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Posted: 11 years ago
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There was an article in the beginning saying Mihir is Shagun's brother. The path for Shagun's return to Raman is being laid down in the most subtle manner. Here, Shagun is getting jealous watching Raman and Ishita while Ashok is on his way to being unfaithful. He is getting irritated with Shagun's fixation towards Raman and Ishita. Obviously, there will be something between Mihika and Ashok. I am not saying Mihika will respond to Ashok. Shagun is also missing out on her brother's life, she wants Ruhi etc. It amazes me how all of this is interlinked. Other wise, I don't see any reason to bring up their relation now.
I know my reply is not related to your topic but the scene yesterday got me thinking along these lines.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mihir's full name is Mihir Arora in the show and Shagun's maiden name is Shagun Singh. Not really a proof of being siblings.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Metamorphmagus

There was an article in the beginning saying Mihir is Shagun's brother. The path for Shagun's return to Raman is being laid down in the most subtle manner. Here, Shagun is getting jealous watching Raman and Ishita while Ashok is on his way to being unfaithful. He is getting irritated with Shagun's fixation towards Raman and Ishita. Obviously, there will be something between Mihika and Ashok. I am not saying Mihika will respond to Ashok. Shagun is also missing out on her brother's life, she wants Ruhi etc. It amazes me how all of this is interlinked. Other wise, I don't see any reason to bring up their relation now.

I know my reply is not related to your topic but the scene yesterday got me thinking along these lines.

Good post Sneha.
LOL - Yes a large neural network of inter-connections.😊
Hmmm. I thought the Mihir-Shagun thing was being brought up for the Mihir-reveal due to the whole Trisha-Mihir-Mihika thing and the tension it is causing with IshRa - Raman claims he has haq for making decisions in Mihir's life while Ishita and even us forumites are having a hard time thinking that as OK especially in such a big life decision.
I didn't think of it as being laying the path for the Shagun's return but now you have made me think.
I thought they might bring Shagun back after the IshRa relationship is established and then Shagun comes back and Ishu voluntarily steps out of the way. Although I wonder how MR&MRs Bhalla would react and if Shagun would be willing to live with Raman and his parents. See even though Raman is rich now, I don't think he will abandon his responsibilities towards his family.
If it happens now - it would be interesting to see if Raman would get back together with Shagun, Ruhi and Adi Ke Liye even though Shagun has betrayed him as a husband and could do so again. he has seen the positive influence Ishita has had on Ruhi and knows that's Shagun's influence is not so good on ruhi or Adi (even before the divorce). Or if he would stay with Ishita really for Ruhi and Adi Ke Liye (in their real best interests) and turn down Shagun
Interesting, I didn't get the Shagun felt she was missing out on her brother's life maybe even a little on Ruhi's but in Ruhi's case it seems she wants the benefits without the responsibility - I am not yet sold on her commitment to Ruhi beyond the superficial.
Even if it was not Mihika, it was probably a matter of time before Ashok strays. I was wondering if Ashok's interest in Mihik is to get to Ishita and break up IshRa since Ashok is loosing his hold over Raman since Ishita. While Ashok was subtley flirting possibly with Mihika I wasn't sure of his interest in her
What are your thoughts?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Metamorphmagus

The path for Shagun's return to Raman is being laid down in the most subtle manner. Here, Shagun is getting jealous watching Raman and Ishita while Ashok is on his way to being unfaithful. He is getting irritated with Shagun's fixation towards Raman and Ishita. Obviously, there will be something between Mihika and Ashok. I am not saying Mihika will respond to Ashok. Shagun is also missing out on her brother's life, she wants Ruhi etc. It amazes me how all of this is interlinked. Other wise, I don't see any reason to bring up their relation now.

I know my reply is not related to your topic but the scene yesterday got me thinking along these lines.



Interesting idea but I beg to differ here Sneha.

I dont think this paves a way for Shagun' return though that is def on the cards as is Subu' return - but this revelation as per me has nothing to do with it.

On the contrary if anything it will help clear a major, MAJOR misunderstanding between IshRa.

Ishita has always been under the presumption Raavan Kumar has been Raman' go to mode always 😆 - in short it was this attitude of his which Shagun could not tolerate for long, the final nail being the abuse he dealt out to Adi, making the kid land in hospital.

Yes Ishita sees now that Raman is a good man beneath the surface - she admitted to Bala - he loves his kids to death, is a good son and brother but can be downright so mean to them, he says the sharpest words and she cant figure out why does the family put up with his behavior.

This in my opinion will be the track which will if not its entirety than even partially reveal the truth of Shagun walking out on Raman and their marriage but also perhaps provide Ishita a glimpse into the soft-spoken, mild-mannered man Raman used to be. Someone who transformed into this aggressive control-freak he is today owing to the misery he bore in his past.

People are awaiting the commencement of romance between IshRa and while I respect and understand the sentiment I don't support it yet.

These two are people with baggages that aren't an easy burden - they both have been gravely and deeply hurt, humiliated and betrayed in different ways but a similar manner by people they considered their first true love and perhaps even their last.

For them to even began a cordial relation they need to understand that the other too has been through an experience much the same - thus paving a way for them to lay the groundwork of their relationship.

They need to get out the issues in the open, the truths of their past in order to finally move on.

And while Shagun herself has a lot of potential for being a force that will target IshRa' happiness - in actuality I am more eager for the commencement of the Ishita- Subu track.

In my opinion it carries an explosive potential more deadly than Shagun - Shagun herself has dug her grave so to speak in my opinion try as she might, even for his kids Raman wont have her back - she may find a way to stay at the Bhalla home in the future due to some lame Balaji antic but would not be able to get back a place in Raman' heart.

But Subu - oh that is pure gold - I believe with a 101% conviction - he still loves Ishita and he married his wife under pressure from his mom.

I recently saw the episode where Subu and Ishita' relationship was shown in a short span of barely 2 mins - but I could see the love between them so very clearly. Just look at them here





esp this pic - its so very telling




And when he breaks up their engagement his back is to Ishita, he wouldn't meet her eyes nor look at her.

And when he learns Ishita has found someone - even if it was a lie at the time - there is a barest hint of pain flickering across his features.

If it is out in the open Subu never ditched Ishita of his own free will - and perhaps wants her back - Raman will be in for a hell of a ride - he wont be able to give up Ishita, because of his daughter and somewhere because she clearly is making her presence in his life, a constant he relies on. but he wont be able to hold her back too - not out of force - if he thinks that Ishita can be happier with the man she truly loves.

the triangle of Shagun- Raman -Ashok will bow out to give way to Raman-Ishita- Subu, but for that their has to be first a way that Ishita and Raman connect beyond their - Sirf Ruhi Ke Liye mode - and realize they are kindred spirits - really making it quite the dilemma when Subu makes a return - not just for Ishita - but also for Raman - though the endgame would of course be IshRa. 😳
Edited by EkPaheli - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: eternalasha

Good post Sneha.Thank you Sneha.😆
LOL - Yes a large neural network of inter-connections.😊 Yeah.I am said to think a lot. Like a lot lot!😆
Hmmm. I thought the Mihir-Shagun thing was being brought up for the Mihir-reveal due to the whole Trisha-Mihir-Mihika thing and the tension it is causing with IshRa - Raman claims he has haq for making decisions in Mihir's life while Ishita and even us forumites are having a hard time thinking that as OK especially in such a big life decision.
I didn't think of it as being laying the path for the Shagun's return but now you have made me think.
I thought they might bring Shagun back after the IshRa relationship is established and then Shagun comes back and Ishu voluntarily steps out of the way. Although I wonder how MR&MRs Bhalla would react and if Shagun would be willing to live with Raman and his parents. See even though Raman is rich now, I don't think he will abandon his responsibilities towards his family. Raman would definitely not repeat the same mistake again. It is now Shagun's turn to prove she's the perfect bahu. I don't think the Bhallas would want her back but if it will make Raman happy, I don't think they'll object. But this time Shagun cannot get away with behaving badly. The Bhallas also wouldn't settle for anything less than perfect. After all, they'd be spoilt by Ishita as a bahu.😆 All this of course, if Raman decides to get back with Shagun.
If it happens now - it would be interesting to see if Raman would get back together with Shagun, Ruhi and Adi Ke Liye even though Shagun has betrayed him as a husband and could do so again. he has seen the positive influence Ishita has had on Ruhi and knows that's Shagun's influence is not so good on ruhi or Adi (even before the divorce). Or if he would stay with Ishita really for Ruhi and Adi Ke Liye (in their real best interests) and turn down Shagun Normally, I'd think Raman would never let Shagun come in to his life again. But, the Aditya episode makes me doubt it. Because though Ruhi loves her Ishima, she isn't awkward with Shagun Mumma. So, we have to wait and see.
Interesting, I didn't get the Shagun felt she was missing out on her brother's life maybe even a little on Ruhi's but in Ruhi's case it seems she wants the benefits without the responsibility - I am not yet sold on her commitment to Ruhi beyond the superficial.I agree. But sometimes, it feels she genuinely wants Ruhi in her life. Now that Ruhi is past that diaper phase and all, she can have fun with a daughter in her life.
Even if it was not Mihika, it was probably a matter of time before Ashok strays. I was wondering if Ashok's interest in Mihik is to get to Ishita and break up IshRa since Ashok is loosing his hold over Raman since Ishita. While Ashok was subtley flirting possibly with Mihika I wasn't sure of his interest in her Ashok hasn't recognised Mihika. At least that's what I think. He might later find out the added benefit of flirting with this beautiful girl.
What are your thoughts?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I did not read the earlier article but it might be...shagun is very selfish and left everything and everybody...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Interesting idea but I beg to differ here Sneha.
Thank you Aani. It is nice to read so many perspectives.😊
I dont think this paves a way for Shagun' return though that is def on the cards as is Subu' return - but this revelation as per me has nothing to do with it.

On the contrary if anything it will help clear a major, MAJOR misunderstanding between IshRa. I disagree with you here. I don't think Subbu will return. But now that I got thinking about it, it seems possible. Secondly, I would say it is a miscommunication or the lack of communication instead of misunderstanding. Beyond, the basics the two of them never tried to know anything about the other.

Ishita has always been under the presumption Raavan Kumar has been Raman' go to mode always 😆 - in short it was this attitude of his which Shagun could not tolerate for long, the final nail being the abuse he dealt out to Adi, making the kid land in hospital.

Yes Ishita sees now that Raman is a good man beneath the surface - she admitted to Bala - he loves his kids to death, is a good son and brother but can be downright so mean to them, he says the sharpest words and she cant figure out why does the family put up with his behavior.

This in my opinion will be the track which will if not its entirety than even partially reveal the truth of Shagun walking out on Raman and their marriage but also perhaps provide Ishita a glimpse into the soft-spoken, mild-mannered man Raman used to be. Someone who transformed into this aggressive control-freak he is today owing to the misery he bore in his past.

People are awaiting the commencement of romance between IshRa and while I respect and understand the sentiment I don't support it yet.
I agree. I want to see them go properly to the point where they will fall in love with each other.
These two are people with baggages that aren't an easy burden - they both have been gravely and deeply hurt, humiliated and betrayed in different ways but a similar manner by people they considered their first true love and perhaps even their last.
Here comes another issue. Raman's past has been given priority and Ishita's just a mention. So, for me it is hard to believe Ishita is still hurt by that incident. Sure, Subbu will always be remembered with some pain but in essence she has moved on. At least it feels so to me.
For them to even began a cordial relation they need to understand that the other too has been through an experience much the same - thus paving a way for them to lay the groundwork of their relationship.

They need to get out the issues in the open, the truths of their past in order to finally move on.
I don't think it is necessary for love to not happen unless everything is out in the open. Their past may play a role in making them love the other even more.
And while Shagun herself has a lot of potential for being a force that will target IshRa' happiness - in actuality I am more eager for the commencement of the Ishita- Subu track.

In my opinion it carries an explosive potential more deadly than Shagun - Shagun herself has dug her grave so to speak in my opinion try as she might, even for his kids Raman wont have her back - she may find a way to stay at the Bhalla home in the future due to some lame Balaji antic but would not be able to get back a place in Raman' heart.
True. Some drastic event only can make Raman let Shagun come in to his house. She can never make place for herself in his heart.
But Subu - oh that is pure gold - I believe with a 101% conviction - he still loves Ishita and he married his wife under pressure from his mom.

I recently saw the episode where Subu and Ishita' relationship was shown in a short span of barely 2 mins - but I could see the love between them so very clearly. Just look at them here





esp this pic - its so very telling




And when he breaks up their engagement his back is to Ishita, he wouldn't meet her eyes nor look at her.

And when he learns Ishita has found someone - even if it was a lie at the time - there is a barest hint of pain flickering across his features.

If it is out in the open Subu never ditched Ishita of his own free will - and perhaps wants her back - Raman will be in for a hell of a ride - he wont be able to give up Ishita, because of his daughter and somewhere because she clearly is making her presence in his life, a constant he relies on. but he wont be able to hold her back too - not out of force - if he thinks that Ishita can be happier with the man she truly loves.If in case Subbu does make a re-entry, I think Raman will show his selfish and a slightly sadistic side. This of course, can only happen if he isn't aware of Ishita's feelings for him. But, I don't think Subbu will come back.

the triangle of Shagun- Raman -Ashok will bow out to give way to Raman-Ishita- Subu, but for that their has to be first a way that Ishita and Raman connect beyond their - Sirf Ruhi Ke Liye mode - and realize they are kindred spirits - really making it quite the dilemma when Subu makes a return - not just for Ishita - but also for Raman - though the endgame would of course be IshRa. 😳 I agree.😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Aani I am sure Raman and Mihir have a back story to them. Else the kind of loyalty that Mihir shows to Raman is indeed questionnable.Also I feel Raman is quite possessive for Mihir. He always want to dominate mihir. He doesnt even dominate Romi that much.Such kind of possessiveness is only present in relationships you are scared to lose.

And waise I also found this old article...it does say that Mihir is Raman's BIL:

Vineet Raina was last seen in Zee TV's Punar Vivah season 1 and was a part of Star Plus's Ye Hain Mohabattein. But along with the replacement of the lead actor played by Cezanne Khan in the show Vineet's character (Mihir) too was replaced. Raj Singh Arora was signed in the show in place of Vineet.

TellyBuzz got in touch with the actor to know more about his sudden ouster from the show, other plans and much more...

On being asked Vineet to describe his character in the show Ye Hain Mohabattein, he says, "I was supposed to play the character of Mihir, who is Raman's brother-in-law. But Cezzane Khan (Raman) got replaced and Karan Patel came in his place. I shot with him as well but the requirement of the show didn't match and I was told that I would be replaced."

As per him, his character was looking the same age as that of Karan Patel and that is why he was replaced, "Earlier Cezzane was Raman and I was Mihir and on screen it was looking perfect. Then I don't know what happened between Cezzane and Ekta, and he got replaced. When Karan filled in, I was looking the same age as that of him. Ekta wanted the brother-in-law to look younger and thus I was replaced," says Vineet.

Vineet initially felt bad but now has no regrets of being replaced in the show and says, "I gave my 5 to 6 months for the show, first with Cezzane and later with Karan so it's obvious to feel bad. Even though in the meantime I missed out on many opportunities of new shows and entering in an on-going show, I was disturbed but have no regrets of doing this show. It's ok."

When we asked him the lost opportunities he says, "Well, I was supposed to play the lead in Sapne Suhane Ladakpan Ke, when a new lead was being introduced but I had to say no to them. There were few other shows but as I said, I'm ok with it. I'll get new shows and I am also doing a new documentary."

Telling us more about the documentary he further adds, "It's a Norwegian film for the festival. The story revolves around musicians and their journey and I'm reading scripts for the same. People have come down for the shoot and will soon start the shooting of the film."

Actor Raj Singh Arora has replaced Vineet Raina in the show, so when we quizzed him about if he has ever met Raj Singh Arora, Vineet says, "Who is Raj Singh Arora, sorry I don't know him, I will Google and see him. But I with all the best to Ekta Kapoor and her on-going show Ye Hain Mohabattein."

Well, Vineet we wish that you come back soon on TV!
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Hey thanks for the article Mallu I read it the day I made the post and Maaneet099 commented about it, prior to this I was unaware about Vineet Raina and his article.

But yeah, I agree the loyalty and dominance - two factors which can be described as the backbone of this relationship at the moment have their roots in some incident, some act of kindness (?) or some sort of a huge favor - something huge that makes Mihir unquestionably loyal to him, makes him follow Raman' lead no questions asked.

Honestly at first I drew parallels with Saajan here for that - I felt maybe Mihir as an orphan was in some way sponsored/supported by the Bhallas, but that went down the drain the moment his unflinching loyalty towards Raman and Raman alone came into highlight. Not to mention the fact I saw this scene where Shagun tries to catch hold of his hand or call him (I cant rem exactly) and he snubs her. That had me thinking there is a deeper game at play here.

Shagun wouldn't even bother to look at someone who is so loyal to Raman, let alone let him snub her, but at the time I wondered if its possible that during the time she was with Raman - she developed some sorta rapport with Mihir, you know someone she really happened to make a connection with but the scene the other day where Mihir chides her - that sorta aggression isnt between mere acquaintances nor is the kind of anger aimed towards a friend/mentor' wife with whom you became friends too in the process - thats someone you were deeply hurt and perhaps humiliated by - someone your own.

Now the question arises if they are siblings - but as IndianRihanna pointed out they have different surnames - but anything is possible here. Perhaps they are cousins who were raised together, who were really close to each other or maybe after her divorce from Raman -Shagun couldnt keep her maiden name as she was disowned by her own family too, making them want to not associate her name with them in any manner.

So while she dropped the Bhalla and waited for the Khanna she went for Singh in the mean time for legal purposes 🤔 I wonder whats the exact reason. But it is a revelation I am waiting for, something which perhaps will serve a purpose I believe. At least I hope it does anyway, but wont keep my hopes high this is Balaji we are talking about here after all. 😆
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Hey Sneha 😊
thanks for the reply and I got your message too about it earlier 😊

See I am not saying they are gonna bring back Subu like sometime soon, but I believe they will at some point.

If you remember we had this convo about Ishita' past and her story not having any prominence until now in the show in my SS - The Risk To Blossom, and I had said then - perhaps because the makers are opting for a novel-like approach here with Raman acting as the narrator, we see things he sees and knows and has lived so far, but until and unless he learns the story of Ishita' past, we wont too. Hence Ishita' story would need to have Subu in it. Even if in scenes of flashbacks.

Raman believes his relationship would have completed 12 years the month he married Ishita, and he even sarcastically asks the same to Ishita when they leave to attend that valentine' day party by his friend, as to how can people sustain a relationship for that long. And Ishita just looked at him with this resignation that said - this man is such a pessimist,Can he never believe in anything?

Ishita, as is shown was in a relationship with Subu since the time they were 15 - now even if they broke up some 4-5 years ago, that would make their relationship a decade long at the least, given the fact that Ishu is 30 now. She knows a relationship can survive that long - but is even aware that it doesn't guarantee a lifetime of togetherness.

Raman I think merely believes or is under the impression Ishita was engaged to Subu and later on with Pratik - though that never materialized - he doesn't know she was in love with the guy for such a long time. That even she carries that exact same baggage - memories that don't abandon, dreams that never got realized and trust that was betrayed.

When I say about things being out in the open - I am not saying things have to be explored in detail with attention to every memory and event - but that it is important for Ishita to learn that Raman was the one betrayed here and Shagun isn't the victim she perceives her to be. Their marriage ended because she chose to walk out on Raman for riches from another man, not because he was a sadist who abused her son, as Shagun had informed Ishita, on the occasion of her marriage with Raman. Yes, the recent restaurant apology ought a have made Ishita question the authenticity of those accusations but the makers never went there.

Similarly, Raman has to know Ishita' story too, if not in an in-depth version then at least the outlines of it, he doesnt have any idea of what Ishita has went through - all he knows is her engagement broke because she is barren - and while that is true, there is more to the story then just the conclusion he learned, and unless he finds that out - however will he be able to bond with Ishita? Learn that here is a woman who has faced as much as him, and yet it hasn't made her into this ruthless person he chose to become, he would strive to better himself, if perhaps he learns that he isn't singled out here - in this act of betrayal - Ishita too has been dealt much the same hand as him.

I am not saying Subu will necessarily try to win back Ishita - but their paths might cross and given that Ishita' story needs to be heard (and this is Balaji, we are talking about) I am sure they will.

regarding your point whether Ishita is still hurt - yes she is. Like I said I am slowly catching up with the show and I recently started catching up on what I missed online and in the very 3rd episode of the show - the scenes of which I have posted the caps - Subu makes an appearance in the present too. Ishita is not only visibly shaken by his appearance but admits to having found someone when she sees him holding hands with his very pregnant wife in front of her - her resolve to lie becomes firm upon that moment. And later when she reaches her home, which was flooded due to a tap left open, she is shown to be aggressive and completely angry, that makes me believe she isn't over the hurt Subu caused her. She is over him - but she hasn't healed. She has just been able to have a better grip over herself.

And as is said still waters run deep - Ishita is calm on the surface - but there is a turbulence of enormous amount simmering beneath it.

Shagun' withdrawal made Raman aggressive - he erected walls around himself and withdrew the loving, kind man he was. Subu' betrayal - it exactly is not known what sorta effect it had on Ishita - like we already discussed - her story is still an unopened. untouched book. 😳

The recent hug Raman suddenly sprang upon her - she goes slack and is shocked by his audacity not only because it was an uncalled-for and unexpected gesture - but because besides Subu, she never ever has been held by another man, not in the way Raman did at least and spoken those words too as well. And here she was by a man who barely is nice to her if at all, so that was not appreciated by her.

And in case Subu re-appears, it will be interesting to see Ishita handle his return and Raman would definitely be someone to watch out for, he has lost a wife to another man - if his current wife finds herself face to face with her past - it is a possibility he may find himself thinking, dreading - that history may repeat itself with him. And that might perhaps finally open his eyes to the nature of his relationship with Ishita and how he feels for her, he wouldnt want to be with a woman he doesnt love but he wouldnt be able to be without her too, and not only because Ruhi cannot lose another mother.

Something has to snap out IshRa from this - Sirf Ruhi ke liye mode - and that can be only if they learn to find the partner they both want and need in life in each other- but for that purpose they need to heal from the wounds of their past, and while none of them has succeeded in the past alone - together they would and will - but for that to happen, they have to first learn that they both carry the same wounds, are ailed by the same pain. 😳

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