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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hey there all the lovely people!!
Me is back again. Direct to discussion.


It was an episode with, right amount of anger, emotion, reluctance, hesitation, aggression and discipline.
Massi is having a meltdown, as she tells everyone what Kanak has been upto all these days, she has been a cheat and fraud and is too egotistic.. Massi slams the modern education, education which makes the girl forget everything about relationships, family and sanskar... she accuses educated girls to bring ruin to the house -- Massi being old school can only see the disadvantages, because she believes in submission, holding the head down and listening but never speaking, she has no concept of a girl having a choice, just tie her to a post and she should be grateful, Massi doesn't believe in equality. But the way Massi was cursing education, made me remember all my coursework from school to university, never read anything like that, all I can remember is scientific experiments which were never conducted but was taught nonetheless, the algebra which was the ultimate villain in my life, but never used it in practical life -- or maybe my school was weird.
Vedansh takes Kanak to police station, Arpita meets them and she assures them that she would personally look over this case. Kanak is asked to give her statement.. Vansh and saras are shown in contrast to each other. Saras sides with her family and Vansh sides with sanity. I-- it's also a contrast between thought process or two girls, how they perceive life and how things happen. Vansh says that she was kept as a prisoner, she wasn't allowed to meet her family or come to Pushkar -- didn't Kanak herself refuse to acknowledge her family when they were right in front of her. She was asked time and again about her family but she never gave any information.
Arpita tell them about the equal chance they give both parties. She asks Kanak if this is how everything happened, Kanak nods in a yes. Did she ever cheat Uma and his family, had she ever hurt them, betrayed them, Kanak just moves her head in a negative response. -- Kanak today was just paralyzed, frozen she didn't want to lodge a complaint, she wanted to alter Vansh's perception of things. She wanted to say so much, she knows Uma is better than what they are assuming him to be, she is unable to explain anything, yet she sat there frozen on the turn of events. She knows Uma did a mistake, she calls it a mistake. Vedansh forced her to sign the statement, to teach Uma a lesson, they charge Uma of IPC 498a, 355 and 366. -- Kanak was a normal girl in dilemma, unsure of her actions and thought process. Lodging a complaint is a big step, Kanak didn't want to hurt Uma and his family... yes an action was required to make Uma realize the gravity of his mistake, but Kanak is frozen and unable to understand anything. The way Vedansh forced her, ain't that imposing themselves of their sister, they are looking for her better interest, but aren't they being all decisive by themselves. -- we can pick and critique as much as we can, but maybe situations like this do come up sometimes, maybe the whole idea of Vedansh forcing Kanak to sign and speak up and Kanak sitting paralyzed is what actually happens. The family takes charge and no time is taken to consult or counsel.


Let's break down the allegations as per the IPC against Uma.
Section 355 : Assault or criminal force with intent to dishonour person, otherwise than on grave provocation. - punishment 2 years with fine.
Section 366 : Kidnapping, abducting or inducing woman to compel her marriage, etc.Whoever kidnaps or abducts any woman with intent that she may be compelled, or knowing it to be likely that she will be compelled, to marry any person against her will - punishment a maximum 10 years prison .
Section 498A : Husband or relative of husband of a woman subjecting her to cruelty.Whoever, being the husband or the relative of the husband of a woman, subjects such woman to cruelty - maximum 3 years of prison.
As per these IPC Uma looks forward to maximum of 15 years in prison.


Apologies for a super long post. Hope it's making sense.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks for the post and explaining the ipc charges

We already know what uma and family thinks about modern and educated girls...
His convo with kanak in Kerala was enough to tell us what they all think so what masisa or saras said was nothing new
Masisa felt insulted and so was taking out her anger and saras maybe what they practice at home is what she also look forward to im her life partner
She had been taught this way of life
They all have grown up with this practices
It will take time and examples to make them understand and bring them out from their age old practices
So nothing really disappointed me in them nor shocked me

But yes kanak disappointed me
Yes u are right she was confused and all
But i still don't understand why she nodded yes when they asked her if she was caged their
From what I remember despite being "caged" she was kind of free and allow3d to do whatever she wants yes she was asked to follow rules but she did said no to many of their practices too...
So this point didn't go well with me

They should have shown fbs when vansh was saying all that and kanak having fbs that this was really not the case

Yes everyone wanted uma to go in jail even those who like or support uma
U can look up to old posts when everyone agreed uma to be in jail
But with time thing changed
U feel more disappointed in kanak coz she is hailed ad suraj sandhya daughter even today that was irritating
If this was another show kanaks character was understood she spent most of her life in hostel
She didn't had parental guidance os so
And if now when feels attached to umas family is also coz the love she carved al these years she is got if from masisa even if they were strict they loved her

M looking forward to umas reaction when he learns kanak filed case against him and some monologues pls
And kanaks reaction when she learns he is in jail

Btw as per ur ipc post uma can be jailed only for kidnapping and marrying her right
Not the cruelty one?

Lol now my post looks confusing
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Sorry for mistakes typing from phone can sometimes autocorrect words and becomes irritating too
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Nice episode. Loved the contrast statemensts of vansh and Saras. Definitely a new story on its way. Massisa is right in her own way. One thing I don't understand why didn't they change their clothes before giving statements it's not the police station was closing. They went with their teej outsfits. Just found it funny.

I feel that this arrest is someone's dream could be kanak. It could also be bhabos, as that's why bhabo went to warn him. And look bhabo knows where is staying. And tbh this arrest doesn't make sense now. Should've done it when it first happened when she ran away then get the police involved complaining that somehow she managed to escape from this horrible man. But no she went back to him willingly. So all she has to do now is get a divorce. Now If he is harassing her I'd understand as then he is being charged for hasrrasmenrb or violence but not for the force marriage. Even the law would know that. That's why Arpita was asking the right questions.

This also means the rathis forgotten how she came in the middle and gave them lectures how she got happiness after getting married and that she's going back to him etc. They forgotten that's she too played with his family and their emotions.

And as for Uma I doubt he would've harassed her the next day as he would've said if it's meant to be she'll come. He only went to break her fast as a husband he fulfilled his duty and left. So why call the police. The next day when he does return Rathis could've said look because of people we didn't say anything let's talk about ir if kanak wants to be with you we will do the whole shadi and do kanyadhan. I'm sure Uma would've understood.

Anywys why can't do a maha episode tomorrow. Gotta wait till Monday now issshhh! I keep checking to see when it's our TSMP turn to take the Sunday maha slot. 😆 😆
Edited by kanum - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Arpita did what a police officer should do..

She asked Kanak all right questions

She referred Sandhya and encouraged to stand for herself

I was so disappointed when Kanak said no for the specific question on cheating

Arpita should have suggested better way to deal with things if Kanak told her about the things she did.

Both Massima and Kanak character disappointed me

Uma should go to jail for IPC 366 others are baseless
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Foram - hey there
Thank you for an elaborate and wonderful comment.

First things first, I read up the IPC on the internet, just copy pasted it so everyone could have an idea what IPC is for what reason. Because it's kinda knowledge stuff.

Coming to Massi and saras - I had to write them up as they appeared in the episode. Massi was angry and she had no control over herself and just blurted out everything that came to her mind.
Whereas saras, she calm and composed, she was questioning that "why wasn't Kanak content with everything" she is obviously groomed up to changing as per husbands convenience, if he doesn't like this and that, she has been taught to adapt no matter what. Saras line "ain't this what a girl wants in a husband" that shows how protected she has been, how little worldly exposure she has had.


Kanak nodded twice once to accept and then to refuse that she did anything wrong. But looking again at her confusion, unconscious refusal to get a complaint lodged, she was extremely pressurized. She was forced out of her will, initially she did call that house a cage, but it changed as she lived there. What Vansh said is what they know and everything positive about Uma is overshadowed by the forced marriage. They have taken fancy to the word 'captive'. What they have conveniently forgotten is that Kanak came home did all the drama went back and returned with shop. Everything happened in a day and everyone is just jumping the guns to just get over with stuff.

Although I do consider forced marriage Uma's original sin, I wouldn't have wanted him jailed, because then the usual drama of guilt and justification starts. What I would have liked at this stage was counseling. Some kind of help for such couples. To help them on how to work through this marriage or separation.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: blueflames


@Foram - hey there
Thank you for an elaborate and wonderful comment.

First things first, I read up the IPC on the internet, just copy pasted it so everyone could have an idea what IPC is for what reason. Because it's kinda knowledge stuff.

Coming to Massi and saras - I had to write them up as they appeared in the episode. Massi was angry and she had no control over herself and just blurted out everything that came to her mind.
Whereas saras, she calm and composed, she was questioning that "why wasn't Kanak content with everything" she is obviously groomed up to changing as per husbands convenience, if he doesn't like this and that, she has been taught to adapt no matter what. Saras line "ain't this what a girl wants in a husband" that shows how protected she has been, how little worldly exposure she has had.


Kanak nodded twice once to accept and then to refuse that she did anything wrong. But looking again at her confusion, unconscious refusal to get a complaint lodged, she was extremely pressurized. She was forced out of her will, initially she did call that house a cage, but it changed as she lived there. What Vansh said is what they know and everything positive about Uma is overshadowed by the forced marriage. They have taken fancy to the word 'captive'. What they have conveniently forgotten is that Kanak came home did all the drama went back and returned with shop. Everything happened in a day and everyone is just jumping the guns to just get over with stuff.

Although I do consider forced marriage Uma's original sin, I wouldn't have wanted him jailed, because then the usual drama of guilt and justification starts. What I would have liked at this stage was counseling. Some kind of help for such couples. To help them on how to work through this marriage or separation.


As you mentioned Arpita asked correct questions.. she also said they will give fair chance to both the parties

I hope even Uma should get chance to speak his mind... n then may be Arpita will realise the true pic.. n she will councel Uma n Kanak...

The other way I see things fwd ... mau be Kanak do not sign at all n returns home... n den bhabho realise yhat how well uma understands her.. n arrange meeting kind stuff... some confrontations n Uma saying sorry or ready for any test..

May be he has told Masisa that he wont come back without Kanak..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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hi blue...the episode was torture for.me to watch..at first kanaks hesitation in going to police station irked me..i understand her confusion..but i dnt underatand why cant she just say the whole truth.. the kmb truth..even the fact that she doesnt think uma.is a bad person..let the law make its judgement..if by law uma.can be proved innocent in any way let that happen..and if it still doesnt prove so..then uma deserves it..people who dnt file cases for such things are responsible for cases like kanak.and uma..its her responsibilty to tell the whole truth..and now..the kmb guilt will take over her and probably she takes back ehr complaint.too..
and massisa..i understand her anger and even her pov..its obvious she would think onky that way about midern women and education..but what dis she mean by doing simething to kanak and rathis which thet will rmemeber for their whole life..has she become the mogambo now....

vansh and ved according to.me.are tge closest to normal in the whole serial for me..if i was in their poaition i would have prompted her until she signs..may be i would have been angry at her too for being an idiot..🤔..

saras and payal scene was good with parallel to.vansh scene..another two.opposites...all saras points seema true only if the girl wants that man as husband..it is easy to say these whe in arranged marriage or live marriage..but when the bride disnt even wanted to get married to the man what is the point of anything that was done to her as a wife or daughter in law..would saras be ok if she was married unwillingly by another man and he force her to.live totally on different rules..would she consider herself lucky. ..well if her partner is vansh..then ...saras is definitely going to be a lucky girl😉..thats all i can find here..and when saras kept poinitng how lucky a girl.like kanak should be when her husband does all the things uma does..keeping close..respect and stuff..i was laughing at the look of payal..well..payal started of by taking a jibe at kanak for she has always dissapointed the family..but with saras points all the jibes were back on her..because she has none of the fortunes saras mentioned...all she has is a photo and no future..

and the precap..umas confidence made me feel both sympathetic and then i felt yea..he definitely deserves it..come to earth man..this is not devalok...🤓
but who was that police officer..😕..looked.more.like ghost to.me..the way he was saying kanak has filed complaint..🤡
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Blue...

Me at a weddding... not a force one...
Dancing and Reading your post..
Need to watch epi..
Will be editing the post later...

Kanak is a first Class Cheat...
Everything she did was for the shop
... hee action are wrong... like US was wrong to force her... she was cheating them for her OWN benevit... hold on... I m not comparing Faults/ mistakes/ crimes... im pointing out That we have to ve truthfull to ourself... and kanak isnt...

I want US to realize his crime/ mistake...
But IF he has to, kanak Shoud too...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Deeps - hey there
Thank you for the wonderful comment.

The whole dialogue today that "such people need to be punished, as girls of this age will not tolerate such things" -- the whole of idea presenting woman power goes to the drain, the moment Kanak steps back in her in laws house. -- but this discussion would indeed be done at length some other day.

Kanak is confused, pressured and in doubt, she should have taken a time out, just a minute or so just to sigh and clearing up the clouds from her mind... her brothers are indeed looking out for her, doing what they think is best for Kanak, but aren't they pushing Kanak too, Kanak tried to refuse and they didn't budge, but took her inside. They are influencing her too much -- all this results in the same issue, girl power is used only against husband and in laws, but she can't put her foot down to her brothers.
The whole truth needs to be acknowledged regarding KMB, no matter what. How what and when the misunderstanding was caused.

You have pointed out a insightful point towards Payal, that she started by taking jibes but then she is left to drown in distress, when she realize that she has none of what Kanak has, be it a husband or love, or pehredaar.
Saras on the other hand has been brought up overly protected, her track forward should be how she is going to adjusts adapt and develop into a butterfly.

Coming to Massi bashing modern girls, it's kinda true to some extent, one bad fish ruins the entire pond. not everyone can be sanskari, so yeah one negative overshadows all good. Hence modern educated girls are indigestible to Massi.

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