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Posted: 5 years ago
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There is always a support for "so called" abusive leads because there is always a different perspective to their every  action ... If everything is perfect there wont be a story, even ramayan and mahabharat had villains who can be justified somehow.. The reason such characters are liked is because its intriguing to watch different shades of humans , albeit real ones , which vary from white to gray to dark. And its also interesting to watch their healing as the common message being sent out is "good conquers over evil" . They can still play with the heros but "real" women can be counted on fingers...gray are non entities...wonder why. Eithrr they are vamps or they are devijis. And wonder why they fall for these rich brats. Yeah nowdays i can spot a few on sony tv. Patiala babes and ladies special..applaud worthy serials..

Totally off the tangent this point being brought up . 


I never liked kartik as much i liked him in this track as for the first time he did something which made him look like human(amd not a foolish human) . It was very very wrong what he did n therr is no justification for it but . But he did it for naira , to save her from the shock of a dead baby . Its not as if he sold the child off for money or he is a child trafficker. Yes he can be and will be redeemed..but its useless to point a finger on those who supported naksh and kirti. Why cant we accept everybodys pov and have a mature discussion ..its.not necessary to always compare the old vs new ye rishta and pull down every debate to actors and fandoms. 

Eta sorry i forgot .Kartiks mistake is passable bec othrr leads have been worse ?   imo no logic in this. 
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: RapChick101

Like you said, healthy debate.


So I get that it's Shivin a large part of the audience likes, but there IS also an existent audience to this show that comes from a PRE Shivin times, and not to take away from Shivin's work but the show "Yeh Rishta Kya Kehlata hai had a VERY strong fan base from year 1. The show from my point of view, for years together had been faring rather great (also better than it ever has since the past two years) qt the trp game.

I do agree with you. But also I think the TRP game is quite different now, and it's also out of 4 now. And at the same time that pre-Shivin audience, IMO, appreciates them more than the other character present in the show currently. Idk if that made sense. 

A show which was story eccentric has now become restricted to just a couple (who maybe the most popular of the current lot but the kind of fandom that the older yrkkh characters carry remains unbeaten). 

The thing is that the show has stopped working without Kaira because of the other characters being so badly written that the audience rejects anything not Kaira. Also Twitter fandom is unbearable when that happens. Also, the older YRKKH fandom that you speak of it mainly restricted to Hina. I don't even see Karan Mehra getting much appreciation these days. 

So any kind of an excuse where the MLs of other shows have done worse seem legit sad because in all honesty the show I've grown up watching (not so willingly in the past few months especially) had been a show that was all about the real negativities of life. Real and subtle, because that is how it works even today. There once were tracks about an insecure mother (in-law) Gayatri and a new fitting daughter in-law Akshara, then the Nandini-Mohit lovestory and it's ups and downs, the Anshu tracks, Rashmi's divorce, Naira-Naksh growing up stages, Gopi dadi-Shankhri Tai (side characters) also had a story respectively and the best was Akshara-Varsha friendship. All these characters were flawed yet they were rather real. 

For example: when bhabhi Maa blamed Akshara for the dadaji mishap, Naitik chose to leave with Akshara. Not out of mahaanta but out of love and support which legit any loving husband would have for his wife. Kartik on the other hand, after Shubham's death went the other way round. Shubham, a brother he so beautifully wronged. That was whitewashed, anyway.

As someone who hasn't seen the show properly before, I don't think it's fair of me to comment on other tracks. But I brought of the other ML parts as more of a reason as to why people support Kartik, not as an excuse for Kartik's very blatant mistake. As for Shubham, my unpopular opinion is that Kartik wasn't a great brother but I think it's a little far to say that he wronged Shubhamn. That was mainly Suwarna who got a complete free pass. 

Okay so now we say that what Kartik did was his flawed nature plus the undying love he has for Naira.

Can someone explain to me, how can he just have two moods? Guilt and romance. His guilt was also more Naira centric than Keerti who unfortunately happens to be her sister. Talking about other characters in other shows can give us satisfaction of continuity in liking the wrecked one we love but then justifying it makes it cheap (I mean justifying his actions only make them worse for viewers who don't watch the show for the precious Kaira).

Forget KeeSh, but what about the baby?

And is that what we're actually defending that it's okay to just be concerned about your wife (who is apparently very courageous when she interferes in almost every other person's matters. I mean honestly Keerti's previously lost a child due to Naira's foolishness and no I am not saying the stalker was her fault but really how can someone be that dumb-_-)

I don't really agree with a lot of your points here. I don't think it was Naira centric at all but still if that's how you felt. But your last point is IMO completely wrong. It's high time the show and audience stopped holding Naira accountable for everything that goes wrong in a full grown adult's life. Keerti was insistent and there's only so much you can do to stop that. 

From a show that was about people it's become Kaira and how. Can very gladly say, leaving this show with this track proves of everything that I've just said.


P.S before Shivin fans attack, let me clear it out I've followed Shivangi for the longest time and she was a delight at Aayat. Mohsin is cool too. My problem is with the characters- Kaira.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fari_15

I am a Kaira fan and watch the show mainly for them. I just started watching from August, and did give Keesh a chance, however, after a while I just couldn't watch their scenes because of the lack of proper story line they were given and the robotic acting. 

Having said that, despite of my biasness towards Kaira, I still cannot bring myself to support him in this track. I firmly believe he deserved all the thrashing he got in Friday's and yesterday's episode. I would have understood and maybe supported him a bit had he told Keesh a day after Keerti had woken up, instead of waiting for 11 days. At that point, it seemed like had Keesh not found out, he would have never given the baby back, which is equivalent to stealing. 

Oh I think he totally deserved what he got on Friday too. He was wrong obviously but I don't think he deserve what he's getting now. Also he was going to explain everything to Naira in the letter. Before that Keesh came. I just feel like in a family that has had people do worse, Kartik has gotten the worse deal. I mean Suwarna got away with pretending her son was dead for years and she wasn't even planning on revealing the truth. It's a little hypocritical. 

Coming to your point about other male characters being worse than Kartik, I don't think that's a strong argument considering those heroes are introduced as anti--heros and then miraculously they have a change of heart. Their bad-boy nature is what attracts the audience to them. Also, correct me if I am wrong, but aren't Gul shows mainly watched and appreciated by the younger audience rather than the trp audience?  
Kartik, on the other hand, was always shown as this near to perfect guy. He has weakness, like his anger, compulsiveness, however, hes not evil like other male leads. This track literally portrayed him as a criminal, which was completely out of character for him. 

Despite of knowing all this, I still have a soft spot for Kartik, because of Mohsin's acting. You just can't hate him. I still feel sorry for everything he went through. 

I will give you an example. My mother watches almost all shows on star plus. My mother and sister were watching the show and asking me about it during the hospital week, however, the next week after the baby swap, they were like we can't bear to look at this show. Even the trp dropped that week. Not saying my family's opinion can be used to generalize the public's opinion, but they watch the show from a neutral pov unlike us fans. Similarly, right now she's liking Anurag's character and she say's how nice he is, which is the opinion the public had for Kartik before he swapped the babies. 

At this point, I am really curious to know how Kartik's character is redeemed by the cvs, because the despite everything, he did wrong everyone in the family and commit a crime. 




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Posted: 5 years ago
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jb akshara thi is show mein tb hr character ko imp milti thi n sb log nazar atay thy and yahi best chez thi show ki but jb sy kaira aye hein tb sy pury dramy ka focus un par hai,sari story unk aas pas ghumti,sirf wo nazar atay mtlb unk ilawa kuch hai hi naii... 2 mins silence for kaira fans agar naira kartik ksi ko maar bhi dein gy tb bhi unk fans kahein gy k kaira sahi hein bilkul... keesh tb tk bht acha tha jb tk rishi n mohina ka pair tha but still keesh ko bina matlb k bura bhala khny waly insecure logo sy req hai k dnt worry apk kaira hi imp rahein gy hmesha
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: esha.esha

jb akshara thi is show mein tb hr character ko imp milti thi n sb log nazar atay thy and yahi best chez thi show ki but jb sy kaira aye hein tb sy pury dramy ka focus un par hai,sari story unk aas pas ghumti,sirf wo nazar atay mtlb unk ilawa kuch hai hi naii... 2 mins silence for kaira fans agar naira kartik ksi ko maar bhi dein gy tb bhi unk fans kahein gy k kaira sahi hein bilkul... keesh tb tk bht acha tha jb tk rishi n mohina ka pair tha but still keesh ko bina matlb k bura bhala khny waly insecure logo sy req hai k dnt worry apk kaira hi imp rahein gy hmesha



As few people have already commented before, it's best if we stop comparing the "old yrkkh to the "new yrkkh. That show was started 10 years ago in a time where channels weren't this cut-throat. Shows were given a chance to breathe and explore different characters and storylines, however, now with such fierce competition it's survival of the fittest.
Currently, most of star plus shows are under scanner due to the low ratings. Unfortunately, or fortunately for the Kaira fans, ever since the show took the generation leap, the ratings have proven that the audience is mainly only interested in Kaira and their story. The cvs don't have the liberty to introduce new characters or do test-runs on existing characters because once you lose the top spot, it is difficult to get back to it. Current example being Kulfi. The show was a top performer but once it lost its mark, it's now struggling with the ratings, despite new promos being released every week.

I am no where discrediting the fact that yrkkh ran for 8 years before Kaira and continuously fetched good ratings, but if you are not aware, the show was under scanner for a year or two before the generation leap and was even given a final date, that's when the generation leap was introduced and the numbers started picking up again.

As far as Rishi and Mohena are concerned, sadly their character development was very poor from the beginning. The portrayal wasn't the best either.

Feel bad for Shehzad because he seems like a decent actor but I guess it's kind of too late to develop any liking or interest towards Naksh's character.


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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Piyali.

Disclaimer: I love Kaira, don't like Keesh (like Shehzad though), healthy debate does not mean bash me or bash character - if you're going to get triggered, just don't read it. Also I write like forever, so patience is key. 

I've stalked this forum for a long time but I don't usually say much but I've recently seen a lot of posts recently that basically pose the question why Kaira? Why do people support them, especially in this track? Why not Keesh? Well I, as obnoxious as it may be of me, have decided that I have way too much free time and would love to answer this question a.k.a I have a lot of work and would rather spend my time analyzing a fictional couple I love on a post that will get zero to a bare minimum of replies cause damn this forum is kinda dead.

Here's my two cents about this track. I am biased, but not delusional enough to think that Kartik isn't wrong in this track. Because he is, largely so and he deserved a lot of what he got on Friday. But if you look at ITV and it's history of crap ML's whose entire existence is to torture a bechari FL for revenge or something and they practically get away with murder, it ain't that hard to understand Kartik whose intentions have been very clearly his wife's health. I'm scared of MOD's and fandom wars so I won't mention names *cough* Gul shows *cough* but ITV abusive males have been lapped up because of nothing but good looks. Kartik, not so much this year, has a history of being a pretty great husband so this, good intention wala mistake, doesn't come off so bad. Forget ITV look at Tv shows. Chuck sold Blair for a hotel, Ezra, a teacher, lied to Aria, a student, and dated her to write a book. These are celebrated couples. If you think about it, Kartik Goenka doesn't seem so bad anymore. But really, it's the sympathetic dialogues and most of all Mohsin's delivery of it that will never let any dedicated Kaira fan (that's me and also other fandom's as twitter has proved) hate Kartik, even if he is wrong this time. He pulls on heartstrings and when he breaks, you can't help but not hate him. People have forgiven ML's for much more, they'll forgive KG too. 

Speaking of acting, well that's really it; that and Chemistry. That is why it's Kaira and not Keesh. People forget, but this wasn't the original leap in YRKKH. They tried with Rohan too but that didn't work. There was an attempted transition there too, to make both Akshara-Naitik/Rohan-Tara, leads together it didn't work. But with Mohsin Shivangi it happened so naturally. Audience, TRP and Online, loved (still love obvi) them. This is where Keesh lack. I'm not talking about Shehzad here because he just entered, I like him after Bepannah but really he can't do anything. The quite inconsistent writing and somewhat bad portrayal by both the previous actors, has left him with a pretty hated character. Mohena, on the other hand, is unfortunately not quite there as an actresses. That's why, in an episode like Friday''s where it should have been her time to shine, the buzz is around Shivangi's breakdown in the last 5 minutes. It's not entirely her fault, because she hasn't been given the good arch or story to follow. 

But here's a slightly controversial opinion: The Kaira story line is not extraordinary by any means. In fact it's pretty common. Their love story is beautiful no doubt, but nothing that hasn't been seen. What sets it apart is Shivangi and Mohsin, their brilliant acting and their chemistry that is near perfect. They perform well excited/written tracks amazingly but they are also of a high enough caliber, to perform well in terribly executed/written tracks Emotional scenes, I've seen many great actors excel. But their charm is their subtlety. So why Kaira? Well here's my answer. It's not Kaira. At the end of the day, be it onscreen or offscreen it's Shivin that fans love, because they don't act Kaira, they embody it. 






Couldn't agree more. Sometimes the story can be crap, but shivin are so amazing that you still watch it.
People don't like sad tracks, but shivin ace them so much, there are people demanding for that( to my sadness- I just want happy KAIRA ). 
There is no other character in the show that keeps you hooked to them like shivin. All my other loved charecchar of the show is reflection of how much they prioritise kaira, be it npapa, Nani, sometimes Swarna and Manish  and dadi