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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: anjali_ss_20000

Nice post. Raman and Ishita are true soulmates. They complete each other. Both have flaws, but when they come together they are complete.



Thank u Anjali .. agree they are true soulmates .. each is one half of a whole
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: usaonly

Thanks for PM missing you many day. It is indeed very nice episode tonight it show that both of them really deeply in love and care for each other. Have a good weekend.😊



yea have been busy with festivities .. what with last saturday being KC .. got busy with the other life 😳😉

a good weekend 2 u 2
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Posted: 10 years ago
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sweet post...waitng fr mon update...pm me if poss...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Sorry for such a late unres😳...weekend was super busy...
Your post is brilliant as always RUby👏

Can't elaborate much since it's too late in the night...but can't wait for your romance wala post tomorrow 😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thank you Ruby for this post...I missed your last week's post.

The shadow of anyone's past influences the veil behind which individuals take shelter to fend themselves from going through those similar experiences. It's for self-preservation...because if lifted, it exposes the scab of the wound. But sometimes, that is the only way to heal a wound.

Similarly each of us reacts to situations based on our past experiences. Loved how you laid out present behavior of the current players in YHM vis a vis their history, their upbringing. And all the behavior are direct result of their past.

Love how you have connected the lifting of veil in the main protagonists' life with the sieve of KC...👏 Can't wait for the monday post.

I love how you write...you pick the grain from the chaff and lay it out in a way that explains the chaos that sometimes YHM creates, especially in the current situation where multiple parallel tracks are running. Sometimes it befuddles the mind, especially given how sometimes scenes are left upto viewer interpretation. Thank you for that.

I'm so glad you tied the events of the past two weeks together as there was lot of mixed reactions from the viewers because of some confusing episodes, poor execution...and too much Ashok🤢 (which leads to a lot of FF on my part.)

Wish you had a regular post...but I know you discuss regularly in the LU thread...but as it's work hours for me as also my habit of trying to create a post which is a reflection of my own understanding, I dont go to the main forum until I update my post. I love to read the different perspectives here, it always enriches a viewer experience for me.

Lovely as always...your writing...your thoughts..


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Amazing👏👏...will be waiting for the romantic one😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
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updated my comment on pg 2😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Phew.. One week of madness and not watching the show!! Just caught the entire week's epis and WHAT a week it has been.. And Ruby.. awesome post as always!!!!👏👏👏

Here I go with my inane thoughts

The beauty of YHM i have often found - apart from it being a mature love story - is in the carefully and wonderfully crafted characters.. Each character big/small has been so well defined and given such clear personalities that it makes the show that much more believable and praiseworthy.. Take any character and see their growth/behaviour and they have been consistent and included well in the story always - something we don't get to see on TV often!

Im sure there have been and there will be instances when we can discuss about other characters.. But Romi I've always felt is a very real character from the beginning of the show.. We may argue about everyone else - Can anyone be as magnanimous as Ishita? Can anyone be as rude one minute-gentle the next minute like Raman? Can anyone be as interfering like amma? Can anyone be as dumb and nave as Simmi? Can anyone be so loud like toshiji? And I can go on for everyone! But can anyone be so obnoxious and spoilt and loving and caring at the same time like Romi? Well I'd think Yes - Romi has always seemed to me to be the most consistently inconsistent character on YHM - and someone who seems very real to me.. He's the typical boy next door who has been brought up in that atmosphere where its ok for you to ogle women outside but dare someone do the same with your sister/any of you family members, you'll be up in arms!! The typical hypocritical boy next door who practice double standards...

And hasn't Romi been doing that from day 1? This was the boy who didn't think twice before making a MMS of a girl just cos he was jealous of the boyfriend being given more love by his own brother! But this is the same boy who wouldn't take help from the man who wronged his sister even if it meant getting thrashed by his brother! This was the boy who spoke back to his Bhabhi when she asked him to own up his mistakes but this was the same boy who wouldn't allow his Bhabhi to fall at the feet of a man who wronged his sister! He may have complained about his Bhabhi to his mother but he did speak up for her to his bhai even though even that was only when he was getting blasted for no reason! Clearly for him family does mean something! But if you notice the scene during the presidentship fiasco when they had taken Sarika's help and she started getting into trouble in the room, Romi didn't jump in to help her! In fact he wanted to wait a little longer to get what he wanted until Ishita rushed in to save her! He has somehow always been self-centered and in that he has always been consistent! Which is why the thought of being born in a rich family got him excited. If im not wrong, even during the serious time when Ishita was taking a pregnant woman to a hospital through riots and Romi's bike stops, he complains about his bike being old and Raman not replacing it, right? (I may be wrong but I think I have seen him say that sometime if not in this scene)

Romi has philandering ways and that we know already! He was doubtful of a girl's pregnancy earlier too and in some of the discussions with his friends during the Miika episode we do get to know he hardly respects women (But hardly respects women outside of his family). So was it really any surprise that Romi continued meeting Sarika even after being told not to? No. And it's actually no surprise he's refusing to take responsibility as well. From everyone's point of view this seems a bigger mistake cos they seem to know Sarika and based on her they are forming an opinion but solely from Romi's point of view, who has has had several of these(one which we definitely have been told about) in the past, this is probably just another bird in the park! And not going into whether Sarika has motives or whether Romi is hiding a larger issue - at this precise moment the as things stand Romi is certainly at fault! Simply because he needs to realise, learn and understand that respecting women is important! Not just women you know or are related to but to respect womanhood! They are not to be played with! And Yes, he has been told all this in various ways - beaten and told by Raman, patiently but angrily told by Ishita and maybe even explained with love by his mother. But do boys just learn by advice? No, they don't!

This was the same Romi who taught Adi to respect Ruhi and talk to her nicely. Because Romi knows you should respect your sister. But does he know to respect someone else's sister? No, he doesn't! And how will he realise it? He will have to learn from his mistakes! And repent and atone for his wrongdoings. And that can be done only when he is left to face the music for his own follies.. And im so hoping that this track would do that.. And when that does happen, Romi is going to turn out to be a good man who can see respect beyond his family as well!

Now Sarika to me has also been a fairly well etched character. She is a victim of circumstances more often than not! And a very weak person. A person who cannot stand upto injustice - there may be many - but one who cannot stand up for himself is the weakest of the lot! Sarika has shown she's nave and gullible too many times. She leaves a job in Dubai and comes back and agrees to keep her mouth shut for money! And this after she was tried to be sexually assaulted! That's the weakest a woman can get! And then again she changes her stance on the case not once but twice - just by getting talked into it. How credulous can you be? Ok move on and then you are told to stay away from a man who his own family members aren't willing to certify as a "good guy" - and with all due respect to the fact that you are free to form your own opinions - shouldn't you be once bitten twice shy??? But no, she is not - simply cos she can get talked into believing someone - yet again! But now after yesterday, we do see a slight change in her character! She was willing to trust someone so implicitly that she marries him secretly (which im yet to digest given her good equations with Ishita) and is now pregnant with his child. But now suddenly she doesn't want to be so nave and gullible.. The girl who was willing to keep shut for money earlier now refuses money and wants to go public about getting cheated. So she has finally learnt to stand up to injustice but has she learnt her lessons yet? No! Cos the very reason she's today in the soup she's in is cos of her naivety! And I loved how Raman showed her the mirror! Yes the boy is wrong but that doesn't make you right either!

Trust is something the leads - Ishita and Raman are right now dealing with.. A sorted couple who are so the perfect half of each other are yet finding it difficult to overcome the shadows of their past and to drop off the veils and flow in their emotions! And here they are sorting out an issue between two people who had misplaced trust in someone who so didn't deserve it (In Sarika's case - she was stupid to have trusted Romi and even more stupid to trust Ashok but the stupidest in not trusting Ishita and Raman - who have been her pillar of strength not once but ALWAYS)

Phew.. Hope I made some sense.. Can't wait for ur romance wala post Ruby 😳😳

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ThithliDhost

Beautiful post as always Ruby! 👏How nicely you have captured the highlights of last two weeks episode, under the title The VEIL & THE Shadow. 😊

When some lines helped me to understand the characters better, some helped me to see where the story may be heading. Connecting the dots, Points to ponder, being little more open minded about characters was my take away from this post.

Romy not negative, just an immature, irresponsible person.

There, to me that line beautifully explained Romy. To me that is exactly who Romy is. An immature, irresponsible, misguided young man.

Romy is just not a spoit brat. He is also a loving brother, dewar and son. We have seen him respecting his bhabhi, fighting for her honor, supporting her

In her missions, and being there for her when his brother couldn't. He is all for his family, when he is not busy doing his KANDs.. He loves his family, respects his elders and is with them when going gets tough.

Even in todays episode, I could see this character of his reflected. How he was with the family celebrating the festival, how he was playing with Ruhi and how he came forward to congrats his brother on his success. He was not sulking in a corner. He was not mad enough at his brother not to express his happiness..on his success. This is the Romy I like. This is the Romy, I feel, if guided well, supported well will grow up to a fine man. A man that the family will be proud of!

I sometimes feel, Romy is the way he is because of his family. The incidents that happened when he was at his teenage. His then bhabhi choosing money,power over relations, his mother always bad mouthing girls, his brother busy making money, leaving behind his daughter, his responsibility...all this may have clouded his sense of right and wrong. His behaviour/ thots/ perception IMO have started refining since Ishitha entered his life.

He was made to realise his mistakes, his responsibilities, importance of respecting women in general by Ishitha. But he never worked on this realisation. It was not needed. Like you pointed out, he was yelled at, reprimanded but never made to repent. His brother and mother shouldered his responsibilities for him and showed an easy way to get out of the tight spot.

The scene where, Romy realises that his mother is on his side, how he quickly goes and stands behind her , to me was so indicative of his current nature.I hope to see a Romy, who finally accepts his mistake, on his own, takes responsibility, acts to correct the wrong if he can. I want his journey towards the matured Romy to begin.

Sarika, a young girl susceptible to love, care and support.

What made Sarika to cut a deal with Param? Or rather why did Param cut a deal with Sarika? I never understood this.

My understanding is, Param harassed her, she complained, but Param somehow made her look, come out , as bad as he is. She was fired and so was he

Was the money dealing to buy her silence? And did Param back out when he realised that Simmi and family trust him and supports him?

But anyhow, the fact that Sarika compramised her principles, let it be for any reason is something against her.

This nature of not standing by her decision has cost her and ppl around her grief. IMO, this instability is a reflection of the life she has lived so far.

The unpredictability, the lack of support, non existence of a shield to draw strength from..makes her weak. She tries to do the best she can. To be strong. To be self respecting. To not to compramise.. But its hard.. It is hard to shoulder the burdens of life, all alone , all by herself.

What made Sarika turn to Romy?

The first meeting was all abt how she was stuck in a situation, and Romy offered to help right?

But the meeting following immediately was clearly showing her Romy is not what he projected to her.. He twisted facts to impress her.

What made her to ignore this knowledge? What made her to ignore all the warnings from Raman and Ishitha? Why she chose to believe Romy when the odds were against him? Why did she tell Romy that she will marry only the guy that her mother approves and then agreed to marry him secretly? Esp when she knew the entire family was against him? Why after the secret marriage she chose to surrender herself completely to him, without waiting for the family to ack the marriage first?

After lots of pondering,

You know I feel, what Sarika saw in Romy is just not him. It is the family that he belongs to. Its the stability that family projected. Its Raman & ishitha, its the complete package.. She believed once she is accepted she will finally get that stability, support and love that she yearned for. She will also be part of a family..

But once again her hopes were trashed. She was left to fight her own case. Ppl whom she thot will stand by her, according to her failed to do so.

So she now has taken help from the only source who offered it to her.. Asoaka..

Ruby, I like how you ended the section about sarika, quoting it here.

"The layers of false will erode one by one & the real faces will come out & show themselves .. the conclusion of this track will see a small twist ... & then the matter will resolve itself as a moot point "

I really hope the matter will resolve itself as a moot point.. I donot think Romi or Sarika are ready for a family/ married life.

ISHRA - Who should take the first bite..

I love The character Raman and to the same extend I love the character Ishitha..

Each have their own daemons they fight. To me they are like turtles, hiding behind a shell. Peep out of the shell, a teeny weeny bit only to pull back into the shell, the comfort zone.

Last two weeks I saw many changes in ISHRA's life.. But the net result, IMO is the need to express their feeling to each other was understood and a foundation for open communication was laid.

Last week I saw Ishitha screaming at top of her voice, Raman I care for you , I care a lot. Followed by a slew of disappointments, that he does not care for her, not trust her and a statement.. " there is no relationship without trust". Following which She went into a silence mode.

Today, I saw a husband who managed to broke the ice of silence..Who managed to re establish communication, who let his wife know, she looks beautiful and he likes her to give him importance.. Showed his care by not letting her fast and by fasting for her health and well being.

Today I saw a wife, who finally starts to hope that may be her husband loves her..

Raman has always showed his care, his love thru actions. Ishitha has verbalised her love as care..both are dying to take the relationship forward. Both want to ack that this is not just abt Ruhi, the relationship is also about them. I am looking fwd for that moment., the moment of open confession, the step fwd to each other..

I would like to end this with a naughty note.. If I may 😉

You know the sofa tucked away in the corner, ishitha retiring every day to it, to me always symbolises, how a personal space is maintained between these two. I would like to see, Raman letting her invade his personal space..invite Ishitha to share his sleeping space.. And She taking up his offer. Let go of the sofa And with it one layer of the shell. The comfort zone..



PS..

Anni, I did it.. 😳..



Awesome post 👏👏 i sooo love reading such well intepreted, well nuanced thoughts of some of you guys! Makes me more to be more regular here! 😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Ruby, as usual brilliant post.
you have very well covered everything.
This is a small thought of mine.

Raman is a man of pride and ego which came along with his hateful past. He believes that to become a man...A MAN...this ego and pride are quintessential, even though he knows that this will take a person away from his loved ones. IT had. For him. To accept himself in this male-centeric and ego-centeric world he changed himself burying the true, loving, vulnerable, caring Raman inside him. In this process of burial what had he lost...he lost his daughter's childhood, daughter's love, daughter's innocence. It took him long 6 years to embrace his daughter. He needed the help of his daughter's new mother to make himself believe that the child is the piece of himself. she is wholeheartedly himself; not Shagun which he till then believed. Then he took of the veil for her... only for her. Showered with love. Cried infront of her, laughed infront of her,made her believe that he loved her. Only a hug from him was required to make her believe that her father loved her most. the tension that he faced when he thought that he will lose her made him again vulnerable ,devoid of his pride and ego. By letting of the ego and pride, what have he gained...LOVE of his daughter.
He have to do this again to gain love. The LOVE of his wife. but this for him will be a much difficult process as he never let go of his past. he relates everything to his past, compares everything to the past. This cant happen in a new relation. when Ishitha told him you could have married a beautiful person when he teased her to go to spa and relax herself, his replay was this...once i had. i dont want it. This is a casual talk between them. But there too came his past. From the very first instance that he agreed to marry her, he , in his heart knows what kind of a person is she. He in a drunken state told this to his ex-wife. The veil that he is now clinging on to is his insecurity and fear of rejection ...just in the pretext of jealousy.

For love to be showered one must be responsible also. Because love comes with responsibility. He took the responsibility of his daughter with her new mother... NO...the new mother gave the responsibility if his daughter to him... this was what had happened. Till now he failed to understand this; Even though he is a very responsible person. This makes him cling to the past. Shagun never loved him, so she did not took the responsibility of him. In the flash back scene when his fingers was burnt he called her. she dint turn up; just told him to take care of himself. what his daughter's mother have done...she took the responsibility of her daughter's father to herself...treated him. Just before this scene she fell down. he dint take the responsibility to help her. Then, she loved her daughter's father he dint love his daughter's mother. Shagun cheated in the karwachauth. The past always lingers around him. She was the women destined to cheat him. so she cheated. His mother was not too harsh , we got it from the last episode. See the irony...Shagun made him believe all women is like this. He worded it by telling it to Ishitha ..."everyone do cheating...its normal"
Here come the dialogue of Mani to him..." Raman , i dont know what your problem is...are you jealous of me and Ishitha...or you see every women through the same as shagun...Because of your past."
When the accident prank was done, She ran towards her husband, hugged him...that was the return gift for him for his kiss. Did he hug back with the same intensity...her life too was in danger. He should have hugged her back. He dint. There lies his past. The past will never allow him to embrace his present. But he doesnt recognize this...she told him verbally...opened up to him at that moment...Still he dint understand...bewakoof punjaban😉.
Now, Mani again has to come to make him understand...i guess...

I dont know why my insane mind always find Adi and Romi as parallels...products of a spoiled nurturing.
For redemption to happen one must recognize the mistake done. Did Romi have ? Did his mother made him recognize his mistake no. Toshi is now doing what Shagun had done in the accident track. Did Adi recognized his mistake...no...if he had, a genuine sorry would have come from his mouth. It never happened. Same with Romi now.
See another mother in the same house...when Ruhi shouted to her father to take them for dinner..what did Ishitha do...she told her this should be never done...her daughter was sorry for her act. Next time when she did some mistake she feared how will her mother react...she knows her mother always want her to be a good kid. This is the lovable responsibility that the child shows to her mother. Her lover to her mother : which her chachu and bhaiyya lacked. LOVE and RESPONSIBILITY should go equally...for a perfect and healthy relationship.

Dont know even a word made sense to you all...if not ignore it.

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