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Posted: 6 years ago
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In fact, Radha Bai was very sure that Baji would not be able to even respect his father the same way, much less forgive him!
That's what she gave as the reason for keeping her pain a secret for so many years.
So what Baji did would definitely shock her. Her reaction isn't difficult to understand at all. He didn't even give her an inkling of what he was about to do.
As for Kashi, it was more like she couldn't wait to say what was in her mind!
The timing made it look insensitive yes, but she had been trying to get through to her husband, share in his worries, help him for so long and now this decision of his would have totally shocked her hence her reaction!
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Posted: 6 years ago
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When history is presented as a daily soap the CVs are forced to deflect from the real story. Balaji's mistress and illegitimate son by her were a well kept secret. The scandal never broke out though it may have been spoken about in hushed tones. It was not customary to discuss such things openly among the family members and it is highly unlikely that Kashi freely expressed her opinion in the matter: She had no voice for as long as Radhabai held the reins, even Bhiu and Anu would have been cautious about sharing their views. 
So what we saw was a purely fictional incident when Kashi expressed her dissent over Rau forgiving his father. In those days providing for mistresses was a common practice and it was not extraordinary for a man to leave behind property for her upkeep. Bhikaji and his mother (her name is still unknown) were well provided for by Bajirao but there was no interaction between them and the women of the Peshwa family. The mistress kept such a low profile that most people did not even know about her existence.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: zaniax

Makers sole purpose is to justify Bajirao-Mastani's love story for which they'll show Kashi and others in a negative light. I do understand Kashi's insecurities however the timing to voice them was wrong. Btw did anyone notice tht both Bajirao and Mastani took difficult decisions for their parents well being? (Another deliberate move by CV's) 😡


I would understand Kashi voicing out her insecurities if she had an inkling her Rau was attracted to another woman. Nothing of that sort has happened but yet she starts setting rules for the future. The makers only want to show how Kashi will become an obsessed wife and torture Mastani 🤢
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: KrishnaPriyaa

One of the things that upset me about this show is the way they introduced Mastani too early, and spoilt Kashi's role. Kashi was said to be a strong, kind-hearted woman, who was as pati vrata as one can be. She accepted Mastani, and silently suffered. 

I am pretty sure they will turn Kashi into an angry, bitter wife, who is insecure and hates Mastani, resulting in Bajirao hating her 🤢


Exactly my point  Kashi is being portrayed as a weak woman just to glorify Mastani.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: prettypri

Good points!
I think the rest saw it as a choice between the mother and the father.. Clearly the father was wrong irrespective of his many virtues. Baji himself said his faith in relationships was gone.
But he forgave him as he was on his deathbed.
The rest didn't have to make that dreadful decision.. Because they were not called upon to do it.
As for Kashi, she looked so ignored and neglected at this crucial time in the household.. How many ever attempts she made to share the pain, she was rebuffed!
She was so sure that he would not be able to forgive that she over thought his reasons!
I think she was hurt that she couldn't read him at all.
But those dialigs of hers about betrayal went on too long.. She didn't get an answer to her questions so she concluded angrily that he was ok with what his father did!
What I don't like is that they seem to be suggesting that Baji is on the same wavelength as Mastani... They are similar, they feel and like same things, there is at least one scene where Mastani slow walks with seeming dignity in every episode etc!
It is unfair to do this as justification for what is to come!
Historically Mastani was married to his sword as a symbolic gesture and whether Baji loved her as shown in the movie itself is debatable!
Here he is so indifferent to his wife whom he has known for so long.. How will mastani suddenly heal him?
Whatever their intention, the affair can never be anything else!
Kashi shouldn't be vilified.. One who waits for any scrap of news about him wouldn't be as insensitive as she was shown yesterday.
They should take more care for sure!


Oh yes Balaji was wrong! But it was Baji's choice to forgive him or not. For Radhabai it was a wife who was wronged and no woman who values self respect the most would forgive her husband for this. Though she would compromise and live with the husband under the same roof for the sake of family and society but that trust was gone forever. For Baji, all he saw was an ailing father who desperately sought freedom from guilt in his dying moments and as a son he felt compelled to forgive him.

I agree with all ur points esp on Mastani. They just want to show how they both are suffering in their own private hell. For Mastani its her step mom and step brother and for Bajirao its his familial duties and a wife he is obliged to live with. I am so disgusted with makers right now, I have no words. I can see everyone here is miffed about Mastani track but how is it possible that in Twitter and FB it is being praised by majority? Why vilify Kashi to glorify Mastani?
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: prettypri

Also, I think one point jarred about the whole forgiveness scene..Baji declaring that he will accept the other lady as his mother and give her that position!

That was a little too much even for the situation!
Being responsible for the other family is one thing but this seemed like acceptance of the wrong itself.
I thought that triggered Kashi's response more than anything else!


Balaji only asked for the acceptance of his illegitimate children. But did he honestly ask Baji to accept the other woman as his mother? 😲 I will watch that scene again.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: amritat

Nice post, although I will respectfully disagree. 😊

First point - Why is Bajirao forgiving Balaji equivalant to betraying Radha Bai?

Ok, this might be a little complicated or out of place for a normal person and most would resonate with Baji and Anu Bai's view here. But take it from someone who has seen similar betrayal in her own family, when a woman's husband cheats on her, especially in the Indian society, it is not just painful but also extremely insulting. Although it is the man who cheats, the woman feels more shame.

In such a scenario, that 'shamed' and hurt woman clings on to the very first person who is closest to her - and in most cases, it is her children. When husband betrays, the child is all that is left to stay in the marriage for. In this whole incident, the wronged and isolated wife generally becomes possessive of her children and if not so, then atleast expects her children to stand up against their father, if need be. The last thing she wants is for her own offsprings to be compassionate towards the betrayal, the other woman or the love-child born from this affair.

I am not married myself, but I have seen someone very closely. So I feel Radha Bai's reaction was valid an d realistic, if not righteous. Ofcourse, there are some woman who can show a lot of large-heartedness, and accept the children of the sautan. But such women are rare. In most cases, women behave the way Radha Bai and Kashi did in yesterday's episode. So for that I will say, kudos to the CVs.

Now, one might say, in THAT era, women never opposed to such affairs. But if we judge the emotions of a human, keeping aside the age or era for a moment, then yes, Bajirao forgiving and accepting Balaji's mistress is extremely hurtful and insulting to Radha Bai. 😭I hope I could explain why...😊 I get what ur saying coz I have seen something very closely. A woman will never be able to forgive her husband for this betrayal. Yes the children become her only solace but it takes a great strength of character to raise ur kids in an unbiased manner and I have seen this happen too. I can understand Radhabai getting upset but one cannot ignore the fact that it was a dying man's last wish. No matter the differences between them, Balaji had been a loving father and an idol for his sons. Whether he deserved redemption or not he certainly deserved an opportunity to seek redemption.


Second - Why did Kashi behave like that?

The only issue I found with the scene was the timing. It is not appropriate for a daughter-in-law to argue on such matters when her FIL has just died. 

But apart from the timing, her words touched the right chord for me. Yes, Kashi was insecure. But honestly, I found nothing wrong with that. Kashi is far from being butchered yet. The timing was wrong here coz there is no other woman in Baji's life and it was weird that she assumed her husband would follow her father in law's footsteps 😕 And her proclaiming she won't tolerate is a subtle hint for seeing an insecure, jealous wife once Mastani enters the household.

Perhaps Kashi said those words, bcoz somewhere in her subconscious mind, she has understood that if Bajirao can condone his father's adultery and accept his mistress with an open mind, then he himself will not hesitate to do the same thing later on. That is why, she requests him not to betray her ever. Good point 👍🏼

So, I found nothing particularly clingy or villanous about Kashi here. She is a human and has her own insecurities. The only thing that was wrong was the timing. And ofcourse, in those days, I doubt a wife could have spoken so assertively to her husband. But nonetheless, her insecurity was valid.

Ofcourse Bajirao has his own reasons to forgive his father, and he is not wrong from his perspective. But neither are Radha Bai and Kashi, if one steps into their shoes.

Rest, I agree...😊 Thank you and enjoyed reading ur post too 😳


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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: prettypri

In fact, Radha Bai was very sure that Baji would not be able to even respect his father the same way, much less forgive him!

That's what she gave as the reason for keeping her pain a secret for so many years.
So what Baji did would definitely shock her. Her reaction isn't difficult to understand at all. He didn't even give her an inkling of what he was about to do.
As for Kashi, it was more like she couldn't wait to say what was in her mind!
The timing made it look insensitive yes, but she had been trying to get through to her husband, share in his worries, help him for so long and now this decision of his would have totally shocked her hence her reaction!


Yes that's a good explanation 😊 but Kashi's timing was horribly wrong.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: kahiliginger

When history is presented as a daily soap the CVs are forced to deflect from the real story. Balaji's mistress and illegitimate son by her were a well kept secret. The scandal never broke out though it may have been spoken about in hushed tones. It was not customary to discuss such things openly among the family members and it is highly unlikely that Kashi freely expressed her opinion in the matter: She had no voice for as long as Radhabai held the reins, even Bhiu and Anu would have been cautious about sharing their views. 

So what we saw was a purely fictional incident when Kashi expressed her dissent over Rau forgiving his father. In those days providing for mistresses was a common practice and it was not extraordinary for a man to leave behind property for her upkeep. Bhikaji and his mother (her name is still unknown) were well provided for by Bajirao but there was no interaction between them and the women of the Peshwa family. The mistress kept such a low profile that most people did not even know about her existence.


I enjoy reading ur posts 😊 It feels so practical given the times. Mistress never came out in the open and neither were her children though they were well cared for. But I did read somewhere that Bajirao took Bhikaji under his wing.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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That is right, Bhikaji grew up as Bhikaji Shinde. His brother Ranoji was not Balaji's offspring but Balaji provided for their mother as well as for both the boys. Children born to mistresses were cared for but could never be assimilated within the Peshwa family due to caste barriers. They were referred to as Lekaawala. This was also true of Mastani's son Shamsher Bahadur who was brought up in the Muslim faith.

 Mastani fans insist on calling her Bajirao's lawfully wedded wife but fail to make the connection- had she been considered a legitimate wife why would Shamsher not be brought up in his father's faith? If the legend about her origin is taken into account Mastani herself was born illegitimate and her mother was non-Hindu. Modern readers cannot grasp the fact that the basis to the Peshwa family's opposition to Mastani was the rigid caste structure of 18th century Maharashtra. 

Unlike the Rajputs of the North who took multiple wives and concubines from various castes the Peshwa men could never take non-Brahmin wives, even if they did the woman could never get the status of a licit Peshwa bahu. No matter how attached Bajirao was to Mastani he could never manage to shift this paradigm.

Bhikaji was given a position of some significance in Bajirao's army. His relation with Bajirao remained cordial during the latter's lifetime but not much is known about what happened to Bhikaji and his family thereafter. Official documents of the Peshwas rarely record details about illegitimate children and their issue.
Edited by kahiliginger - 6 years ago