The tragedy of life is not death but what we let die inside of us.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I would like to apologize in advance if I were to hurt anyone in regards to my post.
WARNING: This is a SUPER BLUNT post!

~~ Somehow excluding ISHRA's dance & the duo Aunty-Niece Scene, I found the rest of the scenes extremely disturbing.

Before I begin though, *The following goes out to Ishita & to all those who are like her!* [This are some of things I PREACH in life, but that doesn't mean that everybody has got to agree with me. -Opinions may differ.]

=>> Remember that, sometimes being Too Nice is DANGEROUS. You have to show your mean side once in a while to avoid getting hurt.

=>> When someone treats you like an option, help them narrow their choices by removing yourself from the equation.

=>> Don't let your loyalty become slavery.

=>>Know when to let go & never, I repeat NEVER compromise on SELF RESPECT.

~~ The way Ishita is being treated by Raman & some of his family members are NOT AT ALL ACCEPTABLE. I'm sure if it was some other woman, she would have ran away long time ago, the whole 'sirf ruhi ke liya' would have been chucked in the dumpster only. Ruhi is the ONLY REASON why Ishita tolerates their bloody nonsensical behaviour. [I'm glad, at least Raman was aware of that, though it is not enough.] I felt like, Raman was nothing but a Hypocrite in that scene with Ruhi. He goes to Adi and tells him that, (1+1=5) than goes to Ruhi and tells her, (1+1=4) followed by Shagun and tells her that, (1+1=6) and finally goes to Ishita and tells..no wait more like shouts at her that, (1+1=3) but what Raman failed to realize is that, (1+1=2)!


~~ Raman Kumar Bhalla, if You want to show off to your Ex-Wife, fine go ahead... whatever...that's your problem but don't you ever use Ishita for that. Don't forget, she's not some escort type wala woman, she's your wife and that clearly DOES NOT give you the right to take advantage of her, whenever you feel like it.For me, the biggest coward of a man is to awaken the love of a woman without the intention of loving her. [I could read the disappointment in Ishita's eyes when she got to know the truth, about Raman sudden bizarre behaviour.]


~~ I'VE HAD ENOUGH! The process to make Raman's heart Beat&Breathe again needs to be revised. It's about time Ishita took a handful of Salt & Chillies, grind them together than take that mixture and rub it vigorously all around Raman's wounded heart. Get this straight Raman Kumar Bhalla, STOP acting as if you are the only person in this entire world who has suffered so much of pain, bloody get your act together and grow up already.You know what Raman, Everyone has crap in their background, everyone has things they wish they could undo, but most people don't go around doing their best to screw up their present life because of it. If not, tumhara Ishita will no longer be your present but just a memory of your past. And if that ever happens, the word 'REGRET' would be given a new definition based on what you will be going through.


~~ Have you guys ever noticed that the more special something is, the more people seem to take it for granted? [Raman's attitude & behaviour towards Ishita is without a doubt the PREFECT example] It's like they think it won't ever change. But they always keep forgetting that, Even the nicest people have their limits.


~~ RAMAN, you always claim that you hate in fact not only hate but despise Ashok & Shagun than why have you become like them? You've turned into the very people you despise. The worst thing that could happen to someone is for them to transform into something, they didn't even want to wish upon their enemy. You have got to STOP IT Raman, don't let your struggle become your identity.


This post though is focused on the negative aspect it doesn't change the fact that, I was a Romantic, I still am & will always be. "ISHRA is meant to be" NOW&FOREVER, I've got no doubts on that.


With Love,

Shiva.


P.S. Dear Lord, Please grant me the ability to punch people over the TV. I just wanna hit that bloody Ashok so hard that my fist will phase through his face and come out the other side. As for Shagun, I would love to slap her as well but than that would be animal abuse. And for Adi, well his already being punished I guess, pushing away a loving father & his family who will truly Love him for roaches like Shagun & Ashok, I suppose there's no better way to punish him than to let him stay with them!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Woah😲..Great Analysis Shiva..👏👏 Lot of thoughts and frustration about Raman's behaviour flowing out in this post..Very different perspective and ya I love Ishu , so I agree with you when you say she's being treated very harshly by Raman👍🏼

Esp the below:

=>> Remember that, sometimes being Too Nice is DANGEROUS. You have to show your mean side once in a while to avoid getting hurt. =>>Know when to let go & never, I repeat NEVER compromise on SELF RESPECT.Yeah Ishita should unleash her rudravataar sometimes, being too nice is not nice..


I felt like, Raman was nothing but a Hypocrite in that scene with Ruhi. He goes to Adi and tells him that, (1+1=5) than goes to Ruhi and tells her, (1+1=4) followed by Shagun and tells her that, (1+1=6) and finally goes to Ishita and tells..no wait more like shouts at her that, (1+1=3) but what Raman failed to realize is that, (1+1=2)!Darne ka nahi ..aap ke mai aache se khayaal rakhoongi- If he proves something to Shagun/Ashok I dont care about that, but what is he trying to prove to Adi..still beats me😕..I am just not able to understand why is he so blinded by Adi that he overlooks his loving family..He's just going behind what he doesn't have instead of appreciating what he has.. In a way you are right, he is becomming like Shagun and Ashok


I could read the disappointment in Ishita's eyes when she got to know the truth, about Raman sudden bizarre behaviour.-I felt that too..I did sense she did feel like she's being used..

Get this straight Raman Kumar Bhalla, STOP acting as if you are the only person in this entire world who has suffered so much of pain, bloody get your act together and grow up already.You know what Raman, Everyone has crap in their background, everyone has things they wish they could undo, but most people don't go around doing their best to screw up their present life because of it. Agree with this too..Ishu has also suffered so much in life..I dont understand why he cant move on and appreciate the wonderful things in life..What is he trying to gain..self pity??..😕

But they always keep forgetting that, Even the nicest people have their limits. He better realize this before its too late and he loses Ishu and Ruhi..He is pushing his limits with Ishu..She'll definitely break one day..

You've turned into the very people you despise. The worst thing that could happen to someone is for them to transform into something, they didn't even want to wish their enemy upon. You have got to STOP IT Raman, don't let your struggle become your identity. -Totally agree with this one..He's just developing the same traits as the creeps..I hope he realizes it soon and recover from it..


Edited by simples28 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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You GO Girl!! I feel ya.

Specially liked the ones below...

Originally posted by: ForbbidenLove

=>> When someone treats you like an option, help them narrow their choices by removing yourself from the equation.

. Get this straight Raman Kumar Bhalla, STOP acting as if you are the only person in this entire world who has suffered so much of pain, bloody get your act together and grow up already.You know what Raman, Everyone has crap in their background, everyone has things they wish they could undo, but most people don't go around doing their best to screw up their present life because of it.


P.S. Dear Lord, Please grant me the ability to punch people over the TV.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Ahhh! Shiva!!!!!

Your posts are beautiful and so brilliantly thought out!!! Thank you SO much for sharing your thoughts and for giving us an avenue to discuss this aspect of Raman and Ishita's relationship.

I agree, Raman has gone on far too long playing the victim card and mourning as if he is the only one with a burden to carry. I think all of us on this forum can agree that Raman can be very crass and disrespectful. I don't think any one of us supports him when he puts up this carnal, feral front and I don't think Ishita is one to ignore it either. I know that your post is mostly a response in disdain of Raman's actions, but I want to take a defense for Ishita here.

As much as we despise it when Raman simply consigns Ishita to a glorified nanny status, the truth is that, Ishita also feels like this is her sole purpose (besides being the daughter in law to the Bhalla family). Ishita does not expect anything else from Raman. She has seen this raging, untamed version of Raman before marriage and knows very well that he isn't about to change...not on his own, and she has made peace with it, but not before presenting a final caveat to Raman. We see that when Ishita tells him today that he needs to set his priorities straight, and also implies that she will not stand to be used as a pawn in his desire to call checkmate on Shagun and Ashok.

I think that is pretty evident when Ishita tells Raman,

"Aap apne agendas clear kyun nahi kar dete life ke...aditya ko khush rakna hai...shagun ko pareshan karna hai ...actually apko apni poori life auro ki reactions pe jeeni hai."


We already know that Ishita isn't one to take Raman's badgering comments and insults lightly, and we have seen her stand up for herself plenty of times. Like I mentioned once before on this forum, some battles are just not worth fighting. I feel like Ishita is choosing the battles she wants to fight, and she has made peace with the fact that Raman can tend to be an insensitive jerk, but she will not allow it to come in the way of nurturing Ruhi and providing her a loving home to grow in. She isn't weak, or passive, she is purposefully choosing to overlook it, while still holding her own in this relationship. We have seen this side of Ishita plenty of times.

So that was my defense for Ishita. About Raman, I agree...I think your thoughts resonate well with the rest of us and completely agree. There is no glorification in the way Raman acts, and is definitely not the character trait of a hero. But I guess that is why this show is as intriguing as it is...the wait to watch and see Raman change, because there will certainly be a moment when Raman realizes he has been wrong all along to hold on to his false perspective and ideas.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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A really passionate and honest post.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: simples28

Woah😲..Great Analysis Shiva..👏👏 Lot of thoughts and frustration about Raman's behaviour flowing out in this post..Very different perspective and ya I love Ishu , so I agree with you when you say she's being treated very harshly by Raman👍🏼 [Thank you so much Aishu🤗, I've defended Raman where it's due but it is also a must to point out the flaws, & somemore Raman & Adi's convo just drove me up the wall. I totally lost it. Despite all that Ishu still went to him and asked him if he was ok, you are not required to answer her, if you don't want too. But like how he always walks away, he could have just done that instead started hurling accusations at her.]


Esp the below:

=>> Yeah Ishita should unleash her rudravataar sometimes, being too nice is not nice..[I don't care but CV's better have a episode of Ishu giving silent treatment to Raman, I want him to go mad trying to break her silence.]


If he proves something to Shagun/Ashok I dont care about that, but what is he trying to prove to Adi..still beats me😕..I am just not able to understand why is he so blinded by Adi that he overlooks his loving family..He's just going behind what he doesn't have instead of appreciating what he has.. In a way you are right, he is becomming like Shagun and Ashok

-I felt that too..I did sense she did feel like she's being used.. [& this where I really left Raman crossed all bloody 7 seas!! They are not head over heels in love yet but Ishu had a slight disappointment, at least respect her yaar. And just imagine what will happen if in the future ISHRA are just madly in love e=with each other and Adi/Shagun will defo come back, so what will Raman do than? If he does the same thing for Adi's sake, can you even imagine Ishu's plight. Oh my god, she will be crushed to a point of no return. Raman at least had the chance to heal his wounded heart but Ishu's will be beyond repair, if such a thing happens later on when they are both in love. Confirm the shameless shagun & adi will be back, O'm honestly terrified even thinking about it. *touchwood*]

Agree with this too..Ishu has also suffered so much in life..I dont understand why he cant move on and appreciate the wonderful things in life..What is he trying to gain..self pity??..😕 [Self pity, Raman please go ahead but what I found heartbreaking(especially from a woman's point of view) was throwing Ishu under the bus for him to gain self pity, that's SELFISH AT IT'S MAX.]

He better realize this before its too late and he loses Ishu and Ruhi..He is pushing his limits with Ishu..She'll definitely break one day..[BANG ON, one day even Ruhi might not be able to hold Ishu back.]

Totally agree with this one..He's just developing the same traits as the creeps..I hope he realizes it soon and recover from it.. [Before it goes beyond the point of no return.😭]



http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3964700, I had actually wrote about understanding Raman's past breaking down the points in favor to his pain actually. & I am never going back on that but it's not fair to hurt someone just because you are hurt. THAT IS NOT RIGHT, not just for Raman but for anyone else in this planet earth...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thanks dear.😊
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Originally posted by: eternalasha

You GO Girl!! I feel ya.

Specially liked the ones below...


Thank you so much dear.😊😊 I believe like how we praise their good virtues, it is equally important to point out the bad ones as well.
Edited by ForbbidenLove - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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What gets to me the most is the fact that Raman plays the victim card, like you said and fails to realize that his life is so much better than others. He told Shagun that he used to wear glasses, no Raman you are still wearing tainted glasses, you are more blind now than when you were in love.

In my opinion, Ishita's life has been much more miserable than Raman's. While Raman has brought most of his misery upon himself due to his negative thinking, Ishita's problems were due to external issues. Raman's wife cheated and left him, taking his son away but he has a large, supportive family and a loving daughter. Ishita on the other hand cannot conceive, the man she loved and was engaged to left her because of that, she was turned down by other suitors because of that same reason, then she was denied adoption, and has been constantly ridiculed by others for her inability to get married or have children, next she sacrificed herself getting married to a man who only uses her for his own gains. Ishita continues to have a positive outlook on life, finding happiness where she can. So who really is the victim here?

I can understand Raman is a broken man but at least do not attribute your mistakes to Ishita, disregard her contributions in improving your life, and manhandling her.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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As usual, great post Shiva.

I totally agree that being always nice is dangerous. It's time for Ishita to do something that would hurt that selfish Raman and break him to pieces from where he can't even get back one single part of his past.

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