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Posted: 10 years ago
Anni,
You are right abt mani not knowing much about how marriage works.. And that his intentions are not bad. He is not purposely trying to wedge distance between ishra..
Mani is as always only focussed on Ishitha. Her happiness and her loses. His opinion about Raman is a prejudiced one. It is difficult to overcome such opinion. Hence one moment he sees Raman's goodness and the other he is concerned that Raman will not be fair to ishitha. Like he said to Asok, anything which causes pain to ishitha is like a loss to him.. And he takes upon himself to cut the loses.
He needs to understand and accept that, Ishitha is now someones wife and part of a family. Above that, he needs to understand, realise that Raman can take very good care of Ishitha.raman will not let go of ishitha come what may. Ishitha will always come first in raman's life. Whatever he does, he will do keeping ishitha's happiness in mind and be fair as situation calls for.. The marriage may have started off as a contract one, a soudha , ruhi ke liye.. But it is no more valid. The marriage is all about love, being their for each other, being a team and for the family. iMO Once Mani sees this, he will fade away..but how, through what circumstances mani will realise this, is what i am eagerly waiting for.

Btw, onething i notice, am sure many have , is how mani gets involved in a situation related to Ishitha, starts ball rolling, but Raman is the one who takes it to the finish..and the ones Raman is not involved yet, still has not finished..
For eg, sarika romi issue, is still open ended.. Raman is still not involved..

Shagun asoak marriage, v know will not happen.. Raman is not involved in this yet..

Bailing ishitha out of jail.. Case closed because raman was involved
Harassment.. Mani reached the spot on time but Again raman was the one to give her the support needed (rightfully so)

Anyways, its not about mani.. It is about ishra. :-).. Mani is just that mani, bindu, catalyst..
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Edited by ThithliDhost - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Aani, what a lovely explanation of Mani's perspective. I will go against the grain of popular opinion on the forum as well and agree with you completely. Recent events have landed Ishita in trouble and not of the trivial sort. She has been put into serious situations by Adi. I think as a friend Mani 's concern has been escalating and rightly so. In fact the last situation, where Ishita ended up at the bachelor party, had potential for extreme consequences. Mani has seen Raman's erratic side as well as some of his good qualities. From his perspective there is enough to raise his concern level. Good friends do care for one another and sometimes bring things to the forefront that their friend may not want to hear but needs to. From his point of view his friend is in a situation which will bring her nothing but distress and he feels the need to present these harsh truths to her. I will stick my neck out and say that he might be remiss as a friend if he did not voice his concerns.
Your explanation of his viewpoint of being someone who has never experienced a relationship is right on the mark.
Raman is now seeing where his own shortcomings have been with respect to Ishita.
How Mani's conversation and Amma's conversation will play out in respect to the promo will be interesting to see.
Raman is now seeing what a marriage means to a woman. This is his first experience with a woman who is invested in the marriage and not just what she will gain from it. His marriage with Shagun was all about pleasing her and keeping her happy. This time it is different and he has seen Ishita make sacrifices for him and for his family. It may take him a a bit of time to understand that he can meet her halfway and how he can correct his mistakes. Hopefully he can realize that he can make amends and this does not mean sacrificing the marriage
I hope this made sense. I usually like to read more then write.😳
Edited by peachesandcream - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

The Difference between Sum' and Some'.

I am on a roll today, so bear with me.

As I was having some convo invariably these two terms that sound so similar cropped up - some and sum - interestingly their meanings could not be any more diametrical.

While Sum - as a word speaks of the whole defined as - the total amount resulting from the addition of two or more numbers, amounts, or items. Some is about a partial factor, a dividend that can be unspecified.

A famous saying goes like this - you win some and you lose some, while it has the mention of the word win it is often used to console someone who has suffered a loss - trying to make someone feel better. You cannot win it all is simply the meaning of this.

In business, you sometimes invest your funds in various different assets - some reap profits, others can incur losses too, but that is a risk you have to take. No one needs any consolation for profits but when it comes to losses, we do.

Mani as a businessman is seeing a marriage as a deal and in his mind the party he is associated with is making a loss - he is thinking about the SUM reaped by Ishita and thinks her losses far outweigh her profits, perhaps he would even advice her to get out of this marriage tonight .

If he does so in his mind, he would be thinking Ishita could still cut her losses if she gets out of this bad deal while she can as its only been SOME time to this venture. It has been less than a year to this marriage to a businessperson sometimes it is enough time to calculate the feasibility of his investments to know if he would like to continue investing in this venture or not. He has given it a shot but has not reaped the benefits of it yet which as per him is a loss, even marginal profit in an investment is necessary after a stipulated amount of time to decide on long terms.

He calculated the SUM vs. the some all right -and as per him the SUM that Ishita reaped is a loss because her investment is high here, she is giving it her all...but what he doesn't know is his equation isn't yet tallied. He has only studied one ledger here that too at a glance if you look at it. When calculating things on a whole; when making a balance sheet you need ALL the data to tally and for which every debit/credit has to be accounted for, all the losses and profits need to be calculated it is then that you arrive at the ACTUAL SUM of things.

And here the SUM can be known only to Ishita and Raman as they have the entire knowledge they know each loss they suffered, each profit they made, they know every entry in that ledger. Thus they only know while they are suffering from losses at the moment, while things are working against them in this hour, in the long haul, they couldn't have made a better investment.

The words of a businessman were thus uttered when he was announcing the biggest investment he was about to make in his life - when he was announcing his intentions loud and clear - that he has invested himself with all his heart and soul.

He sealed a deal, the BEST of his life with a woman as his partner a few days back and he knows he could not have had it better and will make sure she feels the same way. There is no backing out of it - the deal sealed for life...lifelong rishte ki deal.

Edited by EkPaheli - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Radz, peachesandcream(may I know your name please? 😳) have to rush for now will be back later to reply 😳
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Posted: 10 years ago

The Difference between Sum' and Some'.

I am on a roll today, so bear with me.

As I was having some convo invariably these two terms that sound so similar cropped up - some and sum - interestingly their meanings could not be any more diametrical.

While Sum - as a word speaks of the whole defined as - the total amount resulting from the addition of two or more numbers, amounts, or items. Some is about a partial factor, a dividend that can be unspecified.

A famous saying goes like this - you win some and you lose some, while it has the mention of the word win it is often used to console someone who has suffered a loss - trying to make someone feel better. You cannot win it all is simply the meaning of this.

In business, you sometimes invest your funds in various different assets - some reap profits, others can incur losses too, but that is a risk you have to take. No one needs any consolation for profits but when it comes to losses, we do.

Mani as a businessman is seeing a marriage as a deal and in his mind the party he is associated with is making a loss - he is thinking about the SUM reaped by Ishita and thinks her losses far outweigh her profits, perhaps he would even advice her to get out of this marriage tonight .

If he does so in his mind, he would be thinking Ishita could still cut her losses if she gets out of this bad deal while she can as its only been SOME time to this venture. It has been less than a year to this marriage to a businessperson sometimes it is enough time to calculate the feasibility of his investments to know if he would like to continue investing in this venture or not. He has given it a shot but has not reaped the benefits of it yet which as per him is a loss, even marginal profit in an investment is necessary after a stipulated amount of time to decide on long terms.

He calculated the SUM vs. the some all right -and as per him the SUM that Ishita reaped is a loss because her investment is high here, she is giving it her all...but what he doesn't know is his equation isn't yet tallied. He has only studied one ledger here that too at a glance if you look at it. When calculating things on a whole; when making a balance sheet you need ALL the data to tally and for which every debit/credit has to be accounted for, all the losses and profits need to be calculated it is then that you arrive at the ACTUAL SUM of things.

And here the SUM can be known only to Ishita and Raman as they have the entire knowledge they know each loss they suffered, each profit they made, they know every entry in that ledger. Thus they only know while they are suffering from losses at the moment, while things are working against them in this hour, in the long haul, they couldn't have made a better investment.

The words of a businessman were thus uttered when he was announcing the biggest investment he was about to make in his life - when he was announcing his intentions loud and clear - that he has invested himself with all his heart and soul.

He sealed a deal, the BEST of his life with a woman as his partner a few days back and he knows he could not have had it better and will make sure she feels the same way. There is no backing out of it - the deal sealed for life...lifelong rishte ki deal


READ ALL UR POST AANI...BRILLIANT ANALYSIS...SO FROM BIOCHEMISTRY U SHIFTED TO ECONOMICS...😉

Edited by banana.ishra - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Aatharniya Aani ji mahodaya,
One more such long, beautiful, thought provoking post today and I'll have to drop everything I'm doing n stare at the computer! 😲

Absolutely brilliant n rocking stuff!! 👏
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

The Difference between Sum' and Some'.

I am on a roll today, so bear with me.

As I was having some convo invariably these two terms that sound so similar cropped up - some and sum - interestingly their meanings could not be any more diametrical.

While Sum - as a word speaks of the whole defined as - the total amount resulting from the addition of two or more numbers, amounts, or items. Some is about a partial factor, a dividend that can be unspecified.

A famous saying goes like this - you win some and you lose some, while it has the mention of the word win it is often used to console someone who has suffered a loss - trying to make someone feel better. You cannot win it all is simply the meaning of this.

In business, you sometimes invest your funds in various different assets - some reap profits, others can incur losses too, but that is a risk you have to take. No one needs any consolation for profits but when it comes to losses, we do.

Mani as a businessman is seeing a marriage as a deal and in his mind the party he is associated with is making a loss - he is thinking about the SUM reaped by Ishita and thinks her losses far outweigh her profits, perhaps he would even advice her to get out of this marriage tonight .

If he does so in his mind, he would be thinking Ishita could still cut her losses if she gets out of this bad deal while she can as its only been SOME time to this venture. It has been less than a year to this marriage to a businessperson sometimes it is enough time to calculate the feasibility of his investments to know if he would like to continue investing in this venture or not. He has given it a shot but has not reaped the benefits of it yet which as per him is a loss, even marginal profit in an investment is necessary after a stipulated amount of time to decide on long terms.

He calculated the SUM vs. the some all right -and as per him the SUM that Ishita reaped is a loss because her investment is high here, she is giving it her all...but what he doesn't know is his equation isn't yet tallied. He has only studied one ledger here that too at a glance if you look at it. When calculating things on a whole; when making a balance sheet you need ALL the data to tally and for which every debit/credit has to be accounted for, all the losses and profits need to be calculated it is then that you arrive at the ACTUAL SUM of things.

And here the SUM can be known only to Ishita and Raman as they have the entire knowledge they know each loss they suffered, each profit they made, they know every entry in that ledger. Thus they only know while they are suffering from losses at the moment, while things are working against them in this hour, in the long haul, they couldn't have made a better investment.

The words of a businessman were thus uttered when he was announcing the biggest investment he was about to make in his life - when he was announcing his intentions loud and clear - that he has invested himself with all his heart and soul.

He sealed a deal, the BEST of his life with a woman as his partner a few days back and he knows he could not have had it better and will make sure she feels the same way. There is no backing out of it - the deal sealed for life...lifelong rishte ki deal.



Brilliant post Aani👏


PS :-Awesome analysis Aani . I did not read your previous 2 post ,, after reading banana.ishra reply i went back and read the other 2 post, i guess you have covered all the questions people have in this forum with these post .
Excellent post👏
Came back to edit my comment😳
Edited by luks28 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Yesterday I tried to figure out Mihika, today its Mani who has me wondering and well this post is about him - hope I dont get hated for this or anything LOL

I am sure most of us at some point in our lives have gotten into an argument with our moms and heard that line - you say this now, but when you would be in my place you wouldnt - basically when we are pissed off by our mom due to something we fire back and when she runs out of logic/reason to make us understand anything or when she wants to shut you up for good this line invariably would be made meaning when we have kids we would do the same thing...when younger you just say in your dreams ma, as you get older you kinda see the sense in those lines - the I told you so thing creeps up on us.

Oscar Wilde made a funny quote about this too - All women become like their mothers. That is their tragedy. No man does, and that is his.

Anyhow coming back to my topic - Mani...like I was saying the mom thing it got me wondering - doesnt it apply to everyone and anyone? You dont know things until you have lived them. Mani at a surface value sees things, makes an opinion and shoots through his hip BUT he doesnt count in one factor that he is only seeing things from his perpective and what he has is a basic understanding of things - the theoretical knowledge if I may, now theory wise we know a lot of things but practicals are another ball game altogether. Its like cooking something by reading a recipe from a book/online/packet - but that recipe only provides you instructions it cannot actually be an insight to your experience - which is why even when we follow precise instructions sometimes we screw up things the dish doesnt come off as its supposed too.

Mani too has a basic knowledge of a marriage, of relationships in general BUT he has no experience regarding those IMO. He is a lone man from what we have seen aside from a niece and a nephew who are MIA currently at least on screen, he has no one - he IMO hasnt even been in a relationship ever and hence he doesnt know you cannot always be in the long haul if you cant keep with the downs and the lows of a relationship - he thinks like in business if a venture isnt profitable it isnt worth it so it is with life in general too - if a business isnt reaping profits shut it, if a relationship is going through a phase that isnt rosy end it...but can things be really calculated thus?

A marriage isnt a merger of companies where the specific terms and conditions are laid out clause by clause in the partnership where the roles are pre-assigned and the shares distributed beforehand with a knowledge of who holds the upper hand or who calls the shots in which department. You cannot run a marriage the same way you run a business, a company. The losses in a marriage are suffered by both as are the profits celebrated by both - but if a marriage faces a storm you cannot simply walk out of it in the blink of an eye - as you are EMOTIONALLY INVESTED and unlike financial investment there is no way to maintain a margin of profits vs loss for this that easily. You can surely compare the good times vs the bad ones an d the knowledge of what that means to you in long term but you cannot take a call about anything in the span of a heartbeat.

Simi took the longest time to come to terms with the truth of her husband, her marriage and Vandita so beautifully said last night we all sometimes try to hide the faults of our husbands either out of fear or out of love.

When the fear is in the driving seat the poor woman is basically a victim of her circumstances and she has to find the courage to fight against her situation and the man/people in question BUT when love is the driving factor behind shielding someone it's another battle altogether - one you have to fight with yourself, your heart. You are at war with yourself - head vs heart and in this war there is no easy way to deal with things.

When you fight with someone else you either win or lose but when the war is with yourself - you are the winner and the loser all at the same time and there is no easy way out of this.

Mani is being someone who is seeing things from his end and from where he stands as someone who has only theoretical knowledge of things he is laying out his POV to Ishita.

His intentions aren't bad, he isn't purposely trying to drive a wedge between his friend and her husband, he isn't being an obsessed lover who wants Ishita - he is being a friend who hasn't experienced things himself and is thus in his mind looking out for her, a person he is very much attached too. The person that he has known all his life as per him is getting a raw deal in her marriage and he is thus stating so.

To simply put it he is a person who is making a comment about an area he does not have an expertise in. I am sure everyone of us has at some point talked about relationships with our friends or heard them or anyone else - now if the two people who are talking things as Ishita and Mani are, discuss some phase of a marriage/relationship and one of them says end this once and for all, the other wouldn't just say yeah you are right, the response would be it isn't as easy as you think.

A single person has no idea what it is to be in a relationship with someone, especially if they never have had anyone in their life. Having remained unattached they can speak of things from their end where things aren't so complex but the one who is in the relationship that is facing tough times can't take the easy way out cause frankly once you are in it with someone no way out is easy even if it is for your betterment or right/logical, point in case Simi; she couldn't end her marriage in just a day it took her months and months to get to this point. Also his words would make Raman reflect back on those times when he DID pick Adi over Ishita and that is an important thing IMO, he has to recall those instances where in his bid to gain his son' affections he himself belittled his wife and because of those instances what his son took away was - my dad can do anything for me, I can make him dance to my tunes; even if I am wrong he wont dare go against me. The son thought he could walk all over this woman if he wants to do so and his dad will roll out the carpet himself for it - and that is what needs to be amended now.


Raman in making Ishita apologize to Adi and by extension to Shagun erred as a father and faltered as a husband - that needs to be rectified. Mani' words would come into play to dig out skeletons. The previous instance where Mani made Ishita and Raman pause was when he spoke of second chances in love - that day this couple talked about future, about their life up ahead but now this dialogue as far as I have seen in the precap and gathered will make them reflect about the past which is vital. Unless the issues of the past arent resolved how can the way for the future be paved?


Aani saashtaang le aj mujhse 👏👏 ur post is totally in sync wid my thots... Kya kahu simply superb..😳
This is most neutral take I have read on d char Mani...
U know this man is completely practical n I ges that's y he's still single...
M reminded here of Mani ishu convo @ d cafe before the house warming party...
Itne samajhte ho relationships ko toh akele kyun ho??
Samajhdaar hu isliye...
N smthn like d below (don't rem d exact lines)
Koi bardaasht karne wali mil jaye...
He himself knows dis that he's not manageable 😆
But does this make Mani negative??? I don't think so...

I being single can understand very well wat u r trying to say aani... V give practical solutions smthn that may sound incoherent n rude to others.. V may not give correct solutions but directly or indirectly v point the problem very sharply... Within a fraction of second v r able to figure out what's brewing cz there v r d third party...

Mani in his place is doing d ryt job as of now... Family matters to him or not m not bothered, but he's definitely making these idiots reflect on their situations individually ryt from the beginning...
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: ThithliDhost

It is so hard to say what was Raman's take away from amma's convo.. Did he hear her saying that its better to end the marriage, if, even after so many sacrifies and adjustments there is no happiness? Or did he hear her saying , for all the sacrifices the wife makes, she deserves to be happy in the marriage.. Thodi si kushi ..?

Amma says shaadi is pavithra rishtha, where women sacrifies everything to make her family and her man happy .. In precap mani says sauda , ishu says shaadi..

Now does Raman then take away , ishitha is sacrifing everything bcze she is married to him and that what she is taught to do? Based on amma's convo..

Or he reflects on her words, " i trust my husband.. He will always be there for me" ?

I guess v have to wait for tmrw to know the answers..


Hey Radz

I totally concur with this, Raman influenced by the situations and hearing words from Mani tonight may have those thoughts which may seem as if an estrangement is in the works BUT he has also heard Amma, a woman who knows the sanctity of this institution hence her words were so perfect. A woman doing so much for her family deserves a little happiness at least - what is the ultimate happiness that a man, a husband can give to his wife? The answer would be his trust, respect, support and LOVE - the broken trust issue has been mended, last night Raman spoke of being proud of her which covers respect too IMO, support of course even she knows he is there hence she found solace in his arms only, last night as well it was his support that made her finally fall asleep when she said I am lucky I am not being blamed here; cos that was a fear which she had too somewhere deep down which is natural of a victim of such an instance - you know you are right, but rationality doesnt really exist for you at the time all you know is fear and that loathing which makes you feel dirty and wonder is this how others will perceive me too? Would I be assumed as a culprit though I am the victim here as a society is always quick to blame a woman no matter what.

Now all that remains to be covered is LOVE - she knows he loves her, feels it in her bones now...but the simple matter of confessing that love is left between them and the task of letting the world know is too - as Ruby has asserted time and again - this woman was always taken for granted and grabs since men saw her as AVAILABLE, HUNGRY based on the knowledge of her marriage with her husband where he made no bones about stating it that she is only a namesake wife that is what needs to be amended...

Amma mentioned to Raman a husband needs to ensure his wife is happy for all she does for him - he has a role to play in a marriage too and even before his convo with Amma he said so himself - you gave it your all, everything to this marriage but I fell short - its his turn to make up for that 😳
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Ohgod!

Aatharniya Aani ji mahodaya,

One more such long, beautiful, thought provoking post today and I'll have to drop everything I'm doing n stare at the computer! 😲

Absolutely brilliant n rocking stuff!! 👏


🤣 I feel like a sage or something cause of that mahodaya 🤣 thanks Bhu 🤗 not for calling me a mahodaya but for liking the posts 😳😆
Edited by EkPaheli - 10 years ago

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