why does zaroon love kashaf? - Page 5

Originally posted by: anobserver

An interesting thread with some lovely discussion. I will come back when I have read the other posts too.

I just chanced on your post, RockChicGirl, and had to comment on the part (in bold above). Does Zaroon admire Kashaf because she has no male friends?

It's not that Kashaf does not have male friends. Well, she has at least one -- Osama. And Zaroon is aware of that. He is also aware of the fact that Osama and Kashaf keep in touch with each other, albeit irregularly. Yet, he admires and respects Kashaf's character and values. So, it is not the fact that she does not have male friend(s), but the fact that she still conducts her relations with her male friends or colleagues in a manner that would not give rise to "comments" from others in society or from family members.

I agree with your views re compromise. The importance of compromise has been underscored for Zaroon through Sara's failed first marriage and Zaroon's parents' marriage.

Originally posted by: anobserver

An interesting thread with some lovely discussion. I will come back when I have read the other posts too.

I just chanced on your post, RockChicGirl, and had to comment on the part (in bold above). Does Zaroon admire Kashaf because she has no male friends?

It's not that Kashaf does not have male friends. Well, she has at least one -- Osama. And Zaroon is aware of that. He is also aware of the fact that Osama and Kashaf keep in touch with each other, albeit irregularly. Yet, he admires and respects Kashaf's character and values. So, it is not the fact that she does not have male friend(s), but the fact that she still conducts her relations with her male friends or colleagues in a manner that would not give rise to "comments" from others in society or from family members.

I agree with your views re compromise. The importance of compromise has been underscored for Zaroon through Sara's failed first marriage and Zaroon's parents' marriage.

Originally posted by: nevah_mind

i hear ya, mate! it made no sense. The only thing that I could see in it was that she was still conservative in her dressing sense and not staying out late or hanging out with guys, and that's what made him think that she has the qualities of an ideal wife.

He knew nothing about her relationship with her father, how much of a toll it took on her stance that she never wanted to get married because she didn't trust men, and they never took this to a conclusive end either.

Also my other grouse is that every one is making Zaroon's mother the villian of everything bad in that house. In the beginning they showed her as a mother who was anxiously waiting to know of his admission results. They mentioned how he used to always do well, because she was behind the children all the time. She was concerned about Sara's rash driving and therefore didn't allow her to drive. And now suddenly she has become this very bad negligent mother who never gave her children time and had her own life.

To me both these issues, of Zarroon wanting to marry Kashaf, and Gazala being a negligent mother, is an outcome of stereotypes, after I read a lot about this on review sites of Pak serials, Rich family mother-NGO-no time for kids. Jean clad girl, too liberal to make a good wife. Dupatta clad girls, hard working, make the best wives. Poor family mother, very hard working, wronged by everyone, good mother who brings up children well.

If you notice, now Sara has given up her jeans and "modern look" too.

As the episodes progress, I also just don't get Kashaf agreeing to marry Zaroon when she had such issues about him, believed he hadn't changed at all, and also when she still had such strong feelings about not getting married. I would have accepted it, if they spent some more time on developing that part, so that it would culminate neatly into her getting convinced to marry him

Originally posted by: starstruckk

Kashaf was always a part of Zaroon's subconscious mind from the time they first got to know each other. She's different...and even more so for Zaroon. Zaroon is shown as this typical rich, liberal, upper class guy who is used to females swooning over him left, right and center. Then suddenly, here comes this girl who doesn't give two cents about Zaroon, plays hard to get (something he's not used to at all)... who doesn't crave his attention despite him even trying, someone who's intelligent, headstrong, ambitious, traditional, and most of all someone who'd fit the bill as HIS ideal life partner.

All of these things were evident even without Zaroon knowing about Kashaf's past or her struggles in life. A lot of their interactions had nuances in them which depict a whole lot about Kashaf's personality. For instance, that night when she throws a fit when Zaroon's taking her home past midnight. Zaroon could've made so many conclusions about Kashaf's character (and the fact that he's shown as this intelligent person, he tries concluding more than what meets the eye). Apart from the fact that she came across as rude..she mentioned how a guy driving home a girl past midnight would not be feasible in a neighborhood where she comes from...to which Zaroon even reacts with a W-T-F reaction? He goes on to say this is completely normal in Karachi for a guy and a girl. That said so much about both their characters. Firstly, how Kashaf has certain rules that she abides by...that not only shows her character but possibly her mother's as well. And, it's nothing far fetched. In places like India and Pakistan..there are certain areas where you can't just randomly have a guy drop you off past midnight at your doorstep. Here, Kashaf acknowledges that..and something like that could possibly become a taunt for her mother the next day. Compare that to how Sara and Zaroon's mother are..to what Zaroon is used to seeing...it made a difference in Zaroon's head. Secondly, that scene also showed how Zaroon was rather surprised to learn that someone in today's time and age could actually still think like Kashaf. He was kind of oblivious to many things that he discovered in Kashaf. His interactions with Kashaf were revelations..and slowly, they started becoming his benchmark because subconsciously he always wanted those qualities in his partner. That's how he slowly started pushing Asmara away..he started comparing Asmara to the new benchmark he had found in Kashaf. It all goes back to what I was saying..she IS different, in particularly to Zaroon.

You don't need to get a detailed life story about someone to make conclusions about their personality. This is how we are in real life as well. We tend to infer a whole lot with the help of subtle details. Another instance was when they both had that heated argument in the library. Someone went and complained to the higher authorities at their school..and the first thing Asmara said was it must have been Kashaf. And, Zaroon actually defends her and goes..but how? she hasn't even been in school for the past few days. Asmara still blames her..and then when they both come face to face in front of Sir Abrar, Kashaf doesn't rat him out at all. She actually goes on to say that she has no problem with Zaroon. If you guys noticed..there you could see that Zaroon was in slight disbelief. Kashaf could've easily told Sir Abrar what Zaroon was trying to do with her..and she had every right to...but she didn't. If it was Asmara or perhaps anyone else..they may have thrown a fit..but Kashaf didn't. That speaks volumes about Kashaf's personality. Zaroon never took her indifference to him or her rudeness at face value as a reflection of her entire personality. He went a little deeper than that.

Not to mention, they did spend 2 years in university together..and the writer always showed how Kashaf was on Zaroon's subconscious mind. His electronic diary is filled with Kashaf. Kashaf's diary is filled with Zaroon as well..but not as much as Zaroon's is. Zaroon always admired Kashaf..but his ego never allowed him to acknowledge that in front of her or his group of friends. Yes, he's hypocritical and a chauvinist but then Zaroon has his own internal demons just like Kashaf. He never got attention from his parents the way he would've liked to as a child. His mother was always too concerned about the worldly affairs to pay attention to raising him and Sara. So, in the back of his mind..if he were to start a family..it would be different than what he has been used to seeing.

I personally do think he always LIKED her. As I said, he just never could come in terms with it. Once they actually meet again after a few years..he realizes Kashaf's still the same..and how he still admires her for the qualities that she once had. That admiration is enough for him to ask her to marry him. Everyone has their checklist of things they'd like their life partner to have. For Zaroon, Kashaf has whatever he wants and needs...and that's enough. For those who ask why would Kashaf say yes to him? I feel Kashaf subconsciously always had Zaroon in her mind as well. Furthermore, she says yes to his proposal later for her owns reasons..granted it may come across as silly..but that infamous "chai ka cup" reason was enough for her to say yes..but I always believed she had a soft spot for Zaroon..she just never acknowledged it till later. Of course what he did to her in the middle didn't help.

Originally posted by: starstruckk

Kashaf was always a part of Zaroon's subconscious mind from the time they first got to know each other. She's different...and even more so for Zaroon. Zaroon is shown as this typical rich, liberal, upper class guy who is used to females swooning over him left, right and center. Then suddenly, here comes this girl who doesn't give two cents about Zaroon, plays hard to get (something he's not used to at all)... who doesn't crave his attention despite him even trying, someone who's intelligent, headstrong, ambitious, traditional, and most of all someone who'd fit the bill as HIS ideal life partner.

All of these things were evident even without Zaroon knowing about Kashaf's past or her struggles in life. A lot of their interactions had nuances in them which depict a whole lot about Kashaf's personality. For instance, that night when she throws a fit when Zaroon's taking her home past midnight. Zaroon could've made so many conclusions about Kashaf's character (and the fact that he's shown as this intelligent person, he tries concluding more than what meets the eye). Apart from the fact that she came across as rude..she mentioned how a guy driving home a girl past midnight would not be feasible in a neighborhood where she comes from...to which Zaroon even reacts with a W-T-F reaction? He goes on to say this is completely normal in Karachi for a guy and a girl. That said so much about both their characters. Firstly, how Kashaf has certain rules that she abides by...that not only shows her character but possibly her mother's as well. And, it's nothing far fetched. In places like India and Pakistan..there are certain areas where you can't just randomly have a guy drop you off past midnight at your doorstep. Here, Kashaf acknowledges that..and something like that could possibly become a taunt for her mother the next day. Compare that to how Sara and Zaroon's mother are..to what Zaroon is used to seeing...it made a difference in Zaroon's head. Secondly, that scene also showed how Zaroon was rather surprised to learn that someone in today's time and age could actually still think like Kashaf. He was kind of oblivious to many things that he discovered in Kashaf. His interactions with Kashaf were revelations..and slowly, they started becoming his benchmark because subconsciously he always wanted those qualities in his partner. That's how he slowly started pushing Asmara away..he started comparing Asmara to the new benchmark he had found in Kashaf. It all goes back to what I was saying..she IS different, in particularly to Zaroon.

You don't need to get a detailed life story about someone to make conclusions about their personality. This is how we are in real life as well. We tend to infer a whole lot with the help of subtle details. Another instance was when they both had that heated argument in the library. Someone went and complained to the higher authorities at their school..and the first thing Asmara said was it must have been Kashaf. And, Zaroon actually defends her and goes..but how? she hasn't even been in school for the past few days. Asmara still blames her..and then when they both come face to face in front of Sir Abrar, Kashaf doesn't rat him out at all. She actually goes on to say that she has no problem with Zaroon. If you guys noticed..there you could see that Zaroon was in slight disbelief. Kashaf could've easily told Sir Abrar what Zaroon was trying to do with her..and she had every right to...but she didn't. If it was Asmara or perhaps anyone else..they may have thrown a fit..but Kashaf didn't. That speaks volumes about Kashaf's personality. Zaroon never took her indifference to him or her rudeness at face value as a reflection of her entire personality. He went a little deeper than that.

Not to mention, they did spend 2 years in university together..and the writer always showed how Kashaf was on Zaroon's subconscious mind. His electronic diary is filled with Kashaf. Kashaf's diary is filled with Zaroon as well..but not as much as Zaroon's is. Zaroon always admired Kashaf..but his ego never allowed him to acknowledge that in front of her or his group of friends. Yes, he's hypocritical and a chauvinist but then Zaroon has his own internal demons just like Kashaf. He never got attention from his parents the way he would've liked to as a child. His mother was always too concerned about the worldly affairs to pay attention to raising him and Sara. So, in the back of his mind..if he were to start a family..it would be different than what he has been used to seeing.

I personally do think he always LIKED her. As I said, he just never could come in terms with it. Once they actually meet again after a few years..he realizes Kashaf's still the same..and how he still admires her for the qualities that she once had. That admiration is enough for him to ask her to marry him. Everyone has their checklist of things they'd like their life partner to have. For Zaroon, Kashaf has whatever he wants and needs...and that's enough. For those who ask why would Kashaf say yes to him? I feel Kashaf subconsciously always had Zaroon in her mind as well. Furthermore, she says yes to his proposal later for her owns reasons..granted it may come across as silly..but that infamous "chai ka cup" reason was enough for her to say yes..but I always believed she had a soft spot for Zaroon..she just never acknowledged it till later. Of course what he did to her in the middle didn't help.

Originally posted by: starstruckk

Kashaf was always a part of Zaroon's subconscious mind from the time they first got to know each other. She's different...and even more so for Zaroon. Zaroon is shown as this typical rich, liberal, upper class guy who is used to females swooning over him left, right and center. Then suddenly, here comes this girl who doesn't give two cents about Zaroon, plays hard to get (something he's not used to at all)... who doesn't crave his attention despite him even trying, someone who's intelligent, headstrong, ambitious, traditional, and most of all someone who'd fit the bill as HIS ideal life partner.

All of these things were evident even without Zaroon knowing about Kashaf's past or her struggles in life. A lot of their interactions had nuances in them which depict a whole lot about Kashaf's personality. For instance, that night when she throws a fit when Zaroon's taking her home past midnight. Zaroon could've made so many conclusions about Kashaf's character (and the fact that he's shown as this intelligent person, he tries concluding more than what meets the eye). Apart from the fact that she came across as rude..she mentioned how a guy driving home a girl past midnight would not be feasible in a neighborhood where she comes from...to which Zaroon even reacts with a W-T-F reaction? He goes on to say this is completely normal in Karachi for a guy and a girl. That said so much about both their characters. Firstly, how Kashaf has certain rules that she abides by...that not only shows her character but possibly her mother's as well. And, it's nothing far fetched. In places like India and Pakistan..there are certain areas where you can't just randomly have a guy drop you off past midnight at your doorstep. Here, Kashaf acknowledges that..and something like that could possibly become a taunt for her mother the next day. Compare that to how Sara and Zaroon's mother are..to what Zaroon is used to seeing...it made a difference in Zaroon's head. Secondly, that scene also showed how Zaroon was rather surprised to learn that someone in today's time and age could actually still think like Kashaf. He was kind of oblivious to many things that he discovered in Kashaf. His interactions with Kashaf were revelations..and slowly, they started becoming his benchmark because subconsciously he always wanted those qualities in his partner. That's how he slowly started pushing Asmara away..he started comparing Asmara to the new benchmark he had found in Kashaf. It all goes back to what I was saying..she IS different, in particularly to Zaroon.

You don't need to get a detailed life story about someone to make conclusions about their personality. This is how we are in real life as well. We tend to infer a whole lot with the help of subtle details. Another instance was when they both had that heated argument in the library. Someone went and complained to the higher authorities at their school..and the first thing Asmara said was it must have been Kashaf. And, Zaroon actually defends her and goes..but how? she hasn't even been in school for the past few days. Asmara still blames her..and then when they both come face to face in front of Sir Abrar, Kashaf doesn't rat him out at all. She actually goes on to say that she has no problem with Zaroon. If you guys noticed..there you could see that Zaroon was in slight disbelief. Kashaf could've easily told Sir Abrar what Zaroon was trying to do with her..and she had every right to...but she didn't. If it was Asmara or perhaps anyone else..they may have thrown a fit..but Kashaf didn't. That speaks volumes about Kashaf's personality. Zaroon never took her indifference to him or her rudeness at face value as a reflection of her entire personality. He went a little deeper than that.

Not to mention, they did spend 2 years in university together..and the writer always showed how Kashaf was on Zaroon's subconscious mind. His electronic diary is filled with Kashaf. Kashaf's diary is filled with Zaroon as well..but not as much as Zaroon's is. Zaroon always admired Kashaf..but his ego never allowed him to acknowledge that in front of her or his group of friends. Yes, he's hypocritical and a chauvinist but then Zaroon has his own internal demons just like Kashaf. He never got attention from his parents the way he would've liked to as a child. His mother was always too concerned about the worldly affairs to pay attention to raising him and Sara. So, in the back of his mind..if he were to start a family..it would be different than what he has been used to seeing.

I personally do think he always LIKED her. As I said, he just never could come in terms with it. Once they actually meet again after a few years..he realizes Kashaf's still the same..and how he still admires her for the qualities that she once had. That admiration is enough for him to ask her to marry him. Everyone has their checklist of things they'd like their life partner to have. For Zaroon, Kashaf has whatever he wants and needs...and that's enough. For those who ask why would Kashaf say yes to him? I feel Kashaf subconsciously always had Zaroon in her mind as well. Furthermore, she says yes to his proposal later for her owns reasons..granted it may come across as silly..but that infamous "chai ka cup" reason was enough for her to say yes..but I always believed she had a soft spot for Zaroon..she just never acknowledged it till later. Of course what he did to her in the middle didn't help.

Originally posted by: RockChicGirl

Kashraf likes him alright...or atleast is always noticing what he is up to just like Zaroon does as far as Kashraf is concerned. In one of the early episodes during Kashraf's college days Sidra is about to make a similar remark but stops herself. From whatever Kashraf tells Sidra...Sidra actually has a good impression of Zaroon though whatever Kashraf tells about him is supposed to be extremely negative. Sidra's only way of knowing about Zaroon then was Kashraf herself.

Kashraf is extremely conscious of her background and looks in college because of the impression Zaroon would have on her. Even later when she rejects Osama's proposal her main thought is if Osama gets to know of her background he would tell it to Zaroon. In addition to that her biggest problem with Zaroon during his university days and even now is his flirtatious behavior. She has a complete list of his activities stored away in her mind and never fails to remind him of his girlfriends. 😆 Such a girl is certainly not immune to Zaroon Junaid though she gives a good job of giving him an impression to him of being so.

Originally posted by: starstruckk

Exactly...Kashaf has noticed everything about him. You must have some interest in someone to know their list of girlfriends by heart. 😆 Kashaf was definitely never immune to Zaroon. As you said, she's extremely self conscious of her looks, her background, family problems etc..I feel she never even TRIED putting herself out there because she was always self conscious and she eventually just made herself unapproachable. She acts tough but she's actually very vulnerable. She makes it seem like she's this arrogant person meanwhile she actually has low self esteem. Also, her and Asmara never got along which only further prevented her from getting close to Zaroon even if she wanted to. It was all a defense mechanism. Kashaf never really despised him. She did develop a soft spot for him. Even during the library scene, the way she starts yelling and then eventually crying..showed she was hurt for various reasons. And I genuinely believe one of them was that her cynicism towards Zaroon was diminishing..and then here he goes back to square one in proving her right. Both these people subconsciously liked each other..but circumstances never allowed them to acknowledge any of that. As I said earlier..if you think about their diary entries then 90% of it is about each other. 😆 You can't possibly think about someone so often and not have SOME interest in them. At least I don't think so.

Originally posted by: Liashna

You just said all of my mind. I totally agree with you.. Both of them somehow did think of each other. Zaroo, albeit 'subconsciously', wanted Asmara to be like Kashaf. He had a great deal of respect for her, her values and her character. WhenKashaf doesnt agree to sit in front, he wonders whether her real problem is with him or she'd have behaved the same with anyone else. And that's when I saw a change in his expectations from Asmara.. He found that there is actually one girl who can be and is the opposite of his mother and Sara... just like he wanted his own partner to be. But he doesnt really realise that until he mentions her to Osama and he points it out. And that's when he reflects as to why he used to compare Asmara with Kashaf.. and why does heballow Kashaf to say anything to him, things that he wouldn't let others go away with. His love isn not the puppylove or cheesylove that are usually shown. No eyelocks, no damsel in distress and the prince who saves her, nothing like that. It was more of a mature and real love. He had respect for her, he did admire her, and he cared for her. He knew that all the things he used to complain about her is actually what made him look upto her.

And about Kashaf, she didn't have such bright thoughts about him but she was constantly thinking of him. Even after University, she indirectly mentions Zaroon when she tells her mother that some people do get everything just like that. But when Sidra tells Kashaf she knew that she always liked Zaroon, Kashaf doesnt deny. Even before the chai ka cup, ypu could see Kashaf believing Zaroon's words, she was not indifferent to Zaroon's feelings towards her and that's when Zaroon tells her that he doesn't want to lose her because of the mistakes he did in the past. The story is greatly woven, I really don't find a fault in it.
It's one show I've completely allowed myself to agree with from beginning to end.