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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: chachichampa

The main argument of pro Jallikatu people is that this helps keep the breed of bulls more visible and hence the breed will not die out.  So its to protect indigenous breeds according to them.   But why does a practice in which the bull have to be put through pain and torture have to be the way the breed is preserved.  They can have showcase competitions like dog shows where the best kept healthy bull wins which will also keep the interest for the bull alive.  People say that there is no torture to the animal but this is absolutely not true.  When the ban was implemented the Supreme Court looked at all the proof of the torture objectively and gave the ban decision.  Its not secret how bulls were starved, had chillies put in their eyes, had their tails twisted and broken to make them more aggressive.   It is no fun for a lone bull to be fighting off hundreds of people jumping on it aggressively.   South India has time and again gone against the Constitution and defied Supreme Court rulings on many matters.  Then why have a Supreme Court?  Just let anarchy rule.  

More than anything the timing of lifting this ban is telling.  There is a vacant power seat due to the death of Jayalalitha.  All politicians are trying to cash in and trying to be popular  because of the visibility this issue has gained.    Every political party is trying to get into the good books of people for votes alone.  

The ordinance to lift the ban should never have been passed.  It sets a wrong example about how unimportant the Supreme Court is.  Eventually there will be a law and order situation for anything that goes against the popular vote which can in many cases be wrong and ruled only for egos of certain people.

India is regressing to want such archaic animal abuse practices just in the name of tradition.  South India has the most horrific animal abuse practices carried out in the name of religion and it will take a strong political will to stop these nonsense traditions from raising their heads.   Elephant abuse, stray dog killings which really  in the long run serve no purpose against a properly implemented birth control system,  now this Jallikatu... just rampant animal abuse in the south.  Very disturbed and disappointed with the lift of the ban.  



 



Thanks for posting your POV .This is what most of the people in the nation think 

Do you know that ,the farmers here treat cows and bulls as a part of their family ?  Despite their poverty ,they spend over 70 percent of their income in their maintenance . 

And the bulls are not harmed in recent times .
The SC had passed a law back in 2008-2009 , imposing regulations on the game . The bulls shouldn't be intoxicated or troubled in any manner and officials are appointed to monitor the violation of the rules .

Most of the videos surfacing the internet regarding the cruelty of the game are fake /old . The officers have confirmed that nothing is going on ,against the law .So ,if the videos are true ,does this mean that these officials are lying and aren't doing their jobs properly ? You know who is to be questioned and blamed now ?

The bulls are capable of protecting themselves . The game barely lasts for two.minutes and it is made sure that they aren't hurt ( there have been exemptions )

Support from the political parties ? Haha ,you gotta be kidding 

The state government stayed mute for over 24 hours of the protest . The opposition ,which is trying to support now ,was actually once behind the ban during the Congress' rule .  

Do you know what will happen in future ? We will soon lose our self sufficiency in producing our dairy products . MNCs are already thriving here . Our farmers struggle to get water for agriculture from our own river while Pepsi was able to strike a deal with the government to get water at a subsidised price .

Please don't believe everything that is said in the media . The so called national media didn't even cover the news .They did the same during the Chennai floods . I know protestors who tried to speak.against the Corporates and the deals made between them and our politicians .They were instantly shunned by the reporter and weren't properly covered.


Try to look into the matter . millions don't protest for something just because it is a tradition


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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: 09tanki


its unfair to target 1 tradition.

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Ranyaa

They are trying to preserve Tamil culture? how? Seriously its ridiculous 


Do you know why the tradition is practised  ? 

Millions aren't protesting just because it is a tradition .Try searching the role of MNCs behind this .Try googling A2 and A1 quality milk.

Don't believe everything said by the media
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Posted: 7 years ago
Okay First of all, no offence to Tamil people for my comment.

What I have observed Tamilians are too sensitive when it comes to cultural things. their language, state, political figures, other state specific tradition. One can make any issue on these topics. No logic will be applied. pure emotions. Jallikattu is a tradition. SC tried to force people take safety measures prior to 2013 but nobody paid any attention to that. After that SC banned it


Bulls and men lost their lives in this game. If they were so serious about this tradition, why didn't they take the safety measures? There wud not have been any ban if they have taken the corrective measures.


Take the safety measures and court will allow it back. Or shud Govt and Court let the people and Bulls die?


I do think it is correct time for SC to force the organisers to take proper safety measures. A genuine effort shud be made by both the sides. Logic and emotions both shud be taken in the account rather than running high on emotions. 
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: JustMySelf

i feel the ban is biased..
if cruelty against animal is the main issue
then we should ban eating chicken mutton
turkey (during Thanks Giving) fish cow
rabbits snakes octopus cockroaches (eaten by Chinese ppl)
n stop using all leather products..we must nt use snake venoms too
then used as medicines n antidotes..no experiments on lab animals
should be permitted too..we must nt have oaster sauce
nt wear pearls nor wear silk as silkworms are killed..nor eat eggs too..
we must nt have milk as baby cow is denied its milk from mother cow..
so no ghee no paneer no butter cheese no diary product we must have..
we should nt wear woolen cloths furs n we should die in icy winters..
as every sheep is reared off its last wool..to keep us warm..oh yes  we must nt
have honey too..we keep them in captivity against their wish am sure..
n we should let every animal to multiply in lakhs so we should find
multiple habitable planets as soon all animals if they live their full age
should be able to outnumber humans  in a decade 😆

bt then over riding the SC is another tale of  epic disaster ..
soon every community will ape this n try reverse judgement
there will be more lawlessness everywhere..
if Jalikatu is allowed with tweaked regulations then triple talaq ban
should also be never be forced on Muslims as they have as much right to
hold on to "their years of rights to traditional practice n religious freedom"
as the Tamilians..also Gay rights will never see their freedom ever then as
then this same way ppl who always bat for traditional ways will never allow
such "irreligious practice"

in short with jalikatu ban revoked many more legal rights will remain
infringed throttled in the sacrificial fire of "traditional rights n ethics"
n India will be the land of the barbarians with its rigid mentality..
intolerance in the name of "religious n traditional rights"


This is not the first time SC's orders have been over rid .

For instance , a state denied to release water from the dam to another state despite the SC ordering to do so .

Babri Masjid was demolished against the SC's order (If I am right )

I know ,it is wrong to go against the SC's order .But the protests are purely constitutional . We are just exercising our rights .

We don't have a choice .This was our last resort 
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: chachichampa


Rooster fights ARE banned.  If they are carried out they are illegal and culprits can be booked by law.  Traditions have to be changed with the times.  New sensibilities come with new knowledge and more education.  There is nothing with not helping the farmers with this issue.  No economic rewards will go to farmers for this except whatever illegal betting would be going on.  There is just no real purpose to Jallikatu. 

I don want to believe thet are banned for now ...actions ? Its definitely varies state to state ðŸ˜†...If we started to find real purpose with our NEW sensiblities and MORE education ...I think we ve to change d whole country 😆...and for that rules should be unbiased ...y to target only one state...😭 Edited by -sevenstreaks- - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: malar


This is not the first time SC's orders have been over rid .

For instance , a state denied to release water from the dam to another state despite the SC ordering to do so .

Babri Masjid was demolished against the SC's order (If I am right )

I know ,it is wrong to go against the SC's order .But the protests are purely constitutional . We are just exercising our rights .

We don't have a choice .This was our last resort 

U forgot the most infamous case- Shah Bano case where Rajiv Gandhi brought a law to override SC's order on Muslim Women's rights.
and there were no orders on Babri Masjid. that case is still pending in SC after Allahabad HC's judgement.
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Posted: 7 years ago
Not trying to be offensive but can anyone clearly tell me about Jallikattu as to the basics of what is it ??and what do they do ?? never heard about it before .
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: angrybread

Not trying to be offensive but can anyone clearly tell me about Jallikattu as to the basics of what is it ??and what do they do ?? never heard about it before .

Jallikattu (or Sallikkattu), also known as Eru thazhuvuthal and Manju virattu, is a traditional sport in which a Bos indicus bull is released into a crowd of people. Multiple human participants attempt to grab and tightly "hug" the large hump of the bull and hang on to it while the bull attempts to escape. Participants hug the hump for as long as possible, attempting to bring the bull to a stop. In some cases, participants must ride long enough to remove flags affixed to the bull's horns. [2][3]

Jallikattu is typically practiced in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu as a part of Pongal celebrations on Mattu Pongal day.


Jallikattu has been known to be practiced during the Tamil classical period (400-100 BC).[1][6] It was common among the ancient people Aayars who lived in the Mullai' geographical division of the ancient Tamil country.[7][4] Later, it became a platform for display of bravery and prize money was introduced for participation encouragement. A seal from the Indus Valley Civilization depicting the practice is preserved in the National Museum, New Delhi.[8] A cave painting in white kaolin discovered near Madurai depicting a lone man trying to control a bull is estimated to be about 2,500 years old.[9]


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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: angrybread

Not trying to be offensive but can anyone clearly tell me about Jallikattu as to the basics of what is it ??and what do they do ?? never heard about it before .

 It is a bull taming sport held on second or third day of Pongal ( Makar Sankranti) where a bull is released in a ground and the participants have to hold it by hump ( bare hands) for a distance of 15feet or  about a minute , whichever is longer.