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Posted: 14 years ago
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There is really no right or wrong in the above arguments ...it is all about personal choices...and whoever makes a choice needs to take full responsibility for that choice.

This is such a subjective matter that we could go on and on...but at the end it all boils down to the individual.😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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As Aditi put it correctly, its a matter of individual choices and what stays a priority in one's perspective differs person to person.. Call me old-schooled, but I really find it disgusting and unethical to dump kids in day care's when they are still months old. You can go on and on endlessly about who wears the pants in the house or you can just learn to compromise and adapt. Its an individual choice again. Elephant size female ego is one reason of rapid increase of Divorce rate in today's world. Why were marriage's in the past so successful? Divorce was a big taboo. Not that women never got educated. They did, but most importantly, they were willing to adapt and compromise. Being compromising & understanding in a situation doesn't mean that you are losing a battle or something.😆

What I stated above remains my perspective on Motherhood- which I haven't experienced yet but I'd value spending atleast a couple of years of my life to being a mother. Its just as any other "career" choice, like any other ''course & curriculum'' which come with tests, schedules and semesters 😊--- Again, For me!😊


Oh and I may sound that I am propagandizing the Stay at home mom/wife concept, absolutely No.😆 A woman needs to make a career of her own. 😊 And that, is not a choice!

Edited by sonali_dg - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: sonali_dg



As Aditi put it correctly, its a matter of individual choices and what stays a priority in one's perspective differs person to person.. Call me old-schooled, but I really find it disgusting and unethical to dump kids in day care's when they are still months old. You can go on and on endlessly about who wears the pants in the house or you can just learn to compromise and adapt. Its an individual choice again. Elephant size female ego is one reason of rapid increase of Divorce rate in today's world. Why were marriage's in the past so successful? Divorce was a big taboo. Not that women never got educated. They did, but most importantly, they were willing to adapt and compromise. Being compromising & understanding in a situation doesn't mean that you are losing a battle or something.😆

What I stated above remains my perspective on Motherhood- which I haven't experienced yet but I'd value spending atleast a couple of years of my life to being a mother. Its just as any other "career" choice, like any other ''course & curriculum'' which come with tests, schedules and semesters 😊--- Again, For me!😊


Oh and I may sound that I am propagandizing the Stay at home mom/wife concept, absolutely No.😆 A woman needs to make a career of her own. 😊 And that, is not a choice!



I am of a different generation so my thoughts on this would probably be considered outdated. I chose motherhood over a career till quite late. Maybe things were easier in my day because the choice was very simple. Today things are different and I accept that as long as those who are making the choices also accept it.

I also agree with DMGFan-2b-not2b - Being a home-maker is tougher than a career...no days off, no pay but immense satisfaction...whereas my career today gives me time off, a good pay but not the same satisfaction...both have their pros and cons...but that is me and my choice.😉

But I do agree about compromise...no relationship works without a compromise from both parties...meet each other halfway and you will more often than not come out a winner..

Sonali...whether you and I like it or not the reality is that most are making it simpler for working mothers...providing day care, creches, etc etc...and with such incentives, it is but natural that women will take advantage of that. Some do it out of need, some because of their careers and few because others are doing it...whatever their reasons...as long as they can live with it happily...it is fine but when things go wrong...that is where one starts questioning the whole concept.

Again the trick is all about balance as DMG mentions and I agree with that wholeheartedly.

Hope there is soon to be pitter patter of little feet in your life...😊


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonali_dg


As Aditi put it correctly, its a matter of individual choices and what stays a priority in one's perspective differs person to person.. Call me old-schooled, but I really find it disgusting and unethical to dump kids in day care's when they are still months old. You can go on and on endlessly about who wears the pants in the house or you can just learn to compromise and adapt. Its an individual choice again. Elephant size female ego is one reason of rapid increase of Divorce rate in today's world. Why were marriage's in the past so successful? Divorce was a big taboo. Not that women never got educated. They did, but most importantly, they were willing to adapt and compromise. Being compromising & understanding in a situation doesn't mean that you are losing a battle or something.😆

What I stated above remains my perspective on Motherhood- which I haven't experienced yet but I'd value spending atleast a couple of years of my life to being a mother. Its just as any other "career" choice, like any other ''course & curriculum'' which come with tests, schedules and semesters 😊--- Again, For me!😊


Oh and I may sound that I am propagandizing the Stay at home mom/wife concept, absolutely No.😆 A woman needs to make a career of her own. 😊 And that, is not a choice!

Clearly the male in the relationship is an innocent bystander 😛, its the desire of a woman to change her lot in life (aka elephantine ego) thats ultimately responsible for the ills of modern society 😆 I am a lil lost so as to why the compromise and sacrifice has to be the woman's? Thank God I have a husband who is quite willing to take a sabattical and stay at home and look after the baby for a year or two while I work - the decision is not based on man or woman considerations but on simple facts like who is doing well/better, and for whom its easier to take that sabattical. Inshallah, thats also a stronger bond cos one does not judge the other by accepted norms but tackle situations depending on the call of the day :-)
I for one, would like to believe (and hope) that in this day and age, we are emancipated enough to realise that its not about who wears the pants (its this attitude in both men and women that wreaks a marriage) but about the ability of each partner to have his /her own aspirations fulfilled while maintaining the fabric of marriage cos thats the only way the marriage can be a two way fulfilling experience. 😊
Everything is not a battle, its simply as someone very sensibly said about personal choices and not about who's right or wrong!
But I guess each to his his own viewpoint!
P.S. and thank you Groucho, yes, maternity leave is indeed 6 months :-)
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: DMGFan-2b-not2b

Clearly the male in the relationship is an innocent bystander 😛, its the desire of a woman to change her lot in life (aka elephantine ego) thats ultimately responsible for the ills of modern society 😆 I am a lil lost so as to why the compromise and sacrifice has to be the woman's? Thank God I have a husband who is quite willing to take a sabattical and stay at home and look after the baby for a year or two while I work - the decision is not based on man or woman considerations but on simple facts like who is doing well/better, and for whom its easier to take that sabattical. Inshallah, thats also a stronger bond cos one does not judge the other by accepted norms but tackle situations depending on the call of the day :-)
I for one, would like to believe (and hope) that in this day and age, we are emancipated enough to realise that its not about who wears the pants (its this attitude in both men and women that wreaks a marriage) but about the ability of each partner to have his /her own aspirations fulfilled while maintaining the fabric of marriage cos thats the only way the marriage can be a two way fulfilling experience. 😊
Everything is not a battle, its simply as someone very sensibly said about personal choices and not about who's right or wrong!
But I guess each to his his own viewpoint!
P.S. and thank you Groucho, yes, maternity leave is indeed 6 months :-)



Cannot take credit for the 6 months comment ...that was Vijayam...😔 We had no maternity time off in our time and personally I was on an indefinite time off😉

Compromises have to be a 2 way street always...as I have mentioned...and I too, have been very lucky with a husband who has helped me out despite the fact that I was not ,then ,a career woman.😊

Good post.👍🏼
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: DMGFan-2b-not2b

Clearly the male in the relationship is an innocent bystander 😛, its the desire of a woman to change her lot in life (aka elephantine ego) thats ultimately responsible for the ills of modern society 😆 I am a lil lost so as to why the compromise and sacrifice has to be the woman's? Thank God I have a husband who is quite willing to take a sabattical and stay at home and look after the baby for a year or two while I work - the decision is not based on man or woman considerations but on simple facts like who is doing well/better, and for whom its easier to take that sabattical. Inshallah, thats also a stronger bond cos one does not judge the other by accepted norms but tackle situations depending on the call of the day :-)
I for one, would like to believe (and hope) that in this day and age, we are emancipated enough to realise that its not about who wears the pants (its this attitude in both men and women that wreaks a marriage) but about the ability of each partner to have his /her own aspirations fulfilled while maintaining the fabric of marriage cos thats the only way the marriage can be a two way fulfilling experience. 😊
Everything is not a battle, its simply as someone very sensibly said about personal choices and not about who's right or wrong!
But I guess each to his his own viewpoint!
P.S. and thank you Groucho, yes, maternity leave is indeed 6 months :-)



@DMG :

Thankfully u r lucky u hav such a husband ...😊...but for most Indian middle class women its a nightmare as they r pained between 2 choices ...a career that gives them a income ..& a kid that needs lot of care

@all
Firstly most Indian husbands cant even cook a simple meal without damaging the kitchen or wash their own shirt or vest 😆😉😉😉😉..so I find it risky to rely on them to care for a baby😕


Babies r safer in day care 😆

...In a country that has high unemployment rate ..it is risky to think u would get a job again after 2-3 yrs leaving it to care for yr baby n then most hubbies want this extra income to be contributed always

Jokes apart I think most indian cities do not hav proper staff in day care centres ..how can one be assured yr baby is cleaned & fed properly ...an infant needs a mother most at least till 18 months

So for an Indian women its a tough decision ..she has the responsibility of a mother tottally on her shoulders , at ths same time she does not want to give up an income source for the household in times of inflation
There r companies which give without pay leave to higher ranked employees for 1 year ..one of my friend's sis has used it n got back to her job at TCS

My cousin is a doctor ..she has conveniently returned to her practice after 2 yrs of childbirth..hospitals offering her nice paypackets ...

But in my profession ..IT field ...its so hectic n overstressed (12-14 hrs sometimes )...I dont think most gals would b able to do justice to either their Job or their baby ..its either U quit the job forever or put the baby in a daycare...unlike Doctors or teachers who hav the middle path

It depends mostly on personal situations, circumstances ...yr personality & mental make up

western countries r better as there r jobs waiting for you even if u r a mom of 3 ..over 40 ..trying to make a fresh new start

anyways A mother is best caregiver to an infant ..& no one can change that fact




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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonali_dg



As Aditi put it correctly, its a matter of individual choices and what stays a priority in one's perspective differs person to person.. Call me old-schooled, but I really find it disgusting and unethical to dump kids in day care's when they are still months old. You can go on and on endlessly about who wears the pants in the house or you can just learn to compromise and adapt. Its an individual choice again. Elephant size female ego is one reason of rapid increase of Divorce rate in today's world. Why were marriage's in the past so successful? Divorce was a big taboo. Not that women never got educated. They did, but most importantly, they were willing to adapt and compromise. Being compromising & understanding in a situation doesn't mean that you are losing a battle or something.😆

What I stated above remains my perspective on Motherhood- which I haven't experienced yet but I'd value spending atleast a couple of years of my life to being a mother. Its just as any other "career" choice, like any other ''course & curriculum'' which come with tests, schedules and semesters 😊--- Again, For me!😊


Oh and I may sound that I am propagandizing the Stay at home mom/wife concept, absolutely No.😆 A woman needs to make a career of her own. 😊 And that, is not a choice!

I see the point you're trying to make in your post, but the Reddened portion, I think, took away from whatever intelligence your previous posts here had displayed. No offense and nothing personal, but the highlighted bit was utterly "unethical" and "disgusting" to say on your part, if you will. Not only is it outraegously and outrightly politically incorrect to state what you did, but its no less than plain IMMORAL in my eyes (and hopefully to all sane eyes) to so bluntly put the responsibility for something like Divorce solely on the female. Especially when ,even today, divorce is opted for after a lot of strained mulling on both sides. Also the conditions preceding each Divorce case is unique, so I don't know what prompted this utterly, how-to-say-it, RIDICULOUS and frivolous (to say the least) statement. That was most uncalled for, really. 😲😲
PS: I've no opinion on the main topic at hand, was just passing by and couldn't hold back replying to this particular comment. Smile
Edited by krystal_watz - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

I see the point you're trying to make in your post, but the Reddened portion, I think, took away from whatever intelligence your previous posts here had displayed. No offense and nothing personal, but the highlighted bit was utterly "unethical" and "disgusting" to say on your part, if you will. Not only is it outraegously and outrightly politically incorrect to state what you did, but its no less than plain IMMORAL in my eyes (and hopefully to all sane eyes) to so bluntly put the responsibility for something like Divorce solely on the female. Especially when ,even today, divorce is opted for after a lot of strained mulling on both sides. Also the conditions preceding each Divorce case is unique, so I don't know what prompted this utterly, how-to-say-it, RIDICULOUS and frivolous (to say the least) statement. That was most uncalled for, really. 😲😲
PS: I've no opinion on the main topic at hand, was just passing by and couldn't hold back replying to this particular comment. 😊



Honestly Krystal, I ain't here to prove my intelligence. The way you've judged me, I can do the same to you. You have used choicest of words to disrespect me and insult me. I am not going to take that.

AS YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION SO AM I. YOU ARE NONE TO PASS RANDOM JUDGMENTS ABOUT ME.

The other day you did the same with Anmol didn't you?

P.S. If you have no opinion on the main topic, then get an opinion and talk about it, maintaining limits of decency. Education and culture are not just about typing in English and operating a Computer!

Edited by sonali_dg - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: arunima_luvdsky



Aru...I completely agree with you on IT field...have gone through it & still at at...tough to sustain for female employees with young kids (I'm talking ofcourse about specific domains) unless they have a very strong support system at home...

Edited by vijayam - 14 years ago

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: groucho



I am of a different generation so my thoughts on this would probably be considered outdated. I chose motherhood over a career till quite late. Maybe things were easier in my day because the choice was very simple. Today things are different and I accept that as long as those who are making the choices also accept it.

I also agree with DMGFan-2b-not2b - Being a home-maker is tougher than a career...no days off, no pay but immense satisfaction...whereas my career today gives me time off, a good pay but not the same satisfaction...both have their pros and cons...but that is me and my choice.😉

But I do agree about compromise...no relationship works without a compromise from both parties...meet each other halfway and you will more often than not come out a winner..

Sonali...whether you and I like it or not the reality is that most are making it simpler for working mothers...providing day care, creches, etc etc...and with such incentives, it is but natural that women will take advantage of that. Some do it out of need, some because of their careers and few because others are doing it...whatever their reasons...as long as they can live with it happily...it is fine but when things go wrong...that is where one starts questioning the whole concept.

Again the trick is all about balance as DMG mentions and I agree with that wholeheartedly.

Hope there is soon to be pitter patter of little feet in your life...😊




Oh no Aditi, why would you call yourself 'Outdated'? I thoroughly appreciate the fact that you had the heart to do so.

I dont want to talk on other's behalf, I never did. But for me motherhood is going to be an experience I would want to treasure all my life. I want to watch my kid crawl for the 1st time, walk , listen its 1st words all myself. I don't want to compromise on those memoirs.😊 I could get back on a job whenever I want to, but would I get back these moments even if I wanted to? I dont want the day care incharge to tell me what my child likes or what it doesn't!

Thankfully with God's grace I have made enough and I have the confidence in me to make the same and more at any point in my life! And coming to my husband, we keep kidding on who will stay at home and take care of the kids. Thankfully, we share the same ideals on this note. Its more like "I have been working for this long so I deserve a break!" 😊


Aditi, I need you to know that I garner a lot of respect for you 😊 Truly, woman like you inspire me 😊 The way you said you balanced your life is very inspiring and genuinely appreciated!

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