nor their families around to bug them or their kids to disturb them...

And it's not like it would have looked downright crazy, hell it's a very realistic thing, couples who plan to wed talk about these things - here the couple in question is already married for heaven' sakes.

I get it that he wants Ishita to feel like a complete woman' - something that she doesn't believe in her mind, which isn't her assessment of self in her head but for that the idea of asking her to have a baby straightaway seems a little too rash to me somehow. Instead it would have been sweeter, amazing if they had went to this issue once their sexual life was established. It would have been amazing if Raman could have made Ishita feel like a complete woman', a desirable' woman without this approach and angle. He could have showed it to her how much he wants her, craves her when they finally performed the act itself, he could have done so by not allowing her any means to escape whenever he corners her. Their initialization into intimacy could have happened with some caresses, some smoldering looks, some whispers, scandalous comments and a few stolen kisses perhaps.

For a man who hasn't even tried to kiss his wife even once, other than the time he practiced on almost his entire family and settled for a peck on the cheek this step, the leap of having a baby seemed so, so...juvenile for the lack of a better word really.



@bold that is the crux of my post today...the message doesn't fit the state of their relationship...and it takes away the romanticism from a couple in love taking the step to intimacy which is a natural progression rather than force it to be one for procreating which beats the whole purpose of the their next step.

Wonderfully put Aani, I couldn't have put it so well.

Edited by -Gan- - 10 years ago
-Gan- thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 10 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Since I cant help myself I wrote a little something on her confession too in the LU and posting it here too to bug you Gan 😳

Watched the episode again as it aired now and a thought came to me that I simply cannot help but pen.

I may be in the minority here or perhaps may be the only one who feels this but I liked Ishita' confession better than that of Raman'. It didn't have the grandeur or the pomp that was inflicted in his by having those teenage type decorations with heart shaped balloons and candles, it didn't need flair or pomp, it was simple, straight forward just as Ishita is.

I don't know what made the writer want to lock them up in the cupboard for this despite the long post I made on the choice of the prop earlier. It seemed to me had Raman really backed her into a corner like he did post Mihir and Mihika' roka and asked her to say the words she would have done so straightaway, and there would have been no audience for it around when that would have happened too. In fact, if they had an opportunity to talk about the impending confession from her end without this coercion too, the result would have been the same.

I simply loved how once she got a hold of her nerves and could stop blushing Ishita didn't fumble once as she declared she loves him. There weren't any hang-up there from her end in that moment. She didn't goof around or stutter or stammer or any such thing - with a firm conviction and control of herself she expressed what she felt for him not once, not twice but thrice and the last two times simply to humor him, because she knew what it meant to him too, because it made him happy. However, mostly because she realized what he needed to hear the most when she said the words to him, what she missed in those first two times, he needed to hear her say his name and not just those words. She understood that and so the third time around said so as loudly as possible with his name.

She knew what she was saying and she looked him in the eye the first time she said so because she meant it with all her heart, had wanted to say those words to him for a long time now and could do so at last knowing very well he returns the sentiment in equal measures.



I agree !!! I loved the simplicity yet the unhesitating declaration on her part...she was blushing but she knew where she stands with him..where he stands with her and where they both stand in their relationship. I like moments like this more that bells and whistles set up for a love professing as when you love someone as deeply they do and the way their relationship has developed one small step at a time...simple is the only way to go.😳
*Dev.* thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail + 5
Posted: 10 years ago
#43
Hey Gan
It was actually very Romantic of Raman to talk to Ishita about baby as this is bound to happen and this is what a relationship is, when they see that they love each other and then they can take it to next level...and so she always wanted to be a mother which she become cause of Ruhi but now He wants to have child of her own from him...this is what Love is! of course they can get her medically fit for this and they have to be practical in this as well as the age of both of them are increasing so to avoid chaos in late pregnancy, they may take this step!

BTW, I'm more excited to see Ruhi and Raman taking care of pregnant Ishu.☺️
OnePiece thumbnail
15th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail Fascinator 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 10 years ago
#44
G, the collages are fabulous!! ☺️

Yet to watch the epi but I feel the precap message is just his way of letting her know that he wants to take their relationship to the next level. He didn't mean doing it just for the babies.
Ah well!! We know that the CVs have lost it. So, they couldn't think(can I even say this now?) as deeply as we do you know and they could only tell so much in the 7.30PM slot.

It would be an audacity to talk about intimacy just for the sake of it in the Sanskaari slot. Hence the easy way out. We khush for them for finally doing "it", the sanskaari people khush as they are talking about babies and CVs khush because they get what they want from all of us(read TRPs) however and for whatever reason they are making the lead couple do "it". 😳


-Gan- thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 10 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: *Dev.*

Hey Gan

It was actually very Romantic of Raman to talk to Ishita about baby as this is bound to happen and this is what a relationship is, when they see that they love each other and then they can take it to next level...and so she always wanted to be a mother which she become cause of Ruhi but now He wants to have child of her own from him...this is what Love is! of course they can get her medically fit for this and they have to be practical in this as well as the age of both of them are increasing so to avoid chaos in late pregnancy, they may take this step!

BTW, I'm more excited to see Ruhi and Raman taking care of pregnant Ishu.☺️



Well to me it a step too fast...yes what you say is true...and like I said would have made more sense post their 1st time of intimacy...I didnt find the message wrong, just the timing of it felt out of place for me.😊


-K.13- thumbnail
10th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail Networker 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 10 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: OnePiece

G, the collages are fabulous!!☺️

Yet to watch the epi but I feel the precap message is just his way of letting her know that he wants to take their relationship to the next level. He didn't mean doing it just for the babies.
</div><div> Ah well!! We know that the CVs have lost it. So, they couldn't think(can I even say this now?) as deeply as we do you know and they could only tell so much in the 7.30PM slot.

It would be an audacity to talk about intimacy just for the sake of it in the Sanskaari slot. Hence the easy way out. We khush for them for finally doing "it", the sanskaari people khush as they are talking about babies and CVs khush because they get what they want from all of us(read TRPs) however and for whatever reason they are making the lead couple do "it".😳




Hema...I agree with you about the motivation behind the message, but that doesn't mean I agree with the approach on the part of the CVs.

We have seen Raman throw condoms at her to try to give her the memo & now this text. Give the fact Ishita vehemently shut down all prospects of having a kid on their anniversary...I would like to think the baby-making text his his way of getting her to understand what he wants because I, for the life of me, cannot imagine Raman pressuring her to have a kid (unless the CVs conviniently forget that conversation.

However, there in lies another frustration with this time slot. I believe this theme & the pregnancy theme tracks were planned long ago but for an 11 PM audience. They have so much potential to break the mould about the role of intimacy in marriage. I had a discussion earlier about how desi TV equates intimacy to 2 instances in a couples' life - their SR & to have a child.

Now if this show still wants to retain even an ounce of it's already lost maturity...it would focus on the fact intimacy is a reality of healthy relationships, especially that of a married couple.

Even this show is on during a family time, it could handle this "intimacy in marriage" angle delicately I beautifully. However - I have virtually no hope of the CVs give the time slot, lack of delicacy over social issues, and execution.


Also again - by linking baby-making & intimacy...I am curious to see how Ishita will get pregnant - naturally or with some medical assistance. I have my preference, but it's on the CVs.
Edited by krishy13 - 10 years ago
.TIA. thumbnail
10th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail Networker 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 10 years ago
#47
Lovely collage Gan 😛
These two are just adorable. Loved d confession 😛
Precap...too much being said n discusses 😆
Though I did find it nice n emotional in a way but the approach at this time..I don't know
I'm totally confused so no comments on that 😳
I'm going to just enjoy whatever lovely moments I get from this show. We know already that things r going to go bad real soon so till then enjoy what u get 😉 😆
EkPaheli thumbnail
19th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 10 years ago
#48

Thank you, I believe we have never interacted before but I have read your posts and they are amazing, I am Aani, may I know your name please 😳
EkPaheli thumbnail
19th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 10 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: -Gan-



@bold that is the crux of my post today...the message doesn't fit the state of their relationship...and it takes away the romanticism from a couple in love taking the step to intimacy which is a natural progression rather than force it to be one for procreating which beats the whole purpose of the their next step.

Wonderfully put Aani, I couldn't have put it so well.


thanks Gan and I am so glad I am not the only one who feels so, reading your post was such a relief I cant tell you and clearly there seemed to be a lack of thought put behind this aspect.

If they did need a baby track it could have happened post the consummation and not have a consummation track simply for the sake of having a baby

The sensitivity that was needed for the baby issue was missing here which we had on the anniversary, where it was made out to be a gift from his end to her. The heart to heart they had, the thought behind it was beautiful - he wanted to give her something priceless and it was so sweet and touching...having him repeat the same sentiment to her this time via a text message seemed so impersonal and detached to me
-Gan- thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 10 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: Eyes-Wide-Shut

Fangirls be like, puttar is so sly trying to end the celibacy by being cute.

Meanwhile puttar is celebrating!

Puttar is fast like that, no serenading, let's just jump to babies!


Doc you those GIFs are just on the dot😆

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".