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eternalasha

@eternalasha

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Posted: 11 years ago

#31

Great topic and post Vandana. Looking at the responses it seems many feel this way.

1) To answer your question. I would have felt mortified and humiliated despite the the magnanimous speech at the end. The end does not justify the means. We saw in scene prior that she stopped the two aunties from creating a tamasha at Simmi's expense so she clearly doesn't like public scenes and this isn't the first time Raman has washed his laundry in public.

2) there seems to be a flaw in the whole Shagun falling down thing. If Raman deliberately made her fall to prove a point then that is just not classy. If in fact she accidentally fell, then does that mean, he would have continued to dance with Shagun till the end. And then where would Ishu be left?!

3)I agree, I didn't think the melodrama was necessary. If he actually focused on building a relationship with Ishu, then Ishra's combined vibration would raise to that of a united and committed couple and Shagun wouldn't even want venture near them.

Shagun and Ashok create drama because the narcissts in them thrive/depend on it. Although Shagun needed to be put in her place it wasn't needed to be done in public especIally at a wedding. I wish Raman hadn't resorted shagun's tactics. I do agree with others who have posted that Raman hasn't fully recovered from the hurt and humiliation of Shagun's abandonment and betrayal.

4) It's surprising that Raman, the man of action doesn't realize that he has to actually create the relationship he is making smart cutting speeches about. That is the action that will speak louder than words. It's ironic, he taunts Ishita about giving bhaashan.

5) He still seems to need public drama to express his feelings for/to Ishu's with some exceptions. In fact his penchant for the drama, and in fact even his one-liners and sarcasm and the "Ruhi ke liye" are a part of the wall that protects him for having emotional intimacy with Ishu. The depth of his feelings for her scare the day lights out of this mighty but vulnerable man.

Just imagine him in a room with Ishu without the armour of the taunts. He would actually have to feel his feelings and just be vulnerable in the moment. Now that would be sizzling unguarded chemistry. Just that would be more impactful than any contrived eye-locks.

It's time for Raman to demonstrate some true humility...he is the only one in the way of his own happiness.

Now don't get me wrong, I love RKB, ISHRA and YHM. I love that Raman is a flawed but passionate and human character. Even with all the flaws YHM is n-fold better than most other serials. I am a huge fan of all things yhm so far.

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ZaaraBB

@ZaaraBB

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Posted: 11 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

This is what i wrote in another thread .

was it really necessary to make such a public spectacle and push her down ? I mean she is the mother of his kids and Ruhi was there ? She always says irritating stuff , how about ignoring ? And why should Ishita be put up at the cost of putting Shagun down always , why CVS don't show independent relation ? Its always for 'Ruhi's sake' or 'better than Shagun' .





For me as i watched i did not like it a bit coz the child was watching .





So many things were wrong .

This kind of public spectacle was not needed in Mihir's engagement .

She is ultimately [ i assume] his sister and no one likes to see a sister humiliated thus by pushing her down .

Child feels disturbed too .

Ishita felt pained , yes , but she would not have if this had totally not happened .

Last and perhaps the least , if this value ever exists in an Ekta Kapoor show who makes tamashas in each function , a gentleman never pushes a woman down . When Raman dropped Shagun home on the curfew day i felt good . Today i did not .

So she said some vain stuff , she always does that . Did not the occasion demand ignorance as the best policy ?

And why constantly talk about the ugly divorce in public . CVs seem to know very limited ways of putting Ishita on the pedestal , favorite way is putting Shagun down and jab kuch nahi bacha tab 'Ruhi ke liye .'

YES. i second your post. Raman was not being a gentleman at all. he was very disrespectful when he threw her down..even tho he wanted to prove something to Shagun and insult her..his act was disgusting ..no man should do that to any woman..and plus Shagun is the 'mother" to his

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kaamchorni

@kaamchorni

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Posted: 11 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
This is what i wrote in another thread .

was it really necessary to make such a public spectacle and push her down ? I mean she is the mother of his kids and Ruhi was there ? She always says irritating stuff , how about ignoring ? And why should Ishita be put up at the cost of putting Shagun down always , why CVS don't show independent relation ? Its always for 'Ruhi's sake' or 'better than Shagun' .

For me as i watched i did not like it a bit coz the child was watching .

So many things were wrong .

This kind of public spectacle was not needed in Mihir's engagement .

She is ultimately [ i assume] his sister and no one likes to see a sister humiliated thus by pushing her down .

Child feels disturbed too .

Ishita felt pained , yes , but she would not have if this had totally not happened .

Last and perhaps the least , if this value ever exists in an Ekta Kapoor show who makes tamashas in each function , a gentleman never pushes a woman down . When Raman dropped Shagun home on the curfew day i felt good . Today i did not .

So she said some vain stuff , she always does that . Did not the occasion demand ignorance as the best policy ?

And why constantly talk about the ugly divorce in public . CVs seem to know very limited ways of putting Ishita on the pedestal , favorite way is putting Shagun down and jab kuch nahi bacha tab 'Ruhi ke liye .'

Thank you for this. I've always had an issue with the way the show handles Shagun and Ishita as the women in Raman's life. Why must they be connected in such a way that one must be brought down for the other to look good? You described it best with your point about independent relations. Also the way the show portrays Shagun as a woman with no identity just because she does not have a husband's surname to attach to herself is problematic.

The CVs can't use evil~ Shagun and her shenanigans (or even "Ruhi ke liye") to drive Raman and Ishita's relationship forward forever. Sooner or later they need to interact more privately to understand each other rather than these public 'proving I care' debacles.

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Tanni

@DivianTanz_Divz

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Posted: 11 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: john909
ok here raman was not wrong in what he did. it is shagun who keeps interfering in his life and also keeps trying to mess it up. raman has tolerated all kinds of nonsense from her but this time shagun crossed her limit by talking abt personal stuff abt ishita-raman. raman was right in showing shagun her place coz if he wud just keep on tolerating this nonsense, a day will come when shagun's actions would have major consequences on his relationship with ishita. when a problem is small it is better to control it then rather than waiting for it to become bigger. time and again shagun has insulted ishita so is raman is suppose to keep quiet? i dont get it, people here have issues if raman keeps quiet or raman take strong actions like this one. so far raman never took any actions against shagun's stupid plans but today instead of verbally replying her back, he showed her her place.

The fact is not of his being silent or replying back. The fact is he always does the same mistakes again and again at the 1st time, and then he realizes it and tries to mend it sometimes, not always. To err is to human. But, even a fool won't repeat a mistake this much like Raman is doing. So, it's exaggeration of his character.

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momb24

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Posted: 11 years ago

#35

I hope the creative team take note from this thread...Good post by everyone, it seems many are feeling the same about this.

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eternalasha

@eternalasha

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Posted: 11 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: kaamchorni

Thank you for this. I've always had an issue with the way the show handles Shagun and Ishita as the women in Raman's life. Why must they be connected in such a way that one must be brought down for the other to look good? You described it best with your point about independent relations. Also the way the show portrays Shagun as a woman with no identity just because she does not have a husband's surname to attach to herself is problematic.
The CVs can't use evil~ Shagun and her shenanigans (or even "Ruhi ke liye") to drive Raman and Ishita's relationship forward forever. Sooner or later they need to interact more privately to understand each other rather than these public 'proving I care' debacles.

Agree. They have already shown enough examples contrasting Ishu's goodness with Shagun's evilness and using Ruhi playing Cupid or Ruhi ke litye or Apshagun's shannanigans to bring them together. Point made, move on.

Time for the to create their own relationship privately. They need to get comfortable being each other and their own feelings.

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shalu79

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Posted: 11 years ago

#37

Agree with u.

I too think Shagun's presence should not affect Raman at all. I feel that he should be totally indifferent to her. There is no need for Raman to prove anything to her.

Hopefully that phase will also come. Its a gradual process. He had some past demons. Slowly with Ishita's presence and as he has started understanding her that day is also not too far.

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EKEK

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Posted: 11 years ago

#38

Seriously a ridiculous track..

Made no sense !! CEO making a joke out oh his personal life.. Taking away the thrill from the couple during their party and talking about his past life and current and x wife..

Please can they stick to the theme of Matured love story or parenthood complications or any other sensible track rather then showing the lead dancing around with his x to prove a point.:.:

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pomegranate

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Posted: 11 years ago

#39

SO much has been said on this topic that there is not much else to say, but I will add in my two cents

1) I did not like how raman handled this, why is it necessary to push down shagun in order to raise up ishita? there is no comparison between the two woman, we don't need to how terrible shagun is BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW THAT, AND RAMAN DOES AS WELL

2) raman chose this path because he wanted to put shagun in her place after all her taunts and torments. I can't say I did not enjoy shagun's fall, because I did. she had it coming after all the nonsense she was spewing lately but I wish it wasn't at ishita's expense. He could have chosen another way to humiliate her but he chose this for his personal satisfaction. His plan was to take shagun to cloud nine and drop her just as fast, and it worked, she was humiliated but what about ishita? raman was so caught up in his high strategy revenge, that he did not even consider ishita and her feelings.

3) ishita is rightfully angry and that magnanimous speech at the end won't soothe the sting. If I were her, I would just walk away but things took a turn for the worse and her walking away would look bad so she soldiered on. I respect her for that, it's unfortunate that she does so much, gives so much but always gets the short end of the stick

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pyaaribehna

@pyaaribehna

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Posted: 11 years ago

#40

raman is a rude bitter person. a selfish one also. there is no romance between him and ishita. raman cannot appreciate the fact that his wife ishita was better than him in salsa dance . he asks mr iyer sarcastically whether ishita was alone in the competion. that is how nasty he is .

he cannot straighten shagun the normal way. raman gets drunk and gets into shagun's house tells that he loves her still.

what more can anyone expect from raman? who has no manners. has no nice word to say to ishita any time. only under pressure from ruhi and when he is proved wrong openly does he become somewhat better.

that being so it is only natural he treats shagun too the same way as his nature dictates.

ishita says right that raman takes "decisions" for others? that is because he is selfish and cares nothing for others. except his own selfish ends.

he thinks nothing of others as different human beings with their likes and dislikes. he treats them as slaves and puppets. that is why.

Edited by pyaaribehna - 11 years ago