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Originally posted by: awida

I respect you and your believes. I agree with you none should convert just for love. If you don't believe in something don't do it to please someone else. 😊

I am a religious woman. I am not that perfect muslim who follow all the rules of Islam, but I do all I can , or try to at least. 😊

I don't think a muslim woman can rise her children as good muslims if their father isn't muslim. You know children consider their parents role models. So I understand why Islam forbided women from marrying non muslim guys. Muslim men are allowed to marry Christian and Jews.. although not preferable , because the man is considered the head of the family, so he can assure his sons become muslims. Although I doubt it in new age. 🤔

I think love is the strongest feeling in this world. It drives ppl to do things they never imagined they could do. Have you been in love Swathi? I don't judge ppl for choosing to be with their beloved ones over their religions, coz I myself tested love and I know it can drive ppl crazy.😆

Sorry to say but Islam is a very manly religion. I have read the Quran, it is all about men getting everything and women getting almost nothing. Even in afterlife it talks about men getting 72 hoors, but what about women? Women are second class or third class in Islam.

I use to work for a social office where many women came who were assaulted by their husbands or their male family members, more the half of them use to muslim women, this exposed me to how cruel so many muslim men were, and all of these women were from religious muslim families, not liberal type

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I don't think that's true. One of my Christian colleague is married to a Muslim boy. But her son follows Christianity and despite multiple efforts of his father and grandparents (they live in joint family) he doesn't follow any Muslim ritual (in India you can't convert your religion till the age of 18 n are legally of your father's religion till then, so till last June when he turned 18( post which he legally converted to Christianity) he was officially a Muslim, lives in a Muslim household and didn't celebrate any Muslim ritual

Other example is of my friend, her mom in a Hindu n dad a Muslim, and she follows both religion calls herself a Hindu+Muslim fasts for Ramdaan as well as Janamashtmi and Navratri

Another friend has Hindu father n Christian mother, she follows Christianity while her brother follows Hinduism

These are all personal experiences everyone selects the religion on their own has nothing to with father having more chances to get the child follow his religion

I don'teel a religious mother can't raise her children as a devout follower of her religion just because their father is of another religion while Father can do it.

Coming to conversions for religion, I think if conversion is needed then that simply means there is no love. A person can love only when there is intent to accept other the way other is. If you need other to change (convert) then that means it's simply an trade off and not love.

Saying that I have seen Pakistani shows/movies whenever have Hindu characters, show the girls just waiting for an opportunity to Islam and just can't thank enough when they get that opportunity. While Muslim girls are shown to be devout who keep their Iman over everything even their lives. This dual standard in Pakistani shows is something I dislike a lot like even we Hindu girls are proud of our faith, there is a reason why Hinduism survived while all its contemporary religions vanished without trace. Just because we respect all faiths and feel all worship paths lead to same God doesn't mean we are dying to convert.

Sorry if that did hurt anyone but that's what I felt

I was talking about Islamic rules.. not about what muslims do. Not every muslim is religious, specially those who live in non Islamic countries. I too know two women from Yemen who live in UK and got married to Christians. I don't deny this happening. But is it allowed in Islam? No. Why? I wrote it as per our muslim schoolers explained.😊

I was clear about not supporting conversion for love or marriage.

Yes. Pakistani dramas show Hindu women converting. I watched Indian dramas which have muslim girls doing poojas and all , like: Bepanaah, same goes with movies.

Originally posted by: awida

I was talking about Islamic rules.. not about what muslims do. Not every muslim is religious, specially those who live in non Islamic countries. I too know two women from Yemen who live in UK and got married to Christians. I don't deny this happening. But is it allowed in Islam? No. Why? I wrote it as per our muslim schoolers explained.😊

I was clear about not supporting conversion for love or marriage.

Yes. Pakistani dramas show Hindu women converting. I watched Indian dramas which have muslim girls doing poojas and all , like: Bepanaah, same goes with movies.

Actually I meant the reason which you gave isn't valid these days since opposite has been happening since long. There could be some other reasons which we aren't able to decipher.

Yes Indian shows/movies also Muslims women doing Pooja but not as converting. But then they also Hindu men and women performing Muslim rituals like Namaz, Roza etc. Like in Bepanah Hindu boy was shown performing Namaz, Jodha Akbar had Hindu woman fasting for Ramdaan, Kuchh kuchh hota hai had Hindu girl Anjali performing Namaz, Namaste London had Hindu character of Akshay Kumar visiting a mosque, and many more. Lots of movies/shows have characters visiting Dargah.

There are Hindu girls marrying Muslim men in Indian shows movies like Jodha Akbar, Lakshmi, Mission Kashmir etc.

Pakistani shows have it completely unidirectional that's what my point was its only Hindus who convert/perform rituals of Islam while none of Muslim characters does that.

Anyhow that was my personal opinion not intended to hurt anyone

Originally posted by: jeetuji

Islam is very strict and radical. Mullahs will go crazy and start killing if they ever show muslim girl marrying hindu in pakistani drama.

@jeetuji

You may want to keep your high emotions and choice of words in check. The religion is Islam and people who follow it are called Muslims.

This forum especially, has a wide varied audience from multiple nations and religions. Stating facts and personal opinions without offending others is not that hard, if you try. I suggest you do try it once.

How do you explain Khap Panchayat and honor killings in hindu communities?

Let's understand that no one religion is bad or good..it is never black and white. Extremism in anything, religion, caste, gender bias, masculinity, feminism etc is the culprit, almost always.

Originally posted by: awida

I respect you and your believes. I agree with you none should convert just for love. If you don't believe in something don't do it to please someone else. 😊

I am a religious woman. I am not that perfect muslim who follow all the rules of Islam, but I do all I can , or try to at least. 😊

I don't think a muslim woman can rise her children as good muslims if their father isn't muslim. You know children consider their parents role models. So I understand why Islam forbided women from marrying non muslim guys. Muslim men are allowed to marry Christian and Jews.. although not preferable , because the man is considered the head of the family, so he can assure his sons become muslims. Although I doubt it in new age. 🤔

I think love is the strongest feeling in this world. It drives ppl to do things they never imagined they could do. Have you been in love Swathi? I don't judge ppl for choosing to be with their beloved ones over their religions, coz I myself tested love and I know it can drive ppl crazy.😆

Like i said, if i were to fall in love with a non Hindu, if the minimum requirement for us to be together is that I have to convert - then it is a NO for me. And that's not because i love my religion too much or hate his religion - it is because if religion is such a big matter for the boy that he cannot overlook then the relationship is not worth it IMO.

Mine is a interstate but same religion love marriage. Husband is not very religious, n i would call myself more spiritual than religious. His side of the family is devout hindu followers. His mom has atleast 2-3 poojas/fasting/dietary restrictions etc every week. Initially she expected me to do the same as their bahu (boys are exempted as always🙄) but it became clear very soon that it is not gonna happen. My husband is pretty vocal too.. He lets his mom do whatever she wants to do, gives her money for all these poojas and never does he tell to stop doing it. And on the other hand he does not let anyone else dictate what he or i need to do.

My husband and i are super non-vegetarian food lovers. Can't do without it! We always tell each other that had one of us been a vegetarian/vegan, this match wouldn't have happened. Food over Love.. Tummy over Heart. 😂

Originally posted by: stardust2011

@jeetuji

You may want to keep your high emotions and choice of words in check. The religion is Islam and people who follow it are called Muslims.

This forum especially, has a wide varied audience from multiple nations and religions. Stating facts and personal opinions without offending others is not that hard, if you try. I suggest you do try it once.

How do you explain Khap Panchayat and honor killings in hindu communities?

Let's understand that no one religion is bad or good..it is never black and white. Extremism in anything, religion, caste, gender bias, masculinity, feminism etc is the culprit, almost always.

Thank you for being so diplomatic. I didn't like what was said and how it was said. But liked what you said.

Originally posted by: stardust2011

@jeetuji

You may want to keep your high emotions and choice of words in check. The religion is Islam and people who follow it are called Muslims.

This forum especially, has a wide varied audience from multiple nations and religions. Stating facts and personal opinions without offending others is not that hard, if you try. I suggest you do try it once.

How do you explain Khap Panchayat and honor killings in hindu communities?

Let's understand that no one religion is bad or good..it is never black and white. Extremism in anything, religion, caste, gender bias, masculinity, feminism etc is the culprit, almost always.

I agree, at the end of the day religions are the problem, this is why I am pure secular. I left hinduism 15 years ago and I eat beef. However there is a difference I notice in religions, some religions are much more radical and dangerous to society then others.

Originally posted by: stardust2011

@jeetuji

You may want to keep your high emotions and choice of words in check. The religion is Islam and people who follow it are called Muslims.

This community especially has a wide varied audience from multiple nations and religions. Stating facts and personal opinions without offending others is not that hard, if you try. I suggest you do try it once.

How do you explain Khap Panchayat and honor killings in hindu communities?

Let's understand that no one religion is bad or good..it is never black and white. Extremism in anything, religion, caste, gender bias etc is the culprit, almost always.

Just to clear my stand, I am not targeting any religion/community.

I simply stated my opinion and just because the ongoing topic was about it. All the Pakistani shows/movies where they bring inter religious angle have girls behaving like conversion is a very normal thing for them (especially in case of Hindu girls are shown thankful that they got an opportunity to convert) this isn't completely wrong since many girls might find the teachings very good and would like to convert. However in that case the reverse is true too, few Muslim girls/boys do decide to marry boys of other faith, convert into other religions/Athiesm that is completely missing from Pakistani telecast unlike in Indian movies/shows where such actions are shown for every community

They don't even show a Muslim girl n non Muslim boy love story where the boy converts for love (Ishqzaat had the hero actually being a Muslim by birth and always attracted towards that religion, he just followed Sikhism because he was raised by a Sikh)

I personally think either show from both the sides or don't show at all. The way Pakistani shows project is like it's nothing for anyone else to convert to Islam but a matter more important than life for a Muslim. That was something which does seem pretty self centered to me.

Mushrik actually had the sister of the hero calling the heroine (Hindu) and ask her to convert to Islam since her brother loves her. They had made a commitment to their mother that she would convert to Islam even before the boy had asked his love if she has some feelings for him(forget asking if she is ready to convert for him)

Then the girl says that she isn't interested in boy but can give it a thought if he converts to Hinduism and the sister was like are you out of your mind, how can he convert. Other characters started calling her by bad names because she was trying to bring Kufra into the life of a Muslim boy. Heck she wasn't the one to start the discussion on conversion you people brought that topic. So what exactly did they want to say it's ok to ask a Hindu to convert into Islam but demonic to ask a Muslim to convert into Hinduism? That did sound hypocritical n two faced to me.

That's why I specifically praised the makers of Bin Roye who showed relationship n marriage between Muslim boy n non muslim Hindu girl without conversion (whether or not it's allowed, it's definitely a practice among people in western countries) although they made her character irritating and greyish towards the end but she never became out n out negative

Anyhow if still you people think I have insulted anyone I want to clarify that wasn't my intention at all

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Just to clear my stand, I am not targeting any religion/community.

I simply stated my opinion and just because the ongoing topic was about it. All the Pakistani shows/movies where they bring inter religious angle have girls behaving like conversion is a very normal thing for them (especially in case of Hindu girls are shown thankful that they got an opportunity to convert) this isn't completely wrong since many girls might find the teachings very good and would like to convert. However in that case the reverse is true too, few Muslim girls/boys do decide to marry boys of other faith, convert into other religions/Athiesm that is completely missing from Pakistani telecast unlike in Indian movies/shows where such actions are shown for every community

They don't even show a Muslim girl n non Muslim boy love story where the boy converts for love (Ishqzaat had the hero actually being a Muslim by birth and always attracted towards that religion, he just followed Sikhism because he was raised by a Sikh)

I personally think either show from both the sides or don't show at all. The way Pakistani shows project is like it's nothing for anyone else to convert to Islam but a matter more important than life for a Muslim. That was something which does seem pretty self centered to me.

Mushrik actually had the sister of the hero calling the heroine (Hindu) and ask her to convert to Islam since her brother loves her. They had made a commitment to their mother that she would convert to Islam even before the boy had asked his love if she has some feelings for him(forget asking if she is ready to convert for him)

Then the girl says that she isn't interested in boy but can give it a thought if he converts to Hinduism and the sister was like are you out of your mind, how can he convert. Other characters started calling her by bad names because she was trying to bring Kufra into the life of a Muslim boy. Heck she wasn't the one to start the discussion on conversion you people brought that topic. So what exactly did they want to say it's ok to ask a Hindu to convert into Islam but demonic to ask a Muslim to convert into Hinduism? That did sound hypocritical n two faced to me.

That's why I specifically praised the makers of Bin Roye who showed relationship n marriage between Muslim boy n non muslim Hindu girl without conversion (whether or not it's allowed, it's definitely a practice among people in western countries) although they made her character irritating and greyish towards the end but she never became out n out negative

Anyhow if still you people think I have insulted anyone I want to clarify that wasn't my intention at all

@flauntPessimissim..it was not directed at you. Infact i would like to refer @jeetuji to your posts on how to disagree, debate or even denounce respectfully.

You made an observation ( which i agree with too) and put it across without insulting or name calling. 😁👍

Coming to a muslim boy converting for non-muslim girl is not a commonly touched topic even in indian movies/dramas rt. Nobody wants to get a fatwa issued or their families threatened because some orthodox jobless guy waiting to pounce on the creator of the show. Now that is in a secular country like India so one can only imagine how much more opposition they would face in an islamic country. 🙄

Personal opinion is that religion should be a guideline, not a rulebook. Let people interpret and practice it in their own way, without having watchdogs and custodians to enforce it.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Just to clear my stand, I am not targeting any religion/community.

I simply stated my opinion and just because the ongoing topic was about it. All the Pakistani shows/movies where they bring inter religious angle have girls behaving like conversion is a very normal thing for them (especially in case of Hindu girls are shown thankful that they got an opportunity to convert) this isn't completely wrong since many girls might find the teachings very good and would like to convert. However in that case the reverse is true too, few Muslim girls/boys do decide to marry boys of other faith, convert into other religions/Athiesm that is completely missing from Pakistani telecast unlike in Indian movies/shows where such actions are shown for every community

They don't even show a Muslim girl n non Muslim boy love story where the boy converts for love (Ishqzaat had the hero actually being a Muslim by birth and always attracted towards that religion, he just followed Sikhism because he was raised by a Sikh)

I personally think either show from both the sides or don't show at all. The way Pakistani shows project is like it's nothing for anyone else to convert to Islam but a matter more important than life for a Muslim. That was something which does seem pretty self centered to me.

Mushrik actually had the sister of the hero calling the heroine (Hindu) and ask her to convert to Islam since her brother loves her. They had made a commitment to their mother that she would convert to Islam even before the boy had asked his love if she has some feelings for him(forget asking if she is ready to convert for him)

Then the girl says that she isn't interested in boy but can give it a thought if he converts to Hinduism and the sister was like are you out of your mind, how can he convert. Other characters started calling her by bad names because she was trying to bring Kufra into the life of a Muslim boy. Heck she wasn't the one to start the discussion on conversion you people brought that topic. So what exactly did they want to say it's ok to ask a Hindu to convert into Islam but demonic to ask a Muslim to convert into Hinduism? That did sound hypocritical n two faced to me.

That's why I specifically praised the makers of Bin Roye who showed relationship n marriage between Muslim boy n non muslim Hindu girl without conversion (whether or not it's allowed, it's definitely a practice among people in western countries) although they made her character irritating and greyish towards the end but she never became out n out negative

Anyhow if still you people think I have insulted anyone I want to clarify that wasn't my intention at all

It's a big taboo, like I said Mullahs will start killing if they dare show a muslim girl falling in love with hindu or any non muslim. Some Pakistanis are a little liberal it seems, but even they know their boundries, because they will be killed if they cross those boundaries.

For us living in secular societies, we are the lucky ones