Suraj's Love Vs Suraj's Guilty... - Page 2

Originally posted by: meshmesh

Only the truth of Vivaan's reports can clear the situation. Chakor won't believe Suraj if he tells her truth now. Leaving Imli now will make Suraj fall even lower in Chakor's eyes. So Suraj will not leave Imli until the truth comes out.

Chakor already thinks so low of Suraj, she believes he's the same goon she first met when she came back. She believed Vivaan and Ragini when they said that Suraj knew of the trap they set for the villagers. She won't believe him if he said he isn't the father. She'll think he's doing exactly what he did with the first baby or that he's lying to get her back. She'll despise him more.

If Suraj just abandons Imli, Chakor will hate him even more. She'll think he is a man who can neither take responsibility for his actions nor stand by his words. It will leave Imli helpless while and increase the gap between him and Chakor. He shouldn't leave Imli, he made that decision voluntarily and her fate shouldn't depend on his whims especially if it will only worsen his problems with Chakor

Even if Suraj told her the truth while drunk and she believed him, she may stop hating but they won't be back together until the baby matter is cleared because in front of the world she'll be the woman who stayed with a man who betrayed her with her sister and because nobody will believe them when he goes back on his words.

Suraj is stuck, all his efforts are useless, so why do they choose to show him trying to win her back using the same broken record. My guess is they need sukor scenes to calm the fans down (remember when there was a rumor VJ will quit), it's also what the trp aunties would want to see the male lead grovelling. Another reason is if he doesn't do that then we'll say he did try to win her back and that he's secretly glad she left.

A better way is for him to find the truth behind the fake truth but in t.v land only the female lead has the right to solve all the problems. An example is KN madness, Imli and Suraj are staying in haveli, one of them could've found out but no it has to be Chakor.

Originally posted by: meshmesh

Only the truth of Vivaan's reports can clear the situation. Chakor won't believe Suraj if he tells her the truth now. Leaving Imli now will make Suraj fall even lower in Chakor's eyes. So Suraj will not leave Imli until the truth comes out.

Chakor already thinks so low of Suraj, she believes he's the same goon she first met when she came back. She believed Vivaan and Ragini when they said that Suraj knew of the trap they set for the villagers. She won't believe him if he said he isn't the father. She'll think he's doing exactly what he did with the first baby or that he's lying to get her back. She'll despise him more.

If Suraj just abandons Imli, Chakor will hate him even more. She'll think he is a man who can neither take responsibility for his actions nor stand by his words. It will leave Imli helpless and increase the gap between him and Chakor. He shouldn't leave Imli, he made that decision voluntarily and her fate shouldn't depend on his whims especially if it will only worsen his problems with Chakor

Even if Suraj told her the truth while drunk and she believed him, she may stop hating him but they won't be back together until the baby matter is cleared because in front of the world she'll be the woman who stayed with a man who betrayed her with her sister and because nobody will believe them when he goes back on his words.

Suraj is stuck, all his efforts are useless, so why do they choose to show him trying to win her back using the same broken record. My guess is they need sukor scenes to calm the fans down (remember when there was a rumor VJ will quit), it's also what the trp aunties would want to see, the male lead grovelling. Another reason is if he doesn't do that then we'll say he didn't try to win her back and that he's secretly glad she left.

A better way is for him to find the truth behind the fake reports but in t.v land only the female lead has the right to solve all problems. An example is KN madness, Imli and Suraj are staying in haveli, one of them could've found out but no it has to be Chakor.

Originally posted by: binivenugopal

@meshmesh

I agree with u completely.

But the problem is that cvs like to use Sooraj for creating problems only and they can at least show some scenes that he is trying to find out the truth, but they can't.

It will be Chakor find out the truth,but I guess again there will be dirty plans of Ragini to complicate the problem and everyone will again doubt Sooraj for that.

My only hope is TRPs now, tomorrow's and next week trps will decide the future I guess.

If it falls again,then there will be no option left to cvs other than close this track and starts new one.

I want KN to come back and I think KN and Sukor trio always gave them best TRPS.

I feel the cat- mouse play between KN and Sukor are much more entertaining than current track.

Originally posted by: meshmesh

Only the truth of Vivaan's reports can clear the situation. Chakor won't believe Suraj if he tells her the truth now. Leaving Imli now will make Suraj fall even lower in Chakor's eyes. So Suraj will not leave Imli until the truth comes out.

Chakor already thinks so low of Suraj, she believes he's the same goon she first met when she came back. She believed Vivaan and Ragini when they said that Suraj knew of the trap they set for the villagers. She won't believe him if he said he isn't the father. She'll think he's doing exactly what he did with the first baby or that he's lying to get her back. She'll despise him more.

If Suraj just abandons Imli, Chakor will hate him even more. She'll think he is a man who can neither take responsibility for his actions nor stand by his words. It will leave Imli helpless and increase the gap between him and Chakor. He shouldn't leave Imli, he made that decision voluntarily and her fate shouldn't depend on his whims especially if it will only worsen his problems with Chakor

Even if Suraj told her the truth while drunk and she believed him, she may stop hating him but they won't be back together until the baby matter is cleared because in front of the world she'll be the woman who stayed with a man who betrayed her with her sister and because nobody will believe them when he goes back on his words.

Suraj is stuck, all his efforts are useless, so why do they choose to show him trying to win her back using the same broken record. My guess is they need sukor scenes to calm the fans down (remember when there was a rumor VJ will quit), it's also what the trp aunties would want to see, the male lead grovelling. Another reason is if he doesn't do that then we'll say he didn't try to win her back and that he's secretly glad she left.

A better way is for him to find the truth behind the fake reports but in t.v land only the female lead has the right to solve all problems. An example is KN madness, Imli and Suraj are staying in haveli, one of them could've found out but no it has to be Chakor.

Originally posted by: meshmesh

Only the truth of Vivaan's reports can clear the situation. Chakor won't believe Suraj if he tells her the truth now. Leaving Imli now will make Suraj fall even lower in Chakor's eyes. So Suraj will not leave Imli until the truth comes out.

Chakor already thinks so low of Suraj, she believes he's the same goon she first met when she came back. She believed Vivaan and Ragini when they said that Suraj knew of the trap they set for the villagers. She won't believe him if he said he isn't the father. She'll think he's doing exactly what he did with the first baby or that he's lying to get her back. She'll despise him more.

If Suraj just abandons Imli, Chakor will hate him even more. She'll think he is a man who can neither take responsibility for his actions nor stand by his words. It will leave Imli helpless and increase the gap between him and Chakor. He shouldn't leave Imli, he made that decision voluntarily and her fate shouldn't depend on his whims especially if it will only worsen his problems with Chakor

Even if Suraj told her the truth while drunk and she believed him, she may stop hating him but they won't be back together until the baby matter is cleared because in front of the world she'll be the woman who stayed with a man who betrayed her with her sister and because nobody will believe them when he goes back on his words.

Suraj is stuck, all his efforts are useless, so why do they choose to show him trying to win her back using the same broken record. My guess is they need sukor scenes to calm the fans down (remember when there was a rumor VJ will quit), it's also what the trp aunties would want to see, the male lead grovelling. Another reason is if he doesn't do that then we'll say he didn't try to win her back and that he's secretly glad she left.

A better way is for him to find the truth behind the fake reports but in t.v land only the female lead has the right to solve all problems. An example is KN madness, Imli and Suraj are staying in haveli, one of them could've found out but no it has to be Chakor.

Originally posted by: Banjaaran.

wonderful counter point Meshmesh. always a pleasure to read your thoughts and debate with you.

Agreed Chakor won't believe him.
Agreed he shouldn't leave Imli.

His grovelling in front of Chakor scenes or those pull-push intense scenes may sooth the fandom... but immediately next scene will be Suraj's overt concern and touching sessions with Imli. it negates Sukor moments euphoria. completely.

TRP audience love to see the one who is guilty .. grovelling (not male or female.. simply the one who is wrong. It usually happens that mostly male leads are wrong.). Suraj DID make a wrong decision. Intentions.. debate for another topic.
So him grovelling is understandable. but him getting all righteous or outraged at Chakor and macho at her for looking at other man while he shares a room with her sister makes him look like a hypocrite and chauvinist. i doubt trp audience will be impressed.

he should try to win her over. not by claiming his rights over her but trying to find the truth and doing something productive.

here we have... a guy who is an inspector, a prestigious job, strong, daring, winning against bad guys and is a looker too.

and then we have Suraj...living in Vivaan's haveli, with Imli, no ambitions, no killer instincts, does nothing productive. Other than looks and his 'sacrifice' he has anything more to offer?

who will trp audience pick after a while? They aren't emotionally invested in a show are we are.

i caught up with my back log of Rishtey episodes that i kept for recording. The difference is STARK.
it feels as we have TWO Surajs.Before and After.
Before Bandua track.
After Bandua track.

he has been systematically destroyed.

i hate to sound like chicken little screaming sky is falling... but when we first complained that Suraj's character is being messed with .. we were labelled bashers and haters.
when we convince ourselves that everything is peaches when nothing is... nothing will be.

i LOVE Suraj. and that's why i could write SO many stories and moments from his perspective. And that's why i refuse to recognize the current one. he makes NO sense. he is NOT my guy.

Tomorrow or day after Chakor will come to the rescue; will find out the truth about the reports and will forgive and ask forgiveness from Suraj.
everything will be alright!

or will it be? because Suraj would have nothing other than being reduced to be ping ponging between two women and again needing Chakor to be the hero of the day.

I don't think it is fair to the Suraj who was promised to us long time back. Or Vj who lived that Suraj.
but then again.. i am just a basher.😊

Originally posted by: Banjaaran.

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2">Random note: CVs and makers usually check out the reactions and feedback from SNS portals. we have seen our pointers from IF being worked on in the show once upon a time.
but usually it is twitter and instagram which is more interactive with the people in power. i am sure they must be taking feedback from those platforms.

and that's why both positive and negative feedback is important.

but if they get feedback which justifies EVERYTHING that the character does... CVs will think let's continue with the great job.
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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2"><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2">if the
makers are convinced that Suraj is right, whatever he is doing is
wonderful, show is awesome.. great job... why will they change their writing?

only trps can come to rescue here.
but then again.. trp audience is loyal to none. because they aren't emotionally invested.</font>
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Originally posted by: meshmesh

Thank you for your kind words, same here.

They must show Suraj doing something positive to get out of this mess. For example, it seems that the test are correct and only the doctor reports is fake, so he could take them to another doctor and get a second opinion. he should find a way to help the kids trapped in making guns.

Even some Suraj defenders aren't happy with his approach with Chakor. He should have realized by now that it's an issue of broken trust and not love and taken a different approach, focus on convincing her in joining in helping to save the villagers and gradually gain her trust and explain the truth. Or backing off until he can clear the whole matter.

I know he has no right to feel jealous, but he can't help it. The lack of self awareness is the bigger issue. Imli staying in the same room was a crass and unnecessary move, I don't know what were they thinking? Chakor should've left haveli even without this step.

I feel sorry for Suraj, he caused the whole mess but he has no power to clear it. I don't think it's fair that he has no chance to correct his mistake and I want CVs to make him work on that, all fans want Suraj to do something productive. Suraj needs to stop being idle and work on his own or with Chakor and Ajay, it's unfair to his character if they don't allow him that. About Chakor and Ajay's partnership, he'll be dashing and brave but I expect Chakor to still be the brains and will be the one who comes up with the plans and we know that they'll probably get Ragini and Vivaan and temporarily free the villagers but then KN will be back and we'll be back to square one (unless the serial ends), their success will be partial and short termed.

About your second post, fans should give a clear message of what they want. Unfortunately, IF is the only platform I'm on, I'm not on twitter, instagram or even facebook, so hopefully those who are would do that.