Is Dharam an excuse? - Page 2

The boundaries of one's religion is imposition of it upon another. Uma is welcome to drink cow piss, tatoo himself, drink his own wash water, etc. But, nobody should impose their faith upon another. It is, however, what US and his family and followers have done consistently in this show. That is not legal, ethical, or justified in a democracy such as India. Kidnapping, forced marriage, marrying a girl to a photo cannot be justified in the name of dharam. In Payal's case she did not complain so there can be no charges, but if Kanak makes complaint or her family does then that is legally their right. US is not God and he had no right to make decisions for Kanak when she rejected his proposal.

I agree with you, @wierdlynormal. He has known all the time that what he did is out of low. But for him, low is his religion. He could be hurt if Kanak filed complaint, but not angry .

Originally posted by: hindifan

First, i was not talking about religious beliefs, didn't write that, but about beliefs=values.

Second, mitigating circumstance is not his religion but the fact he hadn't bad intentions, he didn't want to hurt her. Even his zeal was not his option, it's because he has been raised like that from his childhood. These are mitigating circumstances for his bad act.

Third. I just want a peaceful and beneficial medium on this forum, that's all.

But for any religious person ...

The root of their beliefs and values comes from religion itself or to word it better, how they interpret religion and Gods will.

You cant seperate beliefs and values from religion...their whole world and being is shaped by their interpretation of their religion.

He didn't have bad intentions? For whom did he not, himself or Kanak? It's only him that gained any kind of good thing out of this. If Kanak gained anything, it's pain, tears, suffocation, isolation etc. From any other point of view thats not Uma's, it's not good intention. It's just selfish and a harmful act.

Those are not mitigating circumstances, those points all shift the blame from Uma to everything else but him. Basically those points make it so that we don't hold him accountable for his own actions.

He didn't want to hurt her but he did

His zeal wasnt his option but it was

He didn't have bad intentions but he ended up doing bad inhumane work

They do say the road to hell is paved with good intentions...at the end of the day it's your good actions that mean more than your good intentions

Uma had a choice regardless of his history and his values and his intentions and he chose wrong and it's only him that should be held accountable for it.

*** as far as I've seen...it's a peaceful forum. No bashing or attacking people from what I've seen...debating on topics is healthy and fun, atleast for me.

Originally posted by: hindifan

I agree with you, @wierdlynormal. He has known all the time that what he did is out of low. But for him, low is his religion. He could be hurt if Kanak filed complaint, but not angry .

He said before he is sorry for the manner he married her but will never regret he did it.

He could immolate himself if he had broke his dharm marring her, but being confident that she is send by Lord in his life, detention is not a punishment.

I think his deposition will be heartbreaking if cvs chose to show one.

The problem will be the negative advertising in media. His big ego will be shattered

I loved your explanation.

Originally posted by: Ahlaam5

But for any religious person ...

The root of their beliefs and values comes from religion itself or to word it better, how they interpret religion and Gods will.

You cant seperate beliefs and values from religion...their whole world and being is shaped by their interpretation of their religion.

He didn't have bad intentions? For whom did he not, himself or Kanak? It's only him that gained any kind of good thing out of this. If Kanak gained anything, it's pain, tears, suffocation, isolation etc. From any other point of view thats not Uma's, it's not good intention. It's just selfish and a harmful act.

Those are not mitigating circumstances, those points all shift the blame from Uma to everything else but him. Basically those points make it so that we don't hold him accountable for his own actions.

He didn't want to hurt her but he did

His zeal wasnt his option but it was

He didn't have bad intentions but he ended up doing bad inhumane work

They do say the road to hell is paved with good intentions...at the end of the day it's your good actions that mean more than your good intentions

Uma had a choice regardless of his history and his values and his intentions and he chose wrong and it's only him that should be held accountable for it.

*** as far as I've seen...it's a peaceful forum. No bashing or attacking people from what I've seen...debating on topics is healthy and fun, atleast for me.

Originally posted by: weirdlynormal

Thanku hindifan... I remember him saying he apologises fo r forcing when Kanak comes back and challenges that he only will break.

Can u pls tell me where he said he apologizes but will not regret it.

Originally posted by: hindifan

Ok, as you say...

Didn't know we are only religious people here...

Sorry i tried to have clemency about Uma's actions or about those who want to understand him.

Now i understand...

And i really have fun.

The problem in this show is showing adharma as dharma and saying that's what Hindu dharma says which is utter nonsense.The marriage that took place is called rakshas vivah without consent of bride and it is adharma.For this show to show adharma and saying that's what Hindu dharma says is utter rubbish and nonsense!It is as though they are putting down Hinduism in a subtle way.

It is as though they are trying to show Uma is a good guy but for the poor adharmic religion that he follows that is misguiding him.Whatever they are showing in this show with all these tests of a wife etc is bogus.Women are held with highest regard in Hinduism.Any ritual that is done has to be with your ardhangini to get complete blessing.They say in the rituals even if wife can't participate if the husband does it wife will get half his punya even without her sitting and doing any pooja.So writers of this show please get your facts right before showing anything about Hinduism and it's dharma and for god 's sakes stop misinforming and misguiding young men and women.Shame on you !

Originally posted by: Sanathana123

The problem in this show is showing adharma as dharma and saying that's what Hindu dharma says which is utter nonsense.The marriage that took place is called rakshas vivah without consent of bride and it is adharma.For this show to show adharma and saying that's what Hindu dharma says is utter rubbish and nonsense!It is as though they are putting down Hinduism in a subtle way.

It's not my place to say anthing cos it's not my religion. If I'm wrong let me know.

I have always figured they're showing an extremist religious person and/or a corrupt one that needs to change before he really and completely loses his way (more than he has).

But yes you're right by showing these things, they do put down the religion but as long as Uma changes and learns from his old mistakes, as long as they clarify that he has become Adharma. It will be a good serial with a good social message.


The way they handle it will make it the biggest difference. And especially how Kanak reacts to him from now on will make a difference, if Kanak treats Uma and Uma's interpretation of his religion as seperate entities in the court case then it'll just become an attack on a religion.