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Vani Rani - Episode 351 (Saturday, 17th May, 2014)


351, what an episode! I've watched it 3 times and I still have no idea how to describe it adequately in words! 😲 So here I am, on my 4th viewing, trying my level best to do justice to the nuances and subtleties of 351, already knowing in my hearts of hearts that it just will not be possible! 😳 Take a bow Team VR, it's a standing ovation from me! 👏


Written Update


Episode continues from yesterday where the villains block Vani's Pajero with their car. They carry weapons and search the Pajero but find only the driver in it. When questioned at knife point about the whereabouts of Sara, the driver coolly tells them he has no idea and the Pajero is on its way back after being serviced in Thirunelveli. The villains look around stumped. (Even Vani's driver is so courageous when faced with a life threatening situation, so how on earth did puzhi'ke poranthathu punai ache? Yes, I am talking about our very own Sodabuddhi Surya here, my Gautham has always been the original Maaveeran of VR! )

In Vani's house, Thenu and Surya come home and are questioned by Bhoomi about their delay in returning. Thenu confesses that she had compelled Surya to accompany her to meet Swami but he has not returned to the house in 2 days. Bhoomi tries to pacify her that Swami may have just stepped out to the tea stall for a drink but Thenu remains unconvinced. Bhoomi tries to convince Thenu that Swami will not stay away from them for long and things will return to normal soon. He asks her to be brave for Rani's sake as Rani would be disturbed seeing Thenu crying. The three of them agree that it's best they conceal Swami's disappearance from Rani.

Meanwhile, Vani and Point return with Sara in a different car. The trio of Thenu, Bhoomi and Surya look stunned to see them. Thenu calls out to Rani and the trio rush out to welcome Sara. Vani, who is on the phone with someone, and Point are happy to see the reunion. Rani rushes out followed by Gautham. (I love how Rani and Gautham are always portrayed as a team, I have always felt that Gautham is the most affectionate amongst all the kids towards Rani and Swami, and I especially love how he calls her Rani Ma instead of Chitti and always seems the most concerned when she is unwell, it is usually Gautham you find waiting on Rani, be it after she fainted in the recent episodes or even during the hospital scenes, the bond he shares with her and used to share with Swami is very heartwarming and has always been, for me at least, an important USP of VR.)

Rani rushes towards Sara and examines all his injuries while questioning him on what happened before she embraces him. Mother and son cry their hearts out while the whole family looks on in tears and Vani smiles in happiness. Vani asks Rani if she is happy now that Vani has returned her son to her, Rani calls out Akka in tears and continues to hold Sara close. Sara tells Rani not to cry and promises her that now that he has returned, he will not leave her again. An angry Rani shuts him up and tells him off for being irresponsible while Vani looks on in amusement. Rani taunts Sara for going into hiding like a coward and Vani looks uneasy watching this. Rani tells Sara nothing improved by his disappearance and in fact, their problems have increased since then. Vani tries to stop Rani by saying Sara has returned after facing much hardship but Rani asks her what great hardship could he have encountered. She asks Vani how is she to depend on Sara for her livelihood when he could not even be responsible for the money that was due to his boss who had entrusted him with it. Sara tries to explain but Rani shuts him up saying they have a lot of responsibilities, especially towards Thenu, and how is she to depend on a coward like him for it anymore. Sara tries to explain that he is a victim of circumstances but Rani shuts him up and embraces him and polambufies that she was so upset and worried without him, how could he do this to her. Vani tries to pacify her that Sara is now back and all their problems will be solved soon. Rani counters that if not for Vani bringing him back, Sara would have spent his whole life as a fugitive in hiding. Rani asks Sara how could he go into hiding for losing money, money can be earned but what would she do if anything had happened to him. Sara falls at her feet to beg for forgiveness. He tells her his fear got the better of him and he could not think. Rani tells him there is nothing to fear as long as Vani is around and Vani looks touched to hear this. Rani updates Sara that Karuppu has survived and Sara is safe from being charged for murder. She tells him there is nothing to fear if he has not intentionally committed a sin. Rani finally realizes that they have all been standing outside and welcomes Sara into the house.

Rani prepares buttermilk for Sara while everyone else is seated at the dining table. (Kutty sidebar story, the other day, the significant other and yours truly were out for lunch, we ordered mooru and the waiter with a straight face told us they only have tairu, they cannot make us mooru. The significant other was dumbstruck while yours truly burst into laughter. 😛) Rani serves the buttermilk to Sara while Thenu stands beside him with her arm around his shoulder. Rani tells him to have the buttermilk then shower while she prepares lunch and a hot compress for him. Surya say that Sumuga Vinayagar saved Sara while Gautham counters that it is Vani who saved Sara. (Yenathu, dining table rombe aaduthey, athukkum VRYPMS makkal mathiri screw loose'ah? 🤣 Also, nice picture of Gautham on the wall! ❤️) Everyone tries to make Sara drink the buttermilk while Vani advises him to forget the past and come back to his normal self. Sara apologizes to all of them and especially to Bhoomi for his past bad behavior towards Vani, Bhoomi and Gautham. (Inggeyum Surya've comedy piece aakithanggala? ) Sara tells them he is ashamed of his behavior and says he wasn't himself and blames Poo for changing the path of his life. (Yenathu, puthu kathai'ah irukke, ivan buddhi kettu poi muttal mathiri kariyam senjithe, pavam Poo mela pazhiya thukki poderan? 😡 Chi, ivanlam oru ambalai'ah, sagikala! 🤢 Ivanakku namma Karthik yevvalo mel! Intha explanation'ah rebut panama ellarum kethethe irukkangale, ithuthan miga periya athisayama yenakku thonethu. At the very least, Vani who always dictates right and wrong should have pointed out what an utter arse he is being by blaming Poo for his inherent cowardliness, I'm truly very disappointed by everyone's silent acceptance here! 🤢)

Vani tells him there is a greater power above them who decides everything and they should place their faith in Him and go on. She tells him to live his life on the right path. Sara counters that he was always on the wrong path and had gone against all of them under the influence of his father. (What the hell, does this coward have no brain of his own or any sense of responsibility for his actions? 😡 He knowingly chose this path and yet now he is conveniently shoving all the blame onto Poo and Swami! 😡 Very disappointed in his characterization, Sara has to be the most selfish and manipulative protagonist of VR and I'm utterly disappointed that none of the family members have called him out on it or pointed it out to him! 🤢) Rani joins them and tells Vani that Sara has changed just like she said he would and emphasizes to Thenu that Sara was fine while he was mommy's boy and only started to go down the wrong path when he became daddy's boy and taunts Swami saying he got angry when she pointed this out to him and questions where will he put his face now after what Sara had just said. Vani tries to stop her from speaking like that but Rani adamantly continues that if only Sara had realized this earlier, she would have used him to bring Swami to heel and all these problems would have not arisen, how could she not be angry at him now. (Ok, I have never agreed with Rani's nature of putting Vani before Swami and still believe that it is this nature of hers which led to all the problems they are now facing, if Rani hadn't been selfish about wanting to remain with Vani, Swami would have broken away from Bhoomi's shadow decades ago and in all probability made something useful and worthwhile of himself, it sucks that instead of realizing this, everyone is so quick to judge Swami solely based on his recent actions born out of years of frustration. Perhaps if just once Rani had said to Swami that she has faith in him that he will come up in life without Vani's help instead of constantly rubbing it on him that they are nothing and they cannot achieve anything without Vani, Swami would not have developed such a level of low self esteem. Rani may be a mahaan sister but for me she is a failure of a wife and mother for always putting Vani before her own family. Enough said!)

Vani tells Rani to stop it as Swami's anger is justified from his point of view. (Thank you, my point exactly, his anger is justified, it is his actions that are over the top!) Vani scolds Rani for her over the top reactions that lead to the problem with Swami exploding the way it did while Rani looks unconvinced. (For the first time I am seeing arrogance in Rani and I'm not liking this change one bit!) Rani counters that although she spoke in anger, her words rang true. She points out that she is uneducated but Swami is highly educated so how could he say such things. Vani looks away in irritation. Rani emphasizes how is she to keep silent when someone insults Vani and Vani looks uncomfortable hearing this. Sara tells them he does not understand what is going on while Bhoomi asks Vani why did she not update Sara on the way back. Vani tells him the situation was not favorable and when questioned repeatedly by Rani and everyone else, reluctantly explains about the danger posed by Kathir's henchmen and how she had thwarted their efforts to ambush them and kill Sara. She warns Sara that he is to remain there safely until she gives the all clear and Sara agrees. Rani, however, tells Vani she has challenged Swami that she will bring Sara to him as soon as Vani rescues him. (Suttham!) Vani scolds her and points out that there is no guarantee for Sara's safety beyond the boundaries of the house and updates them on how the rowdies had ambushed her driver. Bhoomi panics and Vani reassures him that she has spoken to the Commissioner and arranged for protection for Sara. She emphasizes that it is their responsibility to watch over Sara until they come up with a solution to the mess he is in. Rani panics but Vani tells her that as long as Sara does not leave the house, he will be safe. Rani asks Vani how to inform Swami that Sara is back. Sara questions why they cannot return to their house and Thenu tells him they no longer live there. Upon repeated questioning, Rani reluctantly updates him about the fight between her and Swami and once again says that she would have been silent had Swami questioned the existence of God but how could he question Vani without whom they are nothing. Vani shakes her head in exasperation at this and tells Rani not to keep repeating this useless information. Sara tells Vani not to say that and that it is she who had given him confidence when he had called Swami (Definitely did not seem that way at that point.. 🤔) and Gautham who had come to his rescue, which is when he had realized their love for him. He adds that he thought he was headed for death until Gautham stood by him and made him realize there was still life ahead of him. He regrets that he had gone against them when they had only fought for what was best for him. He credits everything he is to Vani and Rani points out to him that is what she has always been saying to them. She tells him she is confident Swami will also realize this one day and repent. Sara insists Rani comes with him to meet Swami so that they can make him understand that his anger is wrong and not beneficial to anyone. Sara tells them he has learnt this lesson the hard way in recent times and tells Rani he is confident Swami will listen to him. Vani stops him and scolds him for his stupidity while Bhoomi points out the danger he is in. Sara laments how is he to be in peace while his parents are separated. Vani tells him he is to remain here, whether or not he remains in peace is a matter for another day. (Super punch dialogue!! 👍🏼 This is my second favorite punch dialogue this week after Surya's "Sura thenggai for Sumuga Vinayagar"! 😆) Vani sternly warns all of them to remain safely indoors until the danger to Sara's life is averted. Rani agrees and pacifies Sara that they will meet Swami at a later date. Bhoomi tells Rani sternly to focus on being happy rather than being right. Vani advises Rani to not judge Swami's anger and to forget the past and focus on the present. She questions if Gautham had given Rani her meds and Rani defends him saying he is very punctual with her meds. (See, another instance of the Gautham-Rani bond, he is in charge of her meds despite being injured himself. 👍🏼 Surya, appadina anga unnoda role yennapa, vetti officer mattum thana? 👎🏼) Rani chases Vani off to have a bath so they can have lunch and Vani smilingly leaves. Episode ends on Sara and Vani looking on as Vani walks away. Thodarum! (Anyone else found it amusing that Bhoomi said "Let's go" to Vani when Rani chased her off to have a bath? 😆 Ok, obviously watching RangRasiya is giving me a gutter mind, lol! 😳)

So there you have it friends, the written update of yet another dhamakedar episode of VR that no words can adequately describe or do justice to! I tried my best though, and I can only hope that it is good enough..

Please hit the "Like" button and leave your comments below, I'm expecting plenty of dissenting views in response to the controversial remarks in my fairly biased update above, so let's start the week with a friendly debate! Cheers, looking forward to another great week of VR!


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thanks for the updates Shree
Your comments were interesting but I have to beg to disagree with one point only. About Rani & Swami. To me, a man's pride is always how he presents himself and how is he in life. Swami is a nice man, and we can see how he was portrayed before. A woman always take pride in what her hubby is doing. Even if he has a stall in the streets. Swami as the 'man' of house never did that i.e. earn money and contribute to his family. He took everything for granted. In a way, I was glad Bhoomi gave him a hard time, because he was damn lazy. He was a kind person but still lazy. To any woman, married or otherwise it is not acceptable.
So do you blame Rani for worshiping Vani? All she knows from small is her Vani yeeekkka. Shouldn't Swami did something differently ? Rani is not educated and her world revolves around Vani and rest of her family. More so Vani because they are twins. So if I was in Rani shoes I would have said the same. How long this woman can put up with his shennigans. How long would he blame Vani instead taking responsiblity for himself? Swami could have done so many things as he is educated but failed to do. Even when Vani helped him, he turned out to fail deliberately. Even when Bhoomi asked him to leave the house, he could have said wait for few months, I will also contribute to this household when I am successful. But what he chose to do? And Why?
I am sure everyone in us will respect a man, who tries to do something about his life no matter how small it is. I know I do.
Edited by Caryn - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shathirlala



So good comments on Vani, Gautham and Swami (even though he's not in this episode 😆)
Negative views on Rani and Saravannan (because they're opposing Swami)

I wonder who your favourite character is 🤗😆

Shree your significant other is a very lucky one, as you'll always encourage him and talk high of him, right??? 😉😆


Didn't you notice that Vani got a bad conduct certificate as well from me in the written update? 😛 And I made no positive comments about Swami either. 😉

I don't think Rani and Sara are "opposing" Swami so that wasn't the reason for my negative comments about them. Sara just pisses me off each time he opens his stupid mouth for the reasons stated in the update. And Rani irritates me for the reasons I am about to state below.

Favorite character na Gautham than, ithulle yenna santhegam, in fact intha kelvi vanthurekkeve kudathe, you should know better Shathir Kanna . . . *Tsk Tsk, Shree shakes her head in amazement* 😆

I don't know whether the significant other can be considered lucky, yenna mathiri oru miga periya thollai'ah 7 1/2 varshama daily thanggarathukke purva jenmathule paiyan yenna pavam senjano . . . 🤣

But jokes apart,

(1) He points out my flaws to me and vice versa;

(2) This is so the other is aware of how our words or actions affect us as individuals and as a couple;

(3) The intention behind this is that we grow together into better human beings;

(4) We never discuss anything when in anger, we always let things cool down first and we always make it a point to really listen to what the other has to say;

(5) We always keep in mind that the relationship as a whole is far more important than the sum of parts of our flaws and imperfections;

(6) We may not agree with each other all the time, but as a couple, we always present a united front to everyone else;

(7) We take great pains not to whine or complain about one another to anyone else;

(8) We believe very strongly that any issues between us is internal and is not to be aired to anyone else;

(9) We believe that in matters that concern us, all others are outsiders and have no place or say in what goes on between us;

And most importantly,

(10) We take great pains to ensure that the other never loses face in front of anyone else because of our words or actions.

And that's probably the main reason that we have lasted together for 7 1/2 years without any major issues in spite of having faced so many ups and downs individually and together. In fact, coincidentally, we were just having this conversation on Friday night and concluded that what keeps us together and going strong is that we have never ever "vittu kudekeran" each other. In that sense, we are both very lucky to have found like minded individuals in spite of our completely opposite personalities.

Side note: I bet after reading my 10 point reply above, you would have definitely understood my frustration with Rani in respect to her interaction with Swami. 😉
Edited by incorrigible - 11 years ago
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Thank you Shree for the updates. I was busy quiet sometime, so was not able to interact much on Saturday's updates. I agree on your points, of Sara being coward, and the chemistry between Rani and Gautham. But on the other hand, I cannot digest on Swami's reaction and Rani's argument thereto. Actually the point here is that Rani wanted to live with Vani, but there is also a underlying fact that neither Bhoomi, nor Vani or Rani stopped Swami from going to work. If you could rewind the earlier episodes, Bhoomi has pointed out that Swami has started a couple of business in which he has failed. At the younger age, he could have very well went for a job. Instead he took the path of lying under the arms of Bhoomi and Vani, and finally it is his idiocy of higher order to blame Vani for anything and everything which happened on earth. Even in days where Bhoomi was bad, she did support for Swami, not because of the fact that he was Rani's husband, but rather he was right. But what did Swami do in return?..Is it not male egoism at its peak to make rani untie all her relations with Vani and come out. If he could behave properly with Anacondas and Bhoomi, what is his point in developing hatred towards Vani alone?..Today if he had become spineless the fault is all his and not others. Above all that, I shall assure and say that people who always tend to think of the past and cry or mourn, and blame others are the biggest losers of the world. Winners never cry out instead try to solve or take it as experience and exposure. Even after all this atleast Vani was able to spot and find Sara out, but Swami cried instead.


Secondly I felt Sara blaming Swami was absolutely right. As Rani commented, he had been a good ace, studious and respected elders when he was under the warmth of Rani, but from the moment he started thinking unlike Swami he turned upside down. There may be a question that why can't he hold his individual brain, but still at his age, the humiliation his parents underwent would change him, but it is the duty and responsibility of a father to change the path. Did Swami act that way?...When Rani slapped Sara for misbehaving with Vani and not attempting his exams, Swami put a question to Rani that whether her problem was that Sara did not attend the exam or the way he misbehaved with Vani. Who is the ultimate looser here?.Not Vani but his son..he failed to realise the fact and failed to make his son understand that..After all this, poor guy he lost his education and wanted to support his family, lost his beloved thinking of his father. But Swami's intention was more of finding fault with Vani, rather than empathising with his son or solving his problem.


Though even I disagree with Sara blaming Poo for all the evil effects, still she had also been one of the reason. There was absolutely no necessity for her to take the divorce papers and meet him. She had been portrayed as a strong, individual character, but still why did she fall into the emotional black mail of Sara?..She could have very well said that it was not required for her to prove her love towards him by marrying somebody else..She should have moved out and lived her life alone. She failed to do so?..Instead she fall into the trap, now there is no point in blaming people around her. She should have given some time for Sara to recognise her absence. Imagine the way her mother spoke with Swami, I bet any loving son towards his family will not try to marry somebody from their family even though individually the girl is good. The pressure his family was facing, the conditions and miseries which his family was undergoing, he cannot go behind a girl. At the best he could have done is asked her to wait, which the thenga madaiyan failed to do, and finally mourned and treated her like dust. Poo should not have accepted these many insuts, but should have stayed away from him and make him understand, or stay out of him. Now that she has accepted to marry karthik, she should either live with him or take a decision of her own, rather there is no point in meeting Sara, and showing the divorce certificate.


Above all this, Rathnam wanted to portray Kevalavathi as a gem, so ultimately Sara's characterisation is being lowered and digged, because still there are many in youtube and FB commenting about Poo-Sara union. There are people who even say that how much ever you spoil Sara's character or improve Kevalavathi's character, we still want Poo-Sara. I still wonder how Radhika and Rathnam is going to handle the impending attack.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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This is my response to the various issues raised by Shree in her update. Before that, couple of points need to be highlighted. Enjoyed your update Shree and your comments. There were many points there that were thought-provoking. However, may I suggest that in future, if you should feel a need to write a long update - by all means do - reserve another post for your comments? This will make our reply facility much better. Now, to address the relevant issues germane to this discussion.

Ah, this is too pompous even for me. It is good for official work but here we are all friends, so let me be myself and tackle this SGSGSGOIASOC (Swamy Gautham Swamy Gautham, Oh I Am So Confused) 😛 viseri's ramblings. 😆 (I had to print it out, can you believe it? Three pages - your update alone)

Driver- Surya-Maaveeran (sigh) - havent you come across situations when a parent is a strong indomitable personality and the whole family evolves around them? Who is the one who sets the bar that others in the family thrive to live up to? My own father is one. Someone who is so awe-inspiring that the children feel overwhelmed by them and know that they can never live up to them? There are so many real life situations where the children are meek and timid and in fact are in the shadow of their parents. Not exactly 100% on point but look at all the kids living in their shadows of their parents - Prabhu, Anant Babu, Karthik etc. No matter how hard they tried, they couldnt live up to their parents.

Surya being the eldest is the one most intimidated by his mother. Having had to grow in her shadow, under her personality that is thoroughly dominating (not domineering) he has a lot to live up to. Which is why he prefers to be in the shadow because he is worried he might fail The expectations on Gautham are not so great, and he is able to develop his personality without the constraints and expectations his brother had to face. This is the oldest child syndrome - people judge you by your parents' standards, not by your own. secondly, strong women usually end up as overpowering mothers. Also, I suspect that he never wanted to do law, never wanted to go to court but did all that because it was expected of him. Having done what was expected of him, he now wants to do nothing. And this is probably why Vani leaves him be too. I know of real incidents like this.

Besides, having a meek character and a strong one in the same family gives a good balance.

Edited by Karthikka - 11 years ago
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The bonding between Rani and Gautham - can' find fault with that one. However, I am rewatching the episodes from 001 - the boys also had strong bond with their uncle. The scene in the police station with Swamy, Surya and Gautham had me rolling about in laughter...and this point was raised over and over again when Swamy became the monster that we love to hate now.

Yes, I was pissed off with Saravanan putting the blame on Poongodi. 😡 I feel now that my dislike of him is justified. Thisai mariricha? When are you going to take responsibility for your own actions, for your own weaknesses, for your own stupidity, for your own arrogance? If you hadnt treated that girl like dirt, if you had the guts to stand up to your father and tell him that you love Poongodi, all this would not have happened. If you had focussed on your studies instead of getting involved in rowdyism, all this would not have happened. And you know why you were made to suffer? Because you made a poi sathiyam in front of God, the severest promise you could make and you lied.

And you know why your father's hotel business failed? Because it was started by a man whose hands are tainted with blood and pain and agony of innocent people. Your father and you were both arrogant and egoistic and chauvinistic and refused to the one person, who like Rani said, is the only soul in the world that thinks good things for you and your dumbass of your father.

You dont deserve Poongodi. Poongodi is an idiot for wanting to fight tooth and nail for your love. You are not worth it.

However, I understand why everyone was being silent. He is traumatised and just came back from a harrowing, life-threatening experience. So they were indulging him. This is not a time for reprimands and recriminations. He needed to let out his frustrations and emotions and you could see from Vani's indulgent smile that this is exactly what she was letting him do.
Edited by Karthikka - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Right, I have to disagree with you on your comments about Rani.

First, I have done this before and I even posted an article from an English newspaper on the close bond that is unique to twins. That article even interviewed the spouses of those twins and they said exactly what VR is portraying. One husband said that he did feel resentment at times at the closeness between his wife and her twin sister and at times he did feel like he was an intruder, but he said ultimately he accepted the situation, that the sisters have a very close bond that no one could understand. And Rani has many reasons for trusting her sister more than her husband. From young, it was just the two of them. Even when Manikam took them in, they were always the outsiders, the intruders. Remember the scene where Manikam was not happy that the bright "daughter" the teacher was Vani and not Megala and straightaway pointed out that they were not his daughters. Then the fact that Vani rescued her and they both bolted from a fate worse than death. Rani knows that no matter what, no matter who - it will be Vani for her. Swamy could dump her - and he did - and Vani will be there for her - and she is.

Second, Rani may have been selfish - but then again, you must remember that living with an extended family is still endemic to Indian culture - but Swamy was and is responsible for the state of things today. Remember I said to you that Arumugam reminds me of Swamy? That was Swamy. Wastrel, irresponsible, vetti talking (he and Genghiz Khan same rasi it seems. 😆) He was never a responsible husband and father and it was left to Vani to bring up all the kids. He was their friend but not their father. He was their confidant but never the authoritative figure. Rani being uneducated and naive, could not depend on her husband, hence her dependence on her sister became stronger. There was nothing to stop Swamy to break away except his laziness. So the judgement was made on his behaviour, not because of his recent actions.

But I fail to understand how you could say that Rani was not supportive of her husband and never said an encouraging word. Are we watching the same serial? 😆 She always was supportive of him - including attempting to walk out with him, supporting him in his water business, suku coffee business, hotel business. Remember that scene when she made him stand at the cashier's till or when she tells him that once he does very well he can buy her expensive sarees? She was right, wthout Vani they are nothing. Why did she say all that? Mount Vesuvius erupted and I clapped as mad when she asked him all the questions that I wanted to ask. All this while she was the long suffering wife and she had to listen to Swamy's diatribes of hatred against her sister - totally unfounded and some of the things he had said were totally baseless and downright cruel. He has become so twisted by his hatred of Vani that he has forgotten how to be fair. I also think that is unkind of you to say that she failed as a mother and a wife. I dont think so. I think Swamy has failed her, disappointed her, let her down, hurt her in so many ways. She was stoic but she couldnt be anymore. Bloody Swamy can be so spiteful and vicious towards her sister but when his stepmother insults her with cheap insults and degrading names and vicious language, he keeps quiet. How would she feel as a wife when her husband keeps quiet instead of defending her? Where did the kovam that was always there where Vani was concerned go? And yet when the old nayi tries the same things to Rani in the hospital, Vani stepped in and told her to shut up. If you were in Rani's shoes, who would you trust?

I disagree with you and Vani that Swamy's anger was justified. Vani was making excuses for him and this part really irritated me. If I were Swamy, I would feel guilty that my wife would churn out all these things hidden in her heart. That loanshark threatened to do nasty things to Thenu TWICE. I really shuddered at that. But Swamy was angry with Vani for giving him the money. She rescued his daughter and son-in-law from the gallows. Where was the gratitude? She rescued his son from detention without trial..and yes, like Rani said, she knew the Commissioner and was able to call him and get Saravanan off. Any normal human being would be grateful and thank God for Vani's assistance. But not this egoistical arrogant male.

Oh God, Shree, dont do this to me anymore...now I am going to be late for my meeting. 😛


Edited by Karthikka - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: incorrigible



First things first. You are educated. Rani is not. You are well-read. Rani is not. You are exposed to different cultures, different ways of thinking you are not.

(1) He points out my flaws to me and vice versa; But Rani is old school. From her point of view, it is not her place to point out her husband's faults. Her attitude is adjust,

(2) This is so the other is aware of how our words or actions affect us as individuals and as a couple; No arguments with that but seems to me it is Swamy who needs to be told this.

(3) The intention behind this is that we grow together into better human beings; No comments on this one. 😊

(4) We never discuss anything when in anger, we always let things cool down first and we always make it a point to really listen to what the other has to say; Well, again, it is Swamy who should be told this. I have never heard Rani erupt until that episode. No matter how rude Swamy was, how nasty, how selfish, how very very selfish he was - he knew his wife fell sick because of her separation from her sister, that she was mentally affected and yet he stopped her from having contact with her sister. What bloody right does he have to stop her from even talking to her own sister? He saw how his words cut to her to the quick. Did she say no? She went and sat in the backyard and cried. Only Thenu, little Thenu understood the deep sadness she was going through. Did Swamy ever take Rani's feelings into consideration?

(5) We always keep in mind that the relationship as a whole is far more important than the sum of parts of our flaws and imperfections; I wish Swamy knew that. He was more worked up that Rani said all those things to him - perfectly justified, in my opinion - rather than asking himself, maybe she has a point.

(6) We may not agree with each other all the time, but as a couple, we always present a united front to everyone else; Again, tell Swamy that. I have never seen Rani acting otherwise.

(7) We take great pains not to whine or complain about one another to anyone else; Did Rani do that? Ever? But Swamy has been complaining about her to everyone, even Mahalingam.

(8) We believe very strongly that any issues between us is internal and is not to be aired to anyone else; See my comment to (7) above.

(9) We believe that in matters that concern us, all others are outsiders and have no place or say in what goes on between us; Again, neither Vani nor Bhoomi ever interfered in Swamy-Rani's relationship.

And most importantly,

(10) We take great pains to ensure that the other never loses face in front of anyone else because of our words or actions. Neither did Rani. She always listened to Swamy. But she was like a pressure cooker. Everything was bottled inside, until it erupted...because it was unfair. Swamy was unfair.

Side note: I bet after reading my 10 point reply above, you would have definitely understood my frustration with Rani in respect to her interaction with Swami. 😉 And if you apply the same to Swamy, you will understand our frustration with Swamy. 😉 Seriously, Rani has put up with so much. Her only flaw or weakness is her sister. Swamy should have worked around it, not against it.

Edited by nithyamkv - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: kameswari


Thank you Shree for the updates. I was busy quiet sometime, so was not able to interact much on Saturday's updates. I agree on your points, of Sara being coward, and the chemistry between Rani and Gautham.

But on the other hand, I cannot digest on Swami's reaction and Rani's argument thereto. Actually the point here is that Rani wanted to live with Vani, but there is also a underlying fact that neither Bhoomi, nor Vani or Rani stopped Swami from going to work. If you could rewind the earlier episodes, Bhoomi has pointed out that Swami has started a couple of business in which he has failed. At the younger age, he could have very well went for a job. Instead he took the path of lying under the arms of Bhoomi and Vani, and finally it is his idiocy of higher order to blame Vani for anything and everything which happened on earth. Even in days where Bhoomi was bad, she did support for Swami, not because of the fact that he was Rani's husband, but rather he was right. But what did Swami do in return?..Is it not male egoism at its peak to make rani untie all her relations with Vani and come out. If he could behave properly with Anacondas and Bhoomi, what is his point in developing hatred towards Vani alone?..Today if he had become spineless the fault is all his and not others. Above all that, I shall assure and say that people who always tend to think of the past and cry or mourn, and blame others are the biggest losers of the world. Winners never cry out instead try to solve or take it as experience and exposure. Even after all this atleast Vani was able to spot and find Sara out, but Swami cried instead.


👏 👏 👏 Precisely my point.


Secondly I felt Sara blaming Swami was absolutely right. As Rani commented, he had been a good ace, studious and respected elders when he was under the warmth of Rani, but from the moment he started thinking unlike Swami he turned upside down. There may be a question that why can't he hold his individual brain, but still at his age, the humiliation his parents underwent would change him, but it is the duty and responsibility of a father to change the path. Did Swami act that way?...When Rani slapped Sara for misbehaving with Vani and not attempting his exams, Swami put a question to Rani that whether her problem was that Sara did not attend the exam or the way he misbehaved with Vani. Who is the ultimate loser here?.Not Vani but his son..he failed to realise the fact and failed to make his son understand that..After all this, poor guy he lost his education and wanted to support his family, lost his beloved thinking of his father. But Swami's intention was more of finding fault with Vani, rather than empathising with his son or solving his problem.

Yes, yes and yes. Couldn't put it better myself. Not only that, grovelling to the loanshark just because he was Sara's "boss". Would any decent bloke do that? Who would you like opening your hotel? A well wisher who always had your happiness at heart, or someone who is so money minded that he thrives on people's pain and agony?

Though even I disagree with Sara blaming Poo for all the evil effects, still she had also been one of the reason. There was absolutely no necessity for her to take the divorce papers and meet him. She had been portrayed as a strong, individual character, but still why did she fall into the emotional black mail of Sara?..She could have very well said that it was not required for her to prove her love towards him by marrying somebody else..She should have moved out and lived her life alone. She failed to do so?..Instead she fall into the trap, now there is no point in blaming people around her. She should have given some time for Sara to recognise her absence. Imagine the way her mother spoke with Swami, I bet any loving son towards his family will not try to marry somebody from their family even though individually the girl is good. The pressure his family was facing, the conditions and miseries which his family was undergoing, he cannot go behind a girl. At the best he could have done is asked her to wait, which the thenga madaiyan failed to do, and finally mourned and treated her like dust. Poo should not have accepted these many insuts, but should have stayed away from him and make him understand, or stay out of him. Now that she has accepted to marry karthik, she should either live with him or take a decision of her own, rather there is no point in meeting Sara, and showing the divorce certificate.

Again, agree completely. Seriously, if any man treated me this way, I would have told him "Poya" and walked off. Enna periya deiviga kathal oh? And like I said, he is pathetic. He was afraid to admit his love because he was scared of his father. Which woman wants a man like that? Tomorrow if her father says I dont like her , send her back, would Poo be confident that he will send her back?

Above all this, Rathnam wanted to portray Kevalavathi as a gem, so ultimately Sara's characterisation is being lowered and digged, because still there are many in youtube and FB commenting about Poo-Sara union. There are people who even say that how much ever you spoil Sara's character or improve Kevalavathi's character, we still want Poo-Sara. I still wonder how Radhika and Rathnam is going to handle the impending attack.


I like Karthik now. 😳 Ever since he admitted to Poongodi that he lost and he realises he was wrong, I started warming up to him. But I dont think Rathnam's idea was to paint him as a gem - his motive is to make Karthik such a character that viewers would go ayo pavam. actually Rathnam's idea was to get Poo married to Sara, and Karthik will disappear and Vani will get blamed by everyone, including Rani, that she was behind the disappearance. But Radhika vetoed that idea and she was so overwhelmed by the backlass...and now she ordered Rathnam to salvage the situation.


Can I say that Rajkumar (Karthik) is such a sweetie in real life? Whereas Manaas (Sara) is not that friendly. He is not rude, just aloof.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I read it just now..Agreed on all your points about Swami,Rani and Vani. This Swami needs to learn a lesson in much harder way. He deserves something very bad for his rude behaviour. It is ultimately his rudeness that he was not bothered about his son returning safe and sound instead he was worried about who brought him back

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