The Veil & the Shadow - Page 5

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Finally edited on page 1 😳

Originally posted by: janu12345

Rubyyy.. here I am .. lamba post hain aur first time...i am not sure if I make any sense.. but nevertheless... 😃

Brilliant post as always...😳 love the title...main epi dekthe waqt i miss somethings but you make it a point to point them out always...😛😛

The "Ji" couple... the way their story has turned out has been surprising for me atleast... Is it only the kid which has freaked out Romi.. I cant decide! Considering the way Romi was shown reacting to her presence... fantasizing about Sarika ji.. declaring her to be different from other gals, etc.. The one day when they showed Sarika's past and present meet, Param and Romi .. I expected a twist but was not sure what it would be.. even at this point I am not sure if they will show Param to have something to do with this whole kaand to put it in Raman's words or is it going to be something else totally. I will wait to find this out...

Coming to the whole Romi wala kaand... I agree with you completely when you say so far the family repriminded him and let things be whenever he made mistakes...But my kostin.. even in the present situation Raman gave him good...told him I am not going to help you out of this.. and the very next scene He calls up Pathak... though I can understand why Raman calls Pathak.. one way I would look at it is why should the whole family face the consequences of Romi's action and also the fact that though Sarika was wronged, she was guillable and culpable for some of her actions despite being repeatedly warned to stay away... but will this work? How will redemption even come into picture? Romi knows Pathak is handling his case, and if he comes out of this how do we know he will redeem himself.. and what is he going to do to redeem himself.. I wonder. After the Bala wala kaand.. Raman had cut off all of Romi's income sources and got him to slog in office. clearly that has not helped the way Raman wanted it to.. I am curious how this is going to play out...

Coming to the better half of the ji couple.. Sarika...clearly she chose to trust the man over all the other people who told her to stay away... Last time when the Param fiasco happened.. she did what was logical considering she was shouldering her mothers responsibility. But how is her situation different now.. I understand Ishita showed her the path the previous time... she wants to stand up for herself... but if she decides to fight the case. she has quite a few things at stake all the more if she loses the case... and there is an unborn kid in picture.. From what I have seen so far .. she wants revenge because she has been wronged... but it is not clear if she thought of the consequences of her action.. Considering she is an emotional wreck I wont be surprised.. but when Ishita tells her this should be solved within the 4 walls of the house she doesnt agree to that as well.. she is willing to put her izzat at stake here.. coz sexual harassment case is not easy on the girl from what i know. Romi has cheated her after making a promise but will that alone be enough for her to win the case? (Forgive me here i dont know the legal aspects too well.. but I see some loopholes) Or the only reason for her action is her guillable nature to believe Ashok Khanna? Just doesnt seem too convincing.

Another thing, Romi has treated her like crap, does Sarika still want to marry him though it seems logical coz of the kid, etc.(i understand mandir wala shaadi is done and she is looking for acceptance) I say it again is marraige the only solution... ? and after marraige pati sudhar jaata hain... i dont want the track to play out like this.. Not sure how it is going to though.. Not sure if I am making sense... but just my 2 cents!

This is somewhat off topic...but finally coming to the awww wala saturday episode ..😳😳. I wish they show a nice follow up scene after Ishita breaks his fast.. dont have too much hopes though..

Couple of small things which I wish changes is atleast one picture of Ishita in Raman's room .. Rinki ko bhi jagah diya hain...Ishita gaayab.. that would make a very cute scene.. and Raman claiming his gift which he had rejected... I wish i get to see this sometime on the show.. dont have high hopes though!

Originally posted by: Ohgod!

Phew.. One week of madness and not watching the show!! Just caught the entire week's epis and WHAT a week it has been.. And Ruby.. awesome post as always!!!!👏👏👏

Here I go with my inane thoughts

The beauty of YHM i have often found - apart from it being a mature love story - is in the carefully and wonderfully crafted characters.. Each character big/small has been so well defined and given such clear personalities that it makes the show that much more believable and praiseworthy.. Take any character and see their growth/behaviour and they have been consistent and included well in the story always - something we don't get to see on TV often!

Im sure there have been and there will be instances when we can discuss about other characters.. But Romi I've always felt is a very real character from the beginning of the show.. We may argue about everyone else - Can anyone be as magnanimous as Ishita? Can anyone be as rude one minute-gentle the next minute like Raman? Can anyone be as interfering like amma? Can anyone be as dumb and nave as Simmi? Can anyone be so loud like toshiji? And I can go on for everyone! But can anyone be so obnoxious and spoilt and loving and caring at the same time like Romi? Well I'd think Yes - Romi has always seemed to me to be the most consistently inconsistent character on YHM - and someone who seems very real to me.. He's the typical boy next door who has been brought up in that atmosphere where its ok for you to ogle women outside but dare someone do the same with your sister/any of you family members, you'll be up in arms!! The typical hypocritical boy next door who practice double standards...

And hasn't Romi been doing that from day 1? This was the boy who didn't think twice before making a MMS of a girl just cos he was jealous of the boyfriend being given more love by his own brother! But this is the same boy who wouldn't take help from the man who wronged his sister even if it meant getting thrashed by his brother! This was the boy who spoke back to his Bhabhi when she asked him to own up his mistakes but this was the same boy who wouldn't allow his Bhabhi to fall at the feet of a man who wronged his sister! He may have complained about his Bhabhi to his mother but he did speak up for her to his bhai even though even that was only when he was getting blasted for no reason! Clearly for him family does mean something! But if you notice the scene during the presidentship fiasco when they had taken Sarika's help and she started getting into trouble in the room, Romi didn't jump in to help her! In fact he wanted to wait a little longer to get what he wanted until Ishita rushed in to save her! He has somehow always been self-centered and in that he has always been consistent! Which is why the thought of being born in a rich family got him excited. If im not wrong, even during the serious time when Ishita was taking a pregnant woman to a hospital through riots and Romi's bike stops, he complains about his bike being old and Raman not replacing it, right? (I may be wrong but I think I have seen him say that sometime if not in this scene)

Romi has philandering ways and that we know already! He was doubtful of a girl's pregnancy earlier too and in some of the discussions with his friends during the Miika episode we do get to know he hardly respects women (But hardly respects women outside of his family). So was it really any surprise that Romi continued meeting Sarika even after being told not to? No. And it's actually no surprise he's refusing to take responsibility as well. From everyone's point of view this seems a bigger mistake cos they seem to know Sarika and based on her they are forming an opinion but solely from Romi's point of view, who has has had several of these(one which we definitely have been told about) in the past, this is probably just another bird in the park! And not going into whether Sarika has motives or whether Romi is hiding a larger issue - at this precise moment the as things stand Romi is certainly at fault! Simply because he needs to realise, learn and understand that respecting women is important! Not just women you know or are related to but to respect womanhood! They are not to be played with! And Yes, he has been told all this in various ways - beaten and told by Raman, patiently but angrily told by Ishita and maybe even explained with love by his mother. But do boys just learn by advice? No, they don't!

This was the same Romi who taught Adi to respect Ruhi and talk to her nicely. Because Romi knows you should respect your sister. But does he know to respect someone else's sister? No, he doesn't! And how will he realise it? He will have to learn from his mistakes! And repent and atone for his wrongdoings. And that can be done only when he is left to face the music for his own follies.. And im so hoping that this track would do that.. And when that does happen, Romi is going to turn out to be a good man who can see respect beyond his family as well!

Now Sarika to me has also been a fairly well etched character. She is a victim of circumstances more often than not! And a very weak person. A person who cannot stand upto injustice - there may be many - but one who cannot stand up for himself is the weakest of the lot! Sarika has shown she's nave and gullible too many times. She leaves a job in Dubai and comes back and agrees to keep her mouth shut for money! And this after she was tried to be sexually assaulted! That's the weakest a woman can get! And then again she changes her stance on the case not once but twice - just by getting talked into it. How credulous can you be? Ok move on and then you are told to stay away from a man who his own family members aren't willing to certify as a "good guy" - and with all due respect to the fact that you are free to form your own opinions - shouldn't you be once bitten twice shy??? But no, she is not - simply cos she can get talked into believing someone - yet again! But now after yesterday, we do see a slight change in her character! She was willing to trust someone so implicitly that she marries him secretly (which im yet to digest given her good equations with Ishita) and is now pregnant with his child. But now suddenly she doesn't want to be so nave and gullible.. The girl who was willing to keep shut for money earlier now refuses money and wants to go public about getting cheated. So she has finally learnt to stand up to injustice but has she learnt her lessons yet? No! Cos the very reason she's today in the soup she's in is cos of her naivety! And I loved how Raman showed her the mirror! Yes the boy is wrong but that doesn't make you right either!

Trust is something the leads - Ishita and Raman are right now dealing with.. A sorted couple who are so the perfect half of each other are yet finding it difficult to overcome the shadows of their past and to drop off the veils and flow in their emotions! And here they are sorting out an issue between two people who had misplaced trust in someone who so didn't deserve it (In Sarika's case - she was stupid to have trusted Romi and even more stupid to trust Ashok but the stupidest in not trusting Ishita and Raman - who have been her pillar of strength not once but ALWAYS)

Phew.. Hope I made some sense.. Can't wait for ur romance wala post Ruby 😳😳

Originally posted by: remya1990

Ruby, as usual brilliant post.

you have very well covered everything.

This is a small thought of mine.

Raman is a man of pride and ego which came along with his hateful past. He believes that to become a man...A MAN...this ego and pride are quintessential, even though he knows that this will take a person away from his loved ones. IT had. For him. To accept himself in this male-centeric and ego-centeric world he changed himself burying the true, loving, vulnerable, caring Raman inside him. In this process of burial what had he lost...he lost his daughter's childhood, daughter's love, daughter's innocence. It took him long 6 years to embrace his daughter. He needed the help of his daughter's new mother to make himself believe that the child is the piece of himself. she is wholeheartedly himself; not Shagun which he till then believed. Then he took of the veil for her... only for her. Showered with love. Cried infront of her, laughed infront of her,made her believe that he loved her. Only a hug from him was required to make her believe that her father loved her most. the tension that he faced when he thought that he will lose her made him again vulnerable ,devoid of his pride and ego. By letting of the ego and pride, what have he gained...LOVE of his daughter.

He have to do this again to gain love. The LOVE of his wife. but this for him will be a much difficult process as he never let go of his past. he relates everything to his past, compares everything to the past. This cant happen in a new relation. when Ishitha told him you could have married a beautiful person when he teased her to go to spa and relax herself, his replay was this...once i had. i dont want it. This is a casual talk between them. But there too came his past. From the very first instance that he agreed to marry her, he , in his heart knows what kind of a person is she. He in a drunken state told this to his ex-wife. The veil that he is now clinging on to is his insecurity and fear of rejection ...just in the pretext of jealousy.

For love to be showered one must be responsible also. Because love comes with responsibility. He took the responsibility of his daughter with her new mother... NO...the new mother gave the responsibility if his daughter to him... this was what had happened. Till now he failed to understand this; Even though he is a very responsible person. This makes him cling to the past. Shagun never loved him, so she did not took the responsibility of him. In the flash back scene when his fingers was burnt he called her. she dint turn up; just told him to take care of himself. what his daughter's mother have done...she took the responsibility of her daughter's father to herself...treated him. Just before this scene she fell down. he dint take the responsibility to help her. Then, she loved her daughter's father he dint love his daughter's mother. Shagun cheated in the karwachauth. The past always lingers around him. She was the women destined to cheat him. so she cheated. His mother was not too harsh , we got it from the last episode. See the irony...Shagun made him believe all women is like this. He worded it by telling it to Ishitha ..."everyone do cheating...its normal"

Here come the dialogue of Mani to him..." Raman , i dont know what your problem is...are you jealous of me and Ishitha...or you see every women through the same as shagun...Because of your past."

When the accident prank was done, She ran towards her husband, hugged him...that was the return gift for him for his kiss. Did he hug back with the same intensity...her life too was in danger. He should have hugged her back. He dint. There lies his past. The past will never allow him to embrace his present. But he doesnt recognize this...she told him verbally...opened up to him at that moment...Still he dint understand...bewakoof punjaban😉.

Now, Mani again has to come to make him understand...i guess...

I dont know why my insane mind always find Adi and Romi as parallels...products of a spoiled nurturing.

For redemption to happen one must recognize the mistake done. Did Romi have ? Did his mother made him recognize his mistake no. Toshi is now doing what Shagun had done in the accident track. Did Adi recognized his mistake...no...if he had, a genuine sorry would have come from his mouth. It never happened. Same with Romi now.

See another mother in the same house...when Ruhi shouted to her father to take them for dinner..what did Ishitha do...she told her this should be never done...her daughter was sorry for her act. Next time when she did some mistake she feared how will her mother react...she knows her mother always want her to be a good kid. This is the lovable responsibility that the child shows to her mother. Her lover to her mother : which her chachu and bhaiyya lacked. LOVE and RESPONSIBILITY should go equally...for a perfect and healthy relationship.

Dont know even a word made sense to you all...if not ignore it.

Originally posted by: redwine1

Can i make an honest request to u please ... would u please please please POST REGULARLY .. i will mail u the link of the post .. so that u may catch the first page .. THIS IS OUTSTANDING PIECE OF WRITING ... this is POST OPENING LEVEL OF STUFF ..

THE BEST I HAVE READ ( mine including) on the ROMI topic ... its SUBLIME .. ITS FANTASTIC ... I wish this thread would've started with this topic .. thats how brilliant i think it is ..

This is reviewing at its absolute best according to me .. there are no punches that u have held back .. each character comes out clearly .. also makes u understand the situation clearly ...

If u saw me right now .. i am giving u a standing OVATION . like i am sure anyone who read ur post would be doing ..

BRILLIANT >> BRILLIANT >..

if i had to highlight points i liked in ur post .. then ur whole post would be a BOLD one .. each & every word resounded perfectly ...

TAKE A BOW GIRL >.

Originally posted by: redwine1

Thank you so much Ruby.

and am looking forward for the post on the topic that you have mentioned.

This is really encouraging...

Originally posted by: redwine1

Very nice Radz ...

I like the way u have written about Sarika & Romi here .. lets for the sake of simple discussion bring this topic up .. i am marking ur post .. but its for al the readers here .. this is not at all a rebuttal to ur post its just a start to the discussion & food for thot ...

A lot has been written about Romi's assumed past .. now let me ask a few questions here ...

Where in his past was he taught to misbehave with women ... not respect women ...

His total respect for the women he KNOWS .. Pammi aunty included shows in his upbringing he was only taught RESPECT ...

But he was also a product of an OVER INDULGENT PARENT & OVER INDULGENT SIBS ... his brother chose to give him money for tuitions .. pots of money so much so that he was able to buy professors ... with the same ... but never once made an attempt to ASK HIM TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT MONEY ... what was the result .. a lack of accountability made him commit a crime .. yes its a crime to bribe a professor & leak exam papers ..

The scene u mentioned about yesterdays episode .. this guy has as off now RUINED THE LIFE OF A GIRL ... i was amazed to see him sit so casually in the living room of the house .. .. yet again his mother & brother have INDULGED HIM .. they are fighting his battles for him .. where is the ACCOUNTABILITY ... had Raman really left him to FEND for himself .. he would not be sitting in the bosom of his family laughing .. he would actually be running pillar to post to defend himself .. or actually FACE UP TO HIS RESPONSIBILITY ..

Now lets equate this with RAMAN .. similarly .. had this family not taken RUHI under their wing & would've forced RAMAN to face up to his responsibility . this small child would not have suffered for 6 years of abandonment .. Raman also needed to learn ACCOUNTABILITY .. which ISHITA forcefully made him face ... She made him accountable to every time he shunned his daughter .. by simply taking away his daughter from him .. she publicly rebuked him & challenged him to change his ways .. a rude awakening ... he hated her for it .. but it was also the much needed dose for the father to stand up & be accountable .. he chose to bring life to ruHi & he was responsible for the same ..

This is about standing & accepting ur mistakes ... even after all this the GUY has not said he is WRONG .. even during the Mihika MMS thing .. he said Mihir slapped him so he made an MMS .. his friends leaked the same .. very nicely shrugging responsibilty ...

About Sarika .. i loved the highlighted points ... its perfect to me ..

She needs to stand up & say i will be the HERO for myself .. & that will happen when she realises yet again how she was USED by ASHOK KHANNA ... every time she looks for an anchor or leans on an anchor the anchor has feet of clay .. she needs to realise this & stand up & face up to her actions .. cause Romi was right in one thing ... HE WAS NOT ALONE in CREATING THAT LIFE ... she was equally responsible ...

Originally posted by: ThithliDhost

Rubz,

Thanks for covering the points that I left from exploring in my post. Now with your comments my post is complete. You know I had the feeling something was amiss , I thot it was where I explained Sarika, but you captured the gap very beautifully..

@green.

Romy when he matures will also learn that women in general needs to be respected. Its just not enough to respect family members.

I feel that if Toshiji and Raman had set examples, by respecting next door girls and others, same as the do Simmi, Pammi aunty and other close ones, Romy would also follow suite. When Romy said, I loved you, but not now ! You are not a proper fit for our family, to Sarika, I heard Toshiji speaking through Romy. Yet again when he was bad mouthing Sarika, I heard Toshiji speaking thru Romi.. Not necessarily Romi's opinion. Hence, In my post I mentioned his sense of right and wrong are clouded.

@Red

The scene in qn happens after Romy talks with Neil right? So the that meeting would have helped him to calm down a bit. Atleast he now has a lawyer to fight his case.

To me in that scene Romy did not come across as a casual, on the contrary I felt he was just trying to hide his concerns and fears, so that his family can enjoy the day. I did not see a similing, laughing Romy. I did not see a sulking Romi either.. I saw a quite Romy, who tried not to let his problem cloud the happiness of others in the family.

Esp the scene where he walks upto his brother to congrats him, his face to me showed his fear of rejection. He feared his brother may shrug him away .. But happy when his brother acked his wishes.

The reason i mentioned the scene was .. yes he met with Neil .. but once again someone set it up for him... his brother clandestinely .. his mother blatatanly ... This guy is not a child .. he is a MAN .. he was not made to shoulder his responsibilty .. so with no effort at all once again someone will shoulder his responsibility . had raman & toshi left him to fend for himself .. he would have to run from pillar to post to get a lawyer .. he would need to figure how to pay the lawyers bills .. he would need to be thinking how to make a acceptable defence ..

BUT since once again no one asked him to ACCOUNT for his misdemanor .. he was sitting SNUG in a family atmosphere .. laughing & joking ..

Yes Ruby, if Romy had not seen the lawyer that morning, he would have been worried sick.. But still i am not sure if he would be running around looking for a way out, he would most probably be drinking himself senseless thus trying to forget the problem at hand. He is not matured enough to handle a problem of this magnitude right now.. Oh! Let me correct myself, may he is not matured enough to know the magnitude of the problem ..

A man who knows how to impregnate a woman ..does know the consequences .. it was the same guy who once before during the scare pregnancy was worried stiff .. coz that time the opponent would've been strong .. so when u recurringly do a mistake ur character is established .. but what is more established is the FAMILY .. which refuses to let him SHOULDER HIS RESPONSIBILITY ..

Whats more of course he knows the magnitude of his problem .. but he knows at the end of the day his family has forgiven him .. he is staying in the same place ..

Lets look at the Bala scenario .. a man who lost his job his only way to earn a living .. but the main culprit of the piece .. Romi .. he was thrown out of college ( where incidentally he was not attending nor was he intending to .. for him study was bribing a professor .. so clearly he did not plan to study & make a career) ... & what happens .. his brother secures his future ... he gets a stipend .. which he does not need coz every whim & living expense of his is paid off ..

It is ironical .. the man who was wronged lost his job .. & the man who wronged GOT A JOB .. thats how protected this guy is .. is Romi wrong .. OFCOURSE he is .. .but the BHALLA's are more wrong here ...

I loved the scene when Romi is exposed of MMS .. & Ishita says .. keep protecting him .. & not making him realise his mistake .. it will result in him committing more of them .. those words seem prophetic on hind sight

Yes Ishitha was able to refine Raman. She did try the same with Romi. Is still trying, but raman, toshiji, simmi are overprotecting Romi. Thus diluting the messages send by Ishitha..hence I mentioned in my post that since Ishitha entered his life, there has been a change in Romy.. It was to a noticeable extend that Ishitha once told Romy, I am starting to respect you.

TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS .. the Bhalla's are with their over indulgence ruining Romi .. i guess Raman & Toshi will need a rude awakening like in the case of Adi .,. where they need to realise .. over protection leads to ruinations as well sometimes.

Originally posted by: redwine1

radz .. first of all .. thank u for a brilliant post ... i guess i missed it out in the first comment .. in my over zealousness to discuss ..

& thanx for indulgiung in discussion as well .. with u & me involved there will be one i know .. & that honestly helps me & am sure u to connect better with the show as well 🤗

Thank you Rubz! We normally do this over PM, this time the venue is changed thatz all .. As you know I like bouncing my thots with you anytime.. 😊

The reason i mentioned the scene was .. yes he met with Neil .. but once again someone set it up for him... his brother clandestinely .. his mother blatatanly ... This guy is not a child .. he is a MAN .. he was not made to shoulder his responsibilty .. so with no effort at all once again someone will shoulder his responsibility . had raman & toshi left him to fend for himself .. he would have to run from pillar to post to get a lawyer .. he would need to figure how to pay the lawyers bills .. he would need to be thinking how to make a acceptable defence ..

Yes Agree that he was not made to shoulder his responsibility. IMO, without the emotional and financial support of the family Romy is a big Zero. He will completely break down. The signs of which we saw when Raman served him the court orders and literally threw up his hands in the air.. Romy was seeing dark. He was almost collapsing but recovered when he Realised his mother is there to support him.

So I donot think, he would run pillar to post looking for a lawyer, he would had broken down completely. Given up. Or went into hiding. Like he did once before. He is not MAN enough to face up to his problem. His thinking will not be rational.

BUT since once again no one asked him to ACCOUNT for his misdemanor .. he was sitting SNUG in a family atmosphere .. laughing &

A man who knows how to impregnate a woman ..does know the consequences .. it was the same guy who once before during the scare pregnancy was worried stiff .. coz that time the opponent would've been strong .. so when u recurringly do a mistake ur character is established .. but what is more established is the FAMILY .. which refuses to let him SHOULDER HIS RESPONSIBILITY ..

Whats more of course he knows the magnitude of his problem .. but he knows at the end of the day his family has forgiven him .. he is staying in the same place ..

Ruby, last time when he thot he got into trouble with a girl, his thots were his brother will skin him alive. His worries was that he will loose his brothers support. Again the consequences of getting a girl pregnant, his share of responsibility, the stigma to his family all this was lost on him. This time also the same. He is not thinking thru the repercussions of his action. He does not know the magnitude of the problem. He did not know Sarika could place legal charges on him, he does not know his brother's job , position will have adverse affect. He does not realise how it will impact his family. He does not realise the mud slinging qA session that will happen in the court rooom. For him, it is just an unwanted pregnancy that can be easily aborted. And thatz the fix. If he can thinking that far, he will not be in this position to begin with.. He is immature..and hence his thots, his actions r too..

Lets look at the Bala scenario .. a man who lost his job his only way to earn a living .. but the main culprit of the piece .. Romi .. he was thrown out of college ( where incidentally he was not attending nor was he intending to .. for him study was bribing a professor .. so clearly he did not plan to study & make a career) ... & what happens .. his brother secures his future ... he gets a stipend .. which he does not need coz every whim & living expense of his is paid off ..

It is ironical .. the man who was wronged lost his job .. & the man who wronged GOT A JOB .. thats how protected this guy is .. is Romi wrong .. OFCOURSE he is .. .but the BHALLA's are more wrong here ...

I loved the scene when Romi is exposed of MMS .. & Ishita says .. keep protecting him .. & not making him realise his mistake .. it will result in him committing more of them .. those words seem prophetic on hind sight

From day one, Romi has walked away Scott free. It all started when Raman learned thru Mihir Romy's wild ways.. And to date the saga continues. I loved Raman's dialogue in the recent episodes. Ma, if you really love your son , donot support him. Let him learn ways to free himself. Let him take responsibility. Let him correct the wrong.. looks like Raman finally got Ishitha's message that you quoted above. 😉.. At the end of it all., I have to make it all about ISHRA .. After all its all about them right 😊😉