At the end of the day Raman is ALL ALONE - Page 16

Originally posted by: gravity23

Ishita is going to soon fall into a trap, with all the leeway she lets Raman have. I mean, not that Raman wants to romance Shagun, but Ishita is a bit too understanding about Shagun and her life. Raman is right. There are somethings that need to be left as they are.
What leeway?? Are we watching the same show??? It was raman who wanted to do all the "adi ke liye" stuff! Here I won't even call it jackassry.

Supposing Shagun gets dumped and has nowhere to go, she will either make an entry right back into Raman's life OR permanently stay at Mihir's house OR take a house somewhere near Raman's apartment and stay with her cook mom.
Well of course she will!...why do you think the writers have placed shagun in Mihir;s house...it a step towards puttar. A half way house. Personally I can't wait for shagun to waltz back in puttar's life! It'll make interesting viewing!!

Either way, am sorry to say, but most of the drama is self-invited by Ishita only.

😆 There I was saying in a previoius comment, ishita will be blamed WHEN shagun is back with puttar and here you are proving me wrong. You have started already, when she isn't even back yet!!😆 Ishita brings back a drunk shagun for ONE night then she is at fault for the upcoming puttar/shagun track!!..Either way. I don't mind how it happens and who gets the blame. Shagun/puttar track will make interesting viewing!!

Right now, that she has decided to stand up for herself, it doesnt fit well because Raman isnt wrong in this particular scenario. Had Ishita been angry with him for lying to her and worrying her to death, I wouldve agreed. But more than that, she is angry that he "doesnt trust" her. What a dumb ass?!

She minds. She minds the taunts. If perhaps ppl watched with even a tad of impartiality, they would notice that she said, "You taunt me. I BEAR it. (Bear does not mean I LIKE it. It means, it hurts but I ignore that hurt) I can't bear the lack of trust" and THAT is being a dumb ass?😆 Coz she voiced HOW she feels?😕 Voiced what is important to her? It may not be important to you. Cool with me.
Oh and she also says, I nearly had 2 accidents trying to get here coz I thought you were hurt. She was angry and upset at puttar's moronic behaviour -fake accident story. Im not gonna tell you how to watch a show. You watch how you enjoy it. But I am not going to waste my time responding to your comments henceforth when you are watching with a visual and dialogue editing filter! Character preference and overy identification/empathy with a character I can understand. I may not do it but I can see how it can float some ppl's boat but this? No. No offense.

Husband comes into the house, sees wifey and best friend giggling their hearts out, wifey keeps nonchalantly trying the bracelet on best friend's wrist, and then clarifies its for MANI. And then feels sooo happy that Raman Kumar is kudhoing.

Yaara..some of you do more Mani jhap than ishita does!!😕😆

Do all of that, but then dont expect Raman to kiss your feet when you gift him man!!

He is just doing what you wanted him to do:KUDHO!

but nai...drama shuru!
indian soap! drama is compulsary!

Originally posted by: Nisha0604

Panthera

Its a Desi soap

I watch it for the entertainment value

Iam EXTREMELY SHALLOW AND CAPRICIOUS I will admit
If you say so. I don't know you so havn't and won't comment!

I am not a social scientist or a women's libber

I fight enough battles everyday in my real life

Desi TV is for PLEASURE alone for me

I LOVE RAMAN BHALLA I LOVE KARAN PATEL

No i dont harbor a secret desire to marry him

I WATCH IT FOR THE MINDLESS DRAMA

AND COMBUSTIBLE CHEMISTRY

I rarely identify with Ishita I am married to a man like Raman sans the verbal abuse part... but with other flaws instead

I have NO IDEA why Raman is more loved

I know why "I" love him more.

I am a die hard romantic, a part time freelancing cupid and a moonlighting romance author..😉. Its my hope to hook up as many jodis as possible in my lifetime😆

I suck up every bit of nonsensical romance Ekta Kapoor happens to throw at me

I am sorry if i sounded combative not my intention at all

Cheers!!🤗

Hope your discussion goes well

Originally posted by: Panthera

I have seen this before, where there is by many, over zealous and often blind one sided identification with the male compounded by female lead character assasination...and yet lead characters "romantic moments" are demanded!!😆

Yes there are some characteristics they all have in all shows. As for the majority not being able to identify with her even though they too are females has nothing to do with female solidarity or how teh character is penned, and more to do with cultural norms and indian soap indoctrination. Kekta and co know that most women are their own worst enemies. Just have a good looking male lead with a tragic past and all his jackassry will be justified, ignored or admired. Let me add here that raman is better than most. Wayyy better. He has a good heart but that doesn't mean he hasn't been shown to treat ishita like a verbal punchbag on a daily basis. Oh and just coz uptil now ishita hasn't minded doesn't make it right.

As for shagun's arrival back into puttar's life...I don't get your point. To me it implies coz she brought a drunk shagun home for one night, it will be her fault that shagun is back in puttar's life...when it happens.

There is plenty I don't like about how ishita behaves, not just puttar but I don't justify what I don't like about her by vilifying puttar! Am not saying you do I hasten to add. But a lot here do.

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

I agree with the TM

I agree that at the end of the day Raman is alone.

The problem never was Raman's sarcasm , one liners , rudeness hiding his golden heart, Ishita was fine with it , she grew used to it and later started liking it, she even started

comprehending it .

That was Raman . He could not be charming , well mannered in a conventional sense , but did all the right things when occasions demanded like

putting sister's husband in jail

putting son in community service though wife was ready to take case back

taking responsibility of whole family

being there for wife's family in hospitalization

dropping ex wife who ruined his life home in curfew by keeping personal emotions aside

standing up for her when she is expected to behave like an escort service girl to please his business partners by her current live in bf

Ishita actually understood that behind his camoflauge of rudeness and a dont care attitude , lay a good heart with strong values.

The problem never was his rudeness , she even fondly called him Ravan Kumar.

The problem was Mani . Her going overboard with his praise , regarding him as THE Mr Perfect and rubbing it on Raman's face all the time. To this date no one has told her that she did too much . Her sasural smiled and accepted it , her maika joined her in her bhajans. Actually sasural looks with raised eyebrows when bahu praises male friend so much ...and mother chides her daughter in private to focus on her marraige. Here it was all ulta. A Mani bhajan mandali was formed and Raman walked in night and day to find loud bhajans being sung everywhere ...in his family , in hers, in the bedroom , everywhere . Suddenly he was the bad guy , his wife was nowadays constantly irritated with him or making fun of him and nobody understood him .

Now please , this is strictly my opinion , and i would not even agree with anyone who said that cannot a wife have male friends etc , coz thats not the issue here . I am simply stating what was shown and this WAS shown .

Now there are many who will compare Shagun's presence in Raman's life with Mani's presence in Ishita's and say he deserved it and that Shagun too was rubbed in Ishita's face..

I disagree.

Shagun was Raman's divorced wife , an inevitable ugly past . Mother of his children.

Mani was nobody , just waltzed in from the blue as a 'best friend'.

Raman never talked about her , praised her . Hell , he even hid Mihir's relation with her , so much he hated her topic. He cut Ishita angrily whenever she foolishly tried to bring up her topic , he hated it when she put Shagun in their bedroom and he , the owner of that bedroom was forced to sleep out on the sofa. Like Shagun would have ever given up her bedroom with Ashok for Raman . He drank the dose of humiliation that Ishita forced him to take under the reason of helping a woman grudgingly , for her sake .

Ishita however constantttly talked of Mani . Mani Mani Mani , Mani this and Mani that . Ishita praised Mani . Ishita liked his topic. Her fandom surprised Raman . If he had brought in a girl friend saying he looked cute going with her to school , she in her pigtails and he in his muddy uniform and that she knew everything about him , more than his wife who constantly bugged him , i am sure he would be hated more than Ashok . Shagun is accepted indulgently as all know how much Raman hates her and because there is security for ISHRA relationship in that hate .

Even Ishita's sisters never had a heart to heart with her on the Mani jaap . They never had any individual opinions , were part of a mindless bhajan mandali . The mother surprised me the most , mothers r so perceptive and guide their daughters on the right path .

A marraige that was just taking off never took off because of Mani . Who gave this Mani importance ? Ishita.

However this is no blame on her . I am just saying that it would be nice to see a few scenes for a change where one would show Ishita the other side of the coin too .Why each time slaps only for Romi ? Raman slaps , Ishita slaps , Mr Bhalla slaps , how boring? Why not show Ishita getting a stern lecture , from Madhu or Vandita the sane sister as Mihika has changed bhajan mandalis nowadays and is in Shagun bhajan mandali ? By no means am i saying she should be slapped . Just a dose ?

I agree with TM when she says why the condition or expectation of change to prove 'love'? When Ishita has not changed an ounce of her naivete or stupidity or tiresome meddling in other people's lives and Raman started liking his Jhansi ki Rani for what she is , why expect him to be like Mani ? He is Raman , not Mani . Raman loved Ishita as she was Ishita , not Shagun .

Originally posted by: Panthera

😆 😆 I tell ya!!

Originally posted by: mnr123

Dear TM I partly agree n partly disagree with u.

Raman being All alone now is not because nobpdy is there to suport him but because he doesnt open up to people to ask help. Remember it was Ishita who helped Raman get his presidency back, land deal case n Save girl child campaign.

I agree Raman alone is not to b held respondible for Ishra marriage not working out, Ishita is equally responsible. N hopefully there is a track where someone will show her a mirror too so that she can work out her marriage.

About Ishita having expectations n hrr conditional love. Well y cant love be conditional? Even Raman has expectations. He dissess so much about her looks, her culture, her customs, her dressing etc R these no expectations? He also expects she will not meddle in other peoples lives but its difficult for her although he just wants her to leave this habit so that it doesnt affect her later on.

I agree its really too difficult to root for Ishita as a character coz f the way this character has been presented. She gets her rapist home, she is too understanding towards people like Shagun, believing a stranger woman. N also her contrasting views on Raman on one side she says Raman is caring n then she says he has never cared, one side she says she likes Ravan kumar then says I dont like ur taunts 😆.

But having said all f that Ishita still is sticking to this marriage, although she expects from Raman n misunderstands him that he will never love her back but still is adjusting in this marriage. Its not so easy to put up with a person like Raman n yet she is doing it, so atleast for these things we should not b hung up on her flaws, yes she is a flawed heroine but so what?

Originally posted by: Nisha0604

Panthera,

Many actually MIGHT WANT to be indoctrinated, you know what I mean?
I do. Although a pyschologist and a few others of various other disciplines around that area would be interested in WHY they want to be and if they are aware to level they are being indoctrinated in their viewpoints and thought patterns. But there you go, thats a different topic and out of the scope of indiaforums.

What is wrong? I believe not every thing in life has to have a meaning. I agree many take the show seriously, because they WANT to. I dont mock those that are being "intellectual" aboiut it, I dont mock those that "dont get the beauty of the technical stuff"
Hey if you have no problems with how kekta portrays her characters, serial in serial out then whatever floats your boat! 😊I got no probs with it. As for you mocking or not...why are you telling me this? If you are implying that its me doing the mocking then you are wrong. Am I mocking Ekta serials on the whole? Yes!

MOST, I would say 99.9% of people that watch YHM must have many many troubling issues in their real life
They probably dont care to invest too much energy in trying to get Ishita some recognition or justice

Their energies must be sapped trying to fight their OWN battles
Ha haha..so these ppl with many troubling real life issues, when it comes to raman, have time to...nevermind!!😆
Personally speaking I have to thank god that I have no troubling real life issues. So I have the energy to come online and comment on a few posts that spark my interest. I don't know what those fighting mani introduction and raman's aloneness are using. You will have to ask them.

I wont blame Kekta here, why should I blame her?

She does not FORCE me to watch... thank God India is a democracy...
I do. Agreed she doesn't force anyone to watch. But the quality of indian soaps is appalling on the whole. Ekta set the trend and the rest of the PHs followed. My opinion.

My sibling is a Post Doc & a well published social scientist, and a professor, she watches EVERY MINDLESS show possible in her free time😉
If she really is a social scientist she would NEED to watch EVERY MINDLESS show and they do get a fair bit of spare time. I know one too!😃 Please convey my sympathies to her. She is one brave gal!

She does enough during the day for the emancipation of women to worry about Ekta's leading ladies😃

I comment on topics and I may criticise or question actions of FICTIONAL characters. If certain ppl take that and in their minds, extrapolate that to it being a criticism of their viewing habits and intelligence and justify it with sibling qualifications and what not, then it says more about how they feel about themselves and their intelligence then it does about my views on certain actions of fictional characters. Not only is Indiaforums not a place to discuss that, personally, I am not interested. Im not working right now. Besides its against the rules. So next time if you respond to my comment, stick to topic.😃😆

Originally posted by: mnr123

Dear TM I partly agree n partly disagree with u.

Raman being All alone now is not because nobpdy is there to suport him but because he doesnt open up to people to ask help. Remember it was Ishita who helped Raman get his presidency back, land deal case n Save girl child campaign.

I agree Raman alone is not to b held respondible for Ishra marriage not working out, Ishita is equally responsible. N hopefully there is a track where someone will show her a mirror too so that she can work out her marriage.

About Ishita having expectations n hrr conditional love. Well y cant love be conditional? Even Raman has expectations. He dissess so much about her looks, her culture, her customs, her dressing etc R these no expectations? He also expects she will not meddle in other peoples lives but its difficult for her although he just wants her to leave this habit so that it doesnt affect her later on.

I agree its really too difficult to root for Ishita as a character coz f the way this character has been presented. She gets her rapist home, she is too understanding towards people like Shagun, believing a stranger woman. N also her contrasting views on Raman on one side she says Raman is caring n then she says he has never cared, one side she says she likes Ravan kumar then says I dont like ur taunts 😆.

But having said all f that Ishita still is sticking to this marriage, although she expects from Raman n misunderstands him that he will never love her back but still is adjusting in this marriage. Its not so easy to put up with a person like Raman n yet she is doing it, so atleast for these things we should not b hung up on her flaws, yes she is a flawed heroine but so what?