YHM -Daily Episode Discussions and Live Updates Thread #65 - Page 99

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Hi Shveta Priya just wrote that rather than Subbu people should be concerned about Ishita' inexperience and not think that her fracture is the cause of the delay...she needs time make of that what you will cause to me its just mumbo jumbo

Originally posted by: krishy13

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@bold - even Kumud in Kkusum had premarital sex which resulted in a child. In this show currently, we have a side character who, when she shows up, is pregnant. While the status of her being married or not has been tossed in the air, Sarika is a for all intents & purposes a single mother. We even saw Mihir & Mihika start to approach the next stage of their relationship as a couple prior to marriage. So premarital sex is not a totally foreign concept to desi TV, prime time or not.

About Ishita being a virgin or not...I'm really intrigued by the entire concept. At times she is show as hesitant or shy to Raman's advances, while on Holi & the night before the child swap court hearing, she appeared to be a very willing participant. I want to believe the makers had something in mind but thanks to TRP pressure...the message has been diluted.

You also talked about Raman encouraging Ishita to forgive Subbu. We all know there is something more sinister afoot, but like you mentioned, Raman, of all people, understands the mukti one has when they fully come to terms with their dark past. No matter the public face you put on, carrying dark & deep scars like that does keep you from fully embracing the present.

In all of this, I love the fact Raman & Ishita know her infertility may not be so absolute. Ishita is coming to terms with the rejection she faced from Subbu & many subsequent suitors. While both their hurt is different, Raman & Ishita both faced rejection that centered around their core identity of what it means in our society to be a man/woman.

No matter what the CVs show...this depth to the story that we are able to ellict keeps the tale rich & multidimensional.

Lovely write ups as always, Aani! 😊

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Hi cloudy, sorry I dont know your name, may I please know it 😳

I am not a tamilian, I am a Kutchi so dont know anything about Tamil customs and all but what I said about the Chaitra month is as per the Hindu customs I am not sure if it applies to Tamils since I dont know any Tamilain personally apart from a few members on the forum 😳

As for the Brahm Mahurata concept, I know not everything can be done in it - Its considered auspicious for a few things but not everything but you can trust our CVs to do the unimaginable I wont be surprised if they have Vandu (finally!) have a C-section and that too fixed in such a way that her baby would arrive precisely in Brahm Mahurata too whenever she decides to deliver her baby - be it in 15,16, 17 or the very last episode of the show 😆😉

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

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Hey Krishy how are you? 😊

And thanks

Never saw Kusum so dont know about Kumud or her child 😳

Also like you said the show itself has been bold in certain areas - Sarika was duped with the pretence of a false marriage that Romi refuses to acknowledge, so she is a single mother now. They even touched topics like sexual harassment by a family member so why stop now.

Hell they have touched one of the greatest taboos of our society - a married woman having an affair and not just an affair from within the confines of her home and marriage but one for which she chose to walk out on her husband and child and lived with the man who was her paramour as his keep for 6 long years. It doesnt get any bolder than this for Indian TV in the recent times - if Shagun can be shown living in with Ashok without regrets despite being married why cant they have Ishita who was very much in love with Subbu and assured that they would marry someday be involved sexually with him too before her marriage?

And I think Ishita hasn' t been hesitant to his advances ever since she accepted the marriage wholeheartedly, her hesitance was there when she had just married him but not begun to think of him as her husband. If you remember the Kabhi Jo Badal Barse sequence, she is initially hesitant to participate because she feels he is acting out of pity but with his persistance Raman changes that notion of her' and towards the end when she feels he might kiss her she doesnt run away or cover rather she stands her ground and closes her eyes with a smile in acceptance and reciprocates to his advances. Post that we saw that she was also not scared to lock eyes with him in the shower scene, she felt shy later to do so but it was only natural...those were the initial days of her admitting that she is now feeling attracted to this man who is her husband, the very man she once loathed and fought tooth and nail with.

The changes have been evident in both of them - in the scenes I mentioned above - Raman backed out of the kiss, in the scene of the morning after too he is struck by the realization of what he can do and cant, similarly he wonders post the shower scene what is happening to him.

Now when they share these moments like the one on Holi or the recent one when he stole the papers they weren't hesitant or shy - both of them were very much comfortable with their attraction and didnt find it odd or weird anymore.

Yep Raman' insistence that Ishita forgive Subbu springs from the desire to see her healed like he said last night - her pain is his only concern and if it involves approaching Subbu so be it, the pain of rejection she faced from Subbu and post him numerous other men cannot be healed until and unless she lets go of it.

@bold - yes, thats a very, very lovely way to put it Krishy. A man who is unable to keep his woman would have been taunted and ridiculed - his very manhood would have been questioned, despite the fact that he fathered two children with the very woman. He would have faced the whispers of the society that might have raised questions regarding his ability to keep his woman satisfied in every which manner there is - therein lies also the reason of Raman Bhalla' transformation on every level there is - from the emotional to the physical. And Ishita' very identity and worth as a woman was considered null because of her inability to bear a child.

Originally posted by: ShvetaSankar

Ok.. got it now..

Originally posted by: cloudy24

im uttara di😊

Originally posted by: krishy13

I'm good just busy with school! How are you?

You are lucky you didn't watch Kkusum...it was a typical EK show down to the core. From surrogate mothers falling in love with the male lead & ending up with him to face changes for the leads. It was everything that early 2000s desi TV was defined by, and shockingly, my first introduction to Desi TV shows!

Easiest answer for Shagun & Ishita: a vamp is synonymous with being immoral while the female lead should be a Sati Savitri as that is what is apparently palatable by the audiences. I think even if they implied Ishia & Subbu got to "2nd base" could add for a mature dialog, but still remain in the realm of "prime time sanskaar".

They unfortunately have touched on the topic of sexually harassment a few times, and so far only once did we see it actually addressed completely. It is "understandable," given the constraints of The medium, where to fully punish perpetrator means to render the character temporarily useless!

I absolutely love your interpretation of their romantic scenes. It adds so much depth to such passionate moments between the leads!

Thanks! For me, the very concept of what it means to be a man or woman is what really got me sucked into the show. Even in the most recent track this theme came up with the bangle dialog & Ishita questioning Raman's sense of responsibility. In their arguement before the restraining order was delivered, Raman indirectly expressed that despite all his efforts to fill this ideal male role of protector, he has apparently again failed. Should they choose to incorporate this into the current track, I think it would be interesting to see the juxtapositioning of the lead characters' journey to regain confidence in their sense of personhood only for them to fully realize, the main person that can help grow is each other.

Originally posted by: ShvetaSankar

What I feel is she wanted to highlight that Ishita is scared that she might disappoint Raman due to her inexperience.. That's why she said Ishita wants to move things ahead but at the same time she is scared.. Just my POV.