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_Angie_

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Posted: 10 years ago

#261

Originally posted by: Druids

If the electorate were so keen on development alone, I bet there wouldn't be such a backlash against the LA Bill.

The elected representatives were trying to short change the land owners. Had their been no backlash the amendments that are being considered now wouldnt have been there. Goes to show that you cannot have blind faith in the elected representatives.

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@K.Universe.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#262

Originally posted by: _Angie_

I dont make a living by killing animals so would be easy for me to pass a judgement on it being wrong but for a person born into a butcher's family it might be the only viable occupation. If compassion is what made the govt pass such a ban it should have also showered some fraction of that compassion towards the human being whose livelihood was snatched and offered an alternative occupation. Why do you think its easier to show compassion for animals who cannot express their views than towards human beings who may hold contrary views! If cattle could speak or vote they may not have volunteered to be used as the beasts of burden or share their milk with human owners for these many years! There is no compensation.

Same goes for prohibition. it is in force in some states and not in some others. Some states have a limitation on the sale of alcohol. Affects manufacturers, distributors, retail sellers...

What is important to understand is that the governments are capable of such enforcements, in their own infinite wisdom, for reasons best known to them. We could argue about the merits and demerits of such decisions but ultimately we can only elect people who we believe represent our best interests.

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@K.Universe.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#263

Originally posted by: _Angie_
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If cattle could speak or vote they may not have volunteered to be used as the beasts of burden or share their milk with human owners for these many years! There is no compensation.

Agreed, but we have to start somewhere...

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_Angie_

@_Angie_

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Posted: 10 years ago

#264

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Same goes for prohibition. it is in force in some states and not in some others. Some states have a limitation on the sale of alcohol. Affects manufacturers, distributors, retail sellers...

What is important to understand is that the governments are capable of such enforcements, in their own infinite wisdom, for reasons best known to them. We could argue about the merits and demerits of such decisions but ultimately we can only elect people who we believe represent our best interests.

I am sorry I dont share this respect for the govts capability towards enforcement nor for their wisdom. If they had the capabilty to enforce laws they would have fulfilled the multiple pre-election promises they made. Its either that or a lack of intent to implement them. either way it does not show them in good light. As far as wisdom is concerned they should take all possible steps to increase the unity in the country and strengthen it than engage in divisive tactics. Improving relations with neighbours and neglecting the citizens within can prove detrimental to the nation as an internal enemy is always more dangerous than the external.

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AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#265

@K Govt has very limited wisdom because it consists of a limited number of individuals with human frailties and prejudices and human intelligence. It cannot hope to even match up to the collective wisdom of the populace.

In fact I would even go so far as to say any development that has happened in India has been IN SPITE OF the government.

In addition, one of the major hindrances to prosperity in the subcontinent has been the acceptance of the superiority of Authority. When Authority speaks, it is taken as Voice from the Heavens.

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_Angie_

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Posted: 10 years ago

#266

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Agreed, but we have to start somewhere...

then it should be started with the human beings first as there would be enough challenges there. The rest will be easy 😆

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@K.Universe.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#267

Originally posted by: AnuMP
@K Govt has very limited wisdom because it consists of a limited number of individuals with human frailties and prejudices and human intelligence. It cannot hope to even match up to the collective wisdom of the populace.
In fact I would even go so far as to say any development that has happened in India has been IN SPITE OF the government.

In addition, one of the major hindrances to prosperity in the subcontinent has been the acceptance of the superiority of Authority. When Authority speaks, it is taken as Voice from the Heavens.

On paper, the process works, It's a question of finding quality candidates.

People have varying priorities and agendas when electing representatives. One single representative might not promise everything; you only vote if the person standing in elections is meeting at least a few of your criteria.

If beef ban figures prominently in your agenda, you should only vote for the person who is willing to rescind the law. But there is no guarantee that this person will legalize, say, same-sex marriage or oppose it.

Like I said, we can't find all we want in one person or in one party.

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 10 years ago

#268

Originally posted by: souro

I'd also add safe clean environment is part of prosperity. You cannot be prosperous if people are diseased and dying. You have to balance all necessities to what hopefully will work best.

Also carrion and putrefaction in the Ganges as a result of religious rites is also a danger to society. Sometimes religion has to conform to sensibilities.

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souro

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Posted: 10 years ago

#269

Originally posted by: AnuMP
It cannot hope to even match up to the collective wisdom of the populace.
In fact I would even go so far as to say any development that has happened in India has been IN SPITE OF the government.

I will agree to the latter but not the former. Yes, in India a large part of the development has been due to the people and their efforts, and govt's contribution in that is not to the level one would desire.

However, I won't agree that the collective wisdom of the population is better than the wisdom of a few people. It entirely depends on the wisdom of the majority of the population and the wisdom of those few people who are leading. If the leaders are like Lalu Prasad Yadav and his cronies, I guess even a 10 year old can have better ideas than them for the betterment of the society. But if the leaders are genuinely good, then their ideas can actually be better than the collective ideas of the population, especially if the population is like that of India where half of them are not even properly educated. Moreover, if we try to balance the wisdom of the whole population, it will be all over the place, pulling in different directions. Hardly beneficial at all.

Originally posted by: AnuMP
In addition, one of the major hindrances to prosperity in the subcontinent has been the acceptance of the superiority of Authority. When Authority speaks, it is taken as Voice from the Heavens.

Actually no. The major hindrance in India's progress is wrong leaders and lack of clear vision, direction and will. And it's democracy which is responsible for choosing those wrong leaders. I believe that Western form of democracy is not suitable for a country like India. It's a country where majority are uneducated. The crooks exploit the gullibility of the masses and gain majority votes because of the uneducated folks; the minority educated people remained helpless in all this. As the proportion of the educated in the population increases, I believe we will see people showing more discernment in choosing their leader.

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BirdieNumNum

@CuckooCutter7

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Posted: 10 years ago

#270

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

The first reason you gave is circular - "we can't compare humans and animals because we are humans".

In the second reason, the "us" is too broadly defined. My family is not your family so you are not one of us. My state is not your state so you are not one of us. My country is not yours so you are not one of us. There is no limit to segregation in which case exploitation of anyone who is not "us" should be acceptable.

great post! You're sounding as smart as yours truly😆

the second para is awesome😊

to those crying hoarse against slaughtering cows in India on grounds that it is religiously motivated, well isn't the practice of halal slaughter also faith-based? Even when it comes to revolting medieval slaughter techniques, societies have found a way to accommodate religious feelings. So what's wrong if religion is invoked to ban the slaughter of cows.. Talking of halal, cant these guys at least go with stunning animals before slaughter?

personally i cant be bothered what someone's motive is for imposing the ban. Different people probably have different reasons, from cynical to noble... I just want to see if it makes sense and on that score, i feel it does... for reasons of health, compassion, reverence for an animal that plays such an important part in so many households as to even have a name.. On the other side, the only argument seems to be personal choice... a choice that makes someone beefy and stupid. It's a no-contest as far as i am concerned..

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