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Posted: 9 years ago
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@ Priakahan.
Ok If I get you correctly all the points that you have raised in your POV boils down to Nanadani being afraid of Maniks anger which does not allow her to be completely open with him about all her worries and issues and thus her relationship with Manik was a romantic one mostly and very little to do with. firendship! Right?

Sorry but I totally disagree with you here. Unless we are talking about different shows here, S1 clearly made a very distinctive and bold point with regards to Nanadani being the ONLY person who is NOT afraid of Manik's anger and who can always talk sensibly with Manik and make him listen to reason.
And this point was reiterated again and again through out S1 till the very end.

Which is why her failure to tell Manick about the truth of Aryaman being Soha's brother for so long in the last part of S1 was so out of character and frustrating.

Actually both Nandani and Manick were clearly shown sharing all their concerns with each other at total ease from the time since he knew about Cabir being gay. Infact both equally shared their problems with each other MORE than anyone else.

They were very clearly shown as each others BFFs with even Manik putting Nanadani as the one who he shared all his concerns with even way more than his so called family, Fab5.
Edited by SheAish - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Amazing post!

The writers need to see this. They need to understand Nandini's character.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: SheAish

@ Priakahan.

Ok If I get you correctly all the points that you have raised in your POV boils down to Nanadani being afraid of Maniks anger which does not allow her to be completely open with him about all her worries and issues and thus her relationship with Manik was a romantic one mostly and very little to do with. firendship! Right?

Sorry but I totally disagree with you here. Unless we are talking about different shows here, S1 clearly made a very distinctive and bold point with regards to Nanadani being the ONLY person who is NOT afraid of Manik's anger and who can always talk sensibly with Manik and make him listen to reason.
And this point was reiterated again and again through out S1 till the very end.

Which is why her failure to tell Manick about the truth of Aryaman being Soha's brother for so long in the last part of S1 was so out of character and frustrating.

Actually both Nandani and Manick were clearly shown sharing all their concerns with each other at total ease from the time since he knew about Cabir being gay. Infact both equally shared their problems with each other MORE than anyone else.

They were very clearly shown as each others BFFs with even Manik putting Nanadani as the one who he shared all his concerns with even way more than his so called family, Fab5.


Yaar...I didn't say that they were not friends or that they didn't share problems. Manik always shared his problems with Nandini. But Nandini hid a lot from Manik...like the point where Nandini was being harassed by Pandit..she hid that part from Manik. If the concerned Manik didn't go after Nandini...he wouldn't have gotten doubts. Same with regard to the way she hid first the truth of Kabir...and somehow she mustered up courage later on to tell Manik about it. They were sharing their concerns like friends but there are some points on which Nandini is afraid to speak to Manik about. The reason why Manik asked Nandini once if she even trusted him and that part came after their friendship thing started.

Nandini trusted Manik as to the fact that he will be a loyal person, she can depend on him, trust him as to save her life if she is in danger. But Nandini is and was always scared of Manik's moods. We must not forget that even though there is a friendship track...Nandini sees the boyfriend in Manik whose face gets irritated when Aryaman is passing the karela to Nandini by neck. Nandini sees his expression and she takes a step backwards. Aryaman realized it and hence he himself backed off.

Manik is a moody character as in his anger which is like a volcano cannot be trusted. He acts on impulse many times. For eg: the point where he spoke to Nandini that he will take care of himself and if Nandini had not arrived...Soha would've done something that night!😆

Same with the case of Pandit...if his friends had not arrived Manik may have killed him and same with the case of Harshad too. Manik has this anger in him. Nandini cannot completely share her concerns on certain things atleast with Manik. She will first go and say it to another friend...this has happened many times before as in with Kabir, Abhimanyu, Navya. For eg: even now...Nandini went and spoke to Navya about Aryaman. But Nandini prefers not to discuss Aryaman with Manik...as she knows how he'll react.

As friends they did share concerns which wouldn't affect their relationship. For eg: Kabir's issue, Mukti's issue, Dhruv's issue. But then...when it comes to Aryaman...Nandini was scared...when it comes to Maddy...Nandini is scared. She tries to change topic because she knows that she will anger Manik. But if she speaks of Aryaman with Navya or speaks of Maddy with Aryaman she knows that it won't be as huge an explosive reaction. That's why I spoke of the varied kind of friendship Nandini shares with others. 😳
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: SheAish

Manan love story was not an ordinary, everyday, "realistic" love story. We were fed a steady diet of a unique fairy tale type, intense love story and thus these so called realistic explanations about no problem with Nandani having a BFF after what she had with Manik, specially after just mere four months since his death is 'unrealistic' and ofcourse would not be taken very well by the fandom.


The kind of all encompassing love story they had and specially Nandani who never had any kind of Bff type friends before Manik, does not leave room for Nandani to have a Bff so soon after Maniks dissappearance.

Manan story was not just a love story but a great and deep friendship too. She might have taken support and help from Aryaman to some extent during the past four months, but still the fact they showed her being so depressed and missing Manik to the level that she was hallucinating him does not at all mesh with her replacing or moving on even in terms of a that kind of close friendship with anyone that soon.

And neither was it even shown in S2 at all. Sure she was shown to going that route to some extent, but then with the return of Parth they have changed it to showcase her depression and inability to move on, so even in that sense it is hard to take this suddenly BFF thing they seem intent in throwing at our faces.

I'm sure we all would have had the same problem with Manik if they had show him getting another new Bff within four months after Nandani is shown dead or have dissappeared.
After the kind of story they showed between Manan it is not unreasonable to expect fans to not want Manan to move on in any aspect of their relationship even in 4 years time let alone a mere four months. 😡

No one asked them to do a continuation of S1 with the same characters. They could have used Yariayaan as a brandname and shown a different story, But after getting fans invested in a fairytale and unrealistic love story, they can't suddenly expect fans to switch off the Manan of S1 in their minds and infuse reality in discussing and understanding what they are currently showing.

THIS! All of it👏
I've been saying it since Day 1! MaNan is a fairytale and I refuse to allow anything that spoils this fairytale!
Plus Manik is Nandini's BFF n vice verse! Again I refuse to believe Nandini when she says that she and Manik were never friends and that Arya is her BFF!! After all that has been sold in S1! Theirs was a perfect relationship that grew beautifully n healthily with time!

I have nothing more to add as you have said it all! Arya can be a friend, a good friend, a great friend(although he is no more a friend since love feelings have crept in from his side). But he can never be Nandini's BFF! Even if he ever does, he comes after Manik!

Edited by shibz - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@ Priakachan,
Nandani was NEVER AFRAID of Maniks anger and I'm sorry but you can't convince me on this so lets just agree to disagree here.😛

Yes Nandani and even Manik sometimes held back from revealing some stuff to each other in earlier part of their relationship. But it was their misplaced sense of protecting not worrying each other about things they consider unnecessary that led to these things.

And Nanadani didn't tell Manik about Pandit because she was not sure about his intentions until the night of fusion concert when she directly confronted him and earlier she kept her vague intuitions about Pandit to herself because she had a vested interest in performing with Manik at any cost so didn't want to jeopardize that when she herself didn't really believe anything bad about Pandit.

The fact is that even if they kept some things from each other, the point is that neither did they share that with anybody else either. They both consider each other as the only person they would discuss regarding their problems and never held anybody else above each other in that respect.

Also yes, Manik shared more of his problems because Manik comes from a problematic family and all his friends are the same, but Nandani never was shown to haIve many such problems in life which is why they fit and complement each other so well...

I guess we will go in circles here, so let me just say that the way I saw Ky2 S1, the deep understanding and friendship between Manan was as much a part of their relationship as was romance and passion.

And suddenly Nandani being afraid of Maniks anger in trying to talk about Maddy or Aryaman is just BS after a whole year of the Manan we were fed with.
Sorry but just can't buy this Aryaman bff thing or Nandani being afraid of Maniks anger even for a second.

I would rather stop watching the show than see the cvs dilute Manan to such an extent.

Even toning down Manan romance and lack of nuances in showcasing their romance is acceptable to me, but Aryaman or anyone else taking an equal importance as a bff like what Manik was shown in S1 is not accepable to me.

Edited by SheAish - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: SheAish

@ Priakachan,

Nandani was NEVER AFRAID of Maniks anger and I'm sorry but you can't convince me on this so lets just agree to disagree here.😛

Yes Nandani and even Manik sometimes held back from revealing some stuff to each other in earlier part of their relationship. But it was their misplaced sense of protecting not worrying each other about things they consider unnecessary that led to these things.

And Nanadani didn't tell Manik about Pandit because she was not sure about his intentions until the night of fusion concert when she directly confronted him and earlier she kept her vague intuitions about Pandit to herself because she had a vested interest in performing with Manik at any cost so didn't want to jeopardize that when she herself didn't really believe anything bad about Pandit.

The fact is that even if they kept some things from each other, the point is that neither did they share that with anybody else either. They both consider each other as the only person they would discuss regarding their problems and never held anybody else above each other in that respect.

Also yes, Manik shared more of his problems because Manik comes from a problematic family and all his friends are the same, but Nandani never was shown to haIve many such problems in life which is why they fit and complement each other so well...

I guess we will go in circles here, so let me just say that the way I saw Ky2 S1, the deep understanding and friendship between Manan was as much a part of their relationship as was romance and passion.


Ok...I still will say that Nandini is afraid of Manik's anger. Watch the way she tries to talk to Manik of Maddy...and pauses the moment Manik says I will deal with this my way. She cannot say any further. Ok...anyways let's not go around in circles. But I still will say that the subtle changes in the friendship Nandini has is clear at many points. I still agree on this that Manik and Nandini had a different kind of friendship in Season 1. I too love their friendship over there. But the reason why CVs are showing Aryaman close to Nandini now...I was trying to put forth a logical reason for it. Maybe the CVs mean to show something else...😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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^^ I edited my post so my answer is there for the points you have raised. 😆
And I see that you too agree that Manan of S1 did have a deep friendship feel to it which now they are trying to dilute for the sake of Aryaman.

This is my main issue. Aryaman being a friend to her is fine, just don't equate it or even try to equate it with what Nanadani had with Manik bas!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: SheAish

^^ I edited my post so my answer is there for the points you have raised. 😆

And I see that you too agree that Manan of S1 did have a deep friendship feel to it which now they are trying to dilute for the sake of Aryaman.

This is my main issue. Aryaman being a friend to her is fine, just don't equate it or even try to equate it with what Nanadani had with Manik bas!


No yaar..not equating. Equating means putting = sign. I cannot put that for relationships. All relationships are on different ranges. That's why I stated various friendships before. I cannot say Manik-Nandu friendship and Aryaman-Nandini friendship has same intensity. It's just that both have different levels. U can't compare water with juice, can U? Both have their own properties!😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Sorry to barge in, but wanted to share my views regarding this thing. I think priakachan view. Nandini understands manik thats why she knows manik anger too better than anyone else. Aryaman is a calm friend with whom she think she think she can share without fearing a volcano eruption of temper like manik. Yeah nandini trusts manik there is no doubt about that, but in a relationship few matters are delicate, and may complicate things if not dealt with care. Arya feeling neglected is somewhat understandable as earlier nandini was all alone and he was her shoulder. But he too needs to understand that now nandini first priority is someone else, whether he likes it or not. Same goes for manik, he needs to overcome his jealousy(which i think given manik possessive nature is really hard). But here i would place a a bit of fault on nandu too, as it is her place to talk abt this to manik clearly and make him understand. Nandini will need to balance.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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^^ @Priakachan
Juice has water in it already. So they can't give us a glass of juice and ask us to pretend its just water all of a sudden either. 😛
Sorry dear I have to sign off now, but it was lovely chatting with you all here.


And CVS just stop this Aryaman being Nandani's bff thing...

Manik was, is, and will be Nanadani's best friend and vice versa...

And for gods sake just sit down and watch Manan of S1 before you guys drive off half the fans away slowly with this Aryaman BS.

Don't even care if he is turned negative as long as Manan is kept from being diluted to this level.


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