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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: preetgurti

Atleast u guys are venting out here cvs not letting jodha vent out anything poor thing is only in conflict with heart and mind and still no conclusion of her misery
at every one receiving end she is and still cant vent out how frustrated it must

btw mansi I am in love with your thread such amazing post I cant even call them post basically its thought process which all of u jave written so beautiful
will def gonna add my twi cents soon

though I am not liking epi it look flat to me coz I watch show for jodha and jalal but I am only getting one that bothers me the most
they could have make this separation ao beautiful but they choose it ti be dramatic only one sided

jodha character has so many things to say and we understanding her non speaking
I just hope they make sure jodha reach agra soin

btw jodha is super women usse sab pata has na chahiye whats happening in agra

I am also in love with this thread. daily after I write I come rushing back to see the other posts and if I read them I get uplifted for the whole day!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Oops sorry double post!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mdeshpande

Good post Mansi !!

I found yesterday's epi to be good. It was bound to be all reactions to this major 'paardafaash'! Yes , HB"s reaction seemed a bit on lukewarm side. Why? coz maybe she always knew in her heart what kind of woman she was. And 2ndly she did not think herself capable enough to console Jalal rightly?? I was bit disappointed that she sent Salima to lend Jalal some counsel and support but did not take the jehmat to go to her own son in his hour of need 😔 All three, HB,GB and Jijianga, are shocked and sad for Jalal but they did not sport much strong reaction.
Coming to Ruk-Jalal scene, Rukaiya too seemed pathetically inept and confused on how to console Jalal. No doubt she sensed his immense hurt but her sense of self-preservation will always be at front and even Jalal will always come next,me thinks.

Well, at least she is getting something done through Salima who is level-headed and a big help to Jalal. In the end the catchwords that caught Jalal's attention were "This is what Jodha would have told you also!". When Salima said that it all made utter sense to Jalal. So now its too late I guess to decide if Hamida can be better or not. Her days of making a difference to jalal are also gone. Now only the Jodha jadoo works!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gem12

Mansi yesterdays episode was good..its just an eye opener for jalal to know about his dear ones whom he used to believe blindly and how they backstabbed him for thr own selfish motives...now he realised all are behind him for audha and power and for thr motives...only HB,jodha are loyal to him...only jodha is the one who can be loyal to him and love him unconditionally with out expecting anything from him..she il love him for what he is..she loves him and cares for him coz he is her husband not becoz he is shehensha..she il be loyal to him for life long..

now i understood y they are dragging this seperation...If Jodha was with him in Agra Jalal would not have reacted the same way with Maham and rukku like how he is doing now...even i bens case also jodha was in death bed coz of these two..these two who forced jalal to marry ben...that time he didnt punish these two coz jodha was with him ..so he was not bothered about it..now he lost his life ,love jodha coz of this issue and made him to break all relationships with maham...now rukku is also not in gud books of jalal...so jodha il be come back to agra once he takes all powers from maham...

rukku is another selfish person who is after audha..she is not remorseful for what she did to Jo..she just safeguarded herself coz she knows if jalal can break all relations from maham and ready to punish her..then what if he comes to about her deeds from 3rd party so she accepted her mistake...even wen salima was talking about jodha yesterday rukku was looking at her like oh god wen ever she speaks to jalal she always takes jodha's name..wat was the necessity for her to take jodha's name now already he is angry with us coz of this jodha now again this salima is rubbing salt on my wounds...

as per shaguni bai's predictions jo il go back to agra wen destiny and ambe ma decides...y do i feel she il go back to agra only after shivani's marriage is fixed..but as per spoilers jo il go back to agra b4 shivani's re entry.

yesterday salima adivsed him to control his emotions...and asked him to think and punish maham like a shehenshah not like jalal..yesterday he told maham that he lost her son not her audha as a son...but today HB also will advice him to take decision as shehenshah..so today he il punish her as a shehenshah and il take all powers from her...how she misused these powers , cheated everyone & broke shehensha's trust...what guarantee tmw if she wont plot against jodha and cheat jalal using these powers...more over both jalal and jodha are victims here..jalal as a son punished maham..but being husband of jodha and a shehensha he needs to punish maham..so he il punish him taking all powers and audha ,rutba from her..now she is nothing but a bandhi...


Yes that is the beauty of life that onluy loss teaches lessons that a good life without pain cannot teach. Pain is the best teacher in life!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: neeshaa16

Dear Mansi,

Wonderful post.. Lovely take on HB as a mother. Many ppl feel that Jalal should have gone to HB for solace after MA is exposed and he is all heart broken.. MA meant much more to him than HB .. I think.. thats why he is all more heart broken.. He was emotionally more attached to Maham than his own mother ..

That may be the reason he cannot find the emotional attachment in HB. Correct me, if I am wrong, but I feel the bonding between a mother and a son that takes place in the initial years .. is very important..During his growing years MA was only there to offer him whatever emotional support he wanted from a mother.. Though later on Hamida returned, but I feel it was too late for that bonding to develop.. By that time Jalal had already grown up.. thats why he is shattered even more .
As it is said clay will mold only when it is wet ..Once it starts drying up .. it hardens then it is difficult to change its shape ..it was exactly what happened with Hamida.. she may have later tried to influence Jalal but ..in vain.. He was already under two powerful ppls influence BK and MA... I am just trying to look at Hamida's POV.. and Jalal's mental condition after MA's truth was out..

Regarding who Jalal went to in his time of need, he neither went to HB, nor Salima, and in fact I feel he did not go to Ruq either. he went to the tarazu where he must have hoped that at least the "rooh" of Jodha was there.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: nabiii

After hearing frm Salima's mashola jalal took the decission suddenly that at DEK he is gonna to announce the punishment of maham but just few times ago he 2 times said to maham at DEK that he wouldn't snatch her position ever rather she has lost her son forever..then abruptly why is this fickle dialogues in Jalal's mouth without any other conspiracy revelation of maham?! Kuch ajeb laga!?
Your perception abt Ruk is very much correct..she is now only trying to rescue her skin.
I m very much disappointed to see HB'S reaction..she was very much cold with such a crucial moment..i thought after knowing maham's truth either Jalal would go to HB or HB would come near to Jalal b/c after getting betray frm maham whom jalal considered the most important person in his life over HB, now HB could have solace jalal by her unconditional motherly affection that jalal always tried to get in maham at the time of her absence..cvs have lost a chance to show a durable bond amid HB n Jalal.
Finally,i desperately want Jodha in agra asap..jj's not present in same frame is now paining me.

I think Jalal was jolted to act when Salima said "Even if Jodha was here, she would have advised you the same thing, to treat Maham as a King instead of a ason!". That word that Jodha would have advised the same thing worked like magic on Jalal!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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good take, Mansi... yest's episode again reflected mindsets of those whoever were present on screen... their behavior certainly raised few questions , but there were another characters who answered those questions... Jalal, Maham, Hamida, and Jodha... all of them raised questions...and if we see the episode not just for Jalal or for Jodha or for both of them, but for the situations they faced and the solutions they want, then we have all answers in yest episode itself...

will put my take based on the points u have chosen...

I have four points to highlight about this episode ...

a. In the first place I was setting up my own expectations very high after the previous episode. I thought all of Maham's many saazishes would come tumbling out of the closet - or if not all, at least a substantial number of them. There was still the surang mystery, the dhakka paigam and the Shivani elopement issues to unravel.

I thought, a bit stupidly, that somehow the surang mystery and the Shivani issue may combine (for example, would Hamida tells Jalal about the surang, and would Jalal do a recce of the surang and find Shivani captive there?). But all this was just my feverish imagination because I couldn't account for the baby in the surang, nor did I have a theory of why Shivani may be there without Tejwant.

Then I realised that I was trying to rush things in my mind just to get enough reasons for Jalal to strip Maham totally of all responsibilities on Mahaguruvaar (after saying on Tuesday "Keep your audha and your life, you have lost a son"). Maybe by having too many expectations of yesterday's episode the ultimate airing of the episode made me feel it was a bit too flat and devoid of any real progress in the story.

Not just u, everybody, including me, expected a big dhamaka yest... we all were expecting , that now since they have started showing MA's downfall, it should come in just one stroke... but naturally CVs know their work well, i must say...they r showing her downfall step by step... and so every step will distance Jalal more from her , every step Jalal will become more independent, every step he will understand the gravity of mistakes, insults and tortures he had made Jo gone through, right since their marriage, and so at every step he will miss her more, will miss her care and support, will miss her warmth, will miss her insight, and will miss her strength... and if all this is to be shown, then it can't be wrapped in just one episode... it started this week, now let's give them atleast one more week, to give a perfect final touch, when MA will be finally exposed in front of him, and then he will be devastated to last core, and then there will be two new relationships which will help him face himself once again... one of Jo and another with HB...

b. I somehow did not like the tarazu mnemonic to be used for a Jalal-Ruq scene because I have become a bit possessive over the tarazu being used only for Jodha-Jalal scenes. So I didn't like it one bit that Ruq was there in that sacrosanct place with Jalal ... and moreover, I didn't like him confiding his troubles to Ruq.

The only good part of the scene was that Ruq herself then started blabbering and let out her part in the whole Sujamal saga (that she knew that there was a Rajvanshi man impersonating Dilawar Khan and that she was jealous of Jodha and had thus abetted Maham).

At first I thought Ruq would not tell Jalal all this herself, and may in fact hate his crying for the lost love of Jodha. But Ruq took me by surprise. She started crying along with him. On hindsight I feel she was smart to have blurted out everything before Maham exposed her at the DEK to Jalal. So to an extent Ruq has saved her own skin by owning up to Jalal and saying she only abetted Maham because Maham said she was trying to trap the Rajvanshi man into revealing himself to them all!

i felt the tarazu scene was perfect... there r Jalal and Jodha, who always come there to solve the conflicts in their mind... with a true wish that while doing justice with one person, there should not be injustice with other... and when one of them is unsure of his/her actions, other balances it with his/her support...

yest he was facing such conflict again... and this time it was Ruku who was with him at that place... and what she done? instead of giving him strength and support, she tried to save herself... and then salima, while consoling Jalal used Jo's name, coz she knows very well, that even Jo's name is enough to keep Jalal on right track, though Jo is not there personally... and we saw, it worked like a magic... now when Jalal will act against MA , he won't be just a Shehenshah, he will also be Jo's husband and lover...

and so i felt the tarazu scene held the right meaning to show who rightfully belongs there besides him while making the right decision, with perfect balance and justice... it's only Jo, never Ruku, who doesn't have the mindset to understand the symbolism of that tarazu in Jalal's life...

c. I thought Hamida's reactions to hearing the story of Maham's exposure was a bit tame. Considering the degree of distress Hamida had about Jodha's absence and non-return to Agra, and the way she scolded Jalal about it, I had thought that she would display more vehemence yesterday when she came to know that Maham had separated Jodha and Jalal wilfully. I also thought Hamida would be more concerned that Maham had betrayed Jalal and his love for her as a mother figure. But on both counts, she was a bit too lukewarm, I thought. All that I saw Hamida do was to sink into the sofa and say something to the effect of "Hai, hai, yeh kya ho gaya", which didn't seem good enough for me.

You know what folks, I find it - and have always found it - a bit strange that Hamida takes Jalal's love for his Badi Ammi with so much equanimity. I would have expected her to be more jealous, or perhaps more aggressively loving towards Jalal in order to assert her own status as his real mother. So yesterday when I saw Hamida's relatively reaction-less response to hearing about Maham's betrayal of Jalal, and her saazish in sundering Jodha and Jalal, something looked definitely missing.

Hamida could have shown one of three reactions more strongly:

- She could have felt more dismayed at Maham's treacheryand ruination of Jalal's life.

- She could have displayed more glee that Maham was no longer a competitor-mother to Jalal.

- She could have felt more for Jodha's separation from Jalal by Maham.

All three reactions were missing. Which brings me back to the point of why over all these years she did not put up any resistance to Jalal's doting on Maham, nor to Maham's inordinate powers in the Sultanate. She was too resigned, too comfortable with Maham and her stature and closeness to Jalal than I would have preferred. But at least I thought her reaction to hearing of how Maham had separated Jodha from Jalal would be stronger. I guess Hamida is a placid disturb-me-not character by Nature? She has raised her voice in anger on some occasions but it has never amounted to much change in anyone in the end!

Hamida's reaction was right, considering her true relation with Jalal... why i m saying this, then u have to see the starting MA-Jalal scene again... Jalal calls himself orphan in that scene, and MA is taken aback hearing that... see that scene once again... Jalal takes three names , Humayun, BK and MA... and loss of these three makes him feel like orphan... he doesn't even think of HB still being as his mother... coz for him HB never existed as his mother... even not now... after this , if he had gone to HB, she would have consoled him properly, but he should have gone to her... she won't... coz the moment she had come to know abt this, and she would have rushed to Jalal to console him, he would have seen her as opportunist and would have hated her more, would have distanced from her even more...would habe blamed her for being responsible for the whole mess, that coz she stayed away from him, all this happened to him, and now when he has failed she is trying to get close to him seeing it as a chance...as a queen of the empire, HB has seen the best and worst phases of life... she has survived through them... she understands situations better than anybody else... and she is a very good decision maker...i feel HB is wisest person in whole Agra clan... though Jalal is not close to her, HB knows better what her son needs at what time...and so she sent Salima... that was perfect...

here see the joke... both HB and Humayun were equally away from Jalal , still Humayun holds imp place in Jalal's life and heart, while a mother who understands him better even without looking at him , doesn't even exist in his mind and heart... for him she is more a queen mother, who betrayed him of her love...

like i said before there were questions on character's behavior, and the reply came from other character... see abt HB's being away from Jalal , and Jalal was reply for that... he doesn't count HB to be near him, even now he misses Jo when HB is there... and the fact that Jo is not that close to him yet, Jo doesn't understand him fully yet, like HB does, still he wishes Jo to be with him and not HB...

yest had she gone to console him, Jalal wouldn't have gone close to her, even though she would have taken her in his arms... coz he opens to her only when Jo is concerned... the true mother-son relationship is yet to start... and that's what will happen, once MA is completely out of his life, after Jo comes back... coz as far as i know, Jalal/Akbar had become equally close to HB, the way he was with MA... only after MA's departure...and then that relationship lasted till HB was alive...

d. How typical it was for Adham and Maham to bypass the message and try to shoot the messenger! After all the analysis they did of the situation, Maham was seen absolving Jalal of all blame and making light of her own misdeeds. Instead she said the villain of the piece was Atga Khan, something that sounded like sweet music to her son's ears.

I guess, as Abhay would say, this is one more nail in the coffin of the Adham-Atga enmity. Poor Atga Khan, his own bad times are approaching and his life is in jeopardy. Fate has hastened his departure by making him the recipient of Ahtmaad Khan and Dilawar Khan's story and put him in the position of further incensing Adham and Maham by sneaking to Jalal about this issue.

The fact that he is closing in on Adham's accounting frauds was already putting Atga in a dangerous position vis a vis Adham ... but now this also? Poor, poor Atga!

these two r from the crowd, who always think what they do is always right... rather they think the world revolves around them... and so when anything wrong happens, for them the world is to blame... coz they r always right... only the worst shock that brings out the truth that the world has moved on leaving them behind in their dreamland, can make them face the reality... and the result is two ways... either they change to become a good soul, or they become destroyers... let's see which way these to go...

and abt Jo, then she is still facing dilemma btw her love for him, and her mistrust that come next MU and he won't cut her from his life again... the day she will understand, that her love holds the power to make him trust her with his life, and when she would believe that he trusts her just as much as he trusts himself, Jo will go back to him...

with MA's downfall, Jalal's repentance has been started... there will be one point where he will lose all his strength to hold himself up after more backstabbing from these so-called his ppl will come in front of him, and there he will need Jo and HB most...

so i think, Jo still has some time to make her mind.😉...coz this time her returning to him will be for no return back... ever... atleast let's hope so...


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wonderful analysis mansi 👍🏼
1) I'm happy that Jallu is punishing mahamanga as shehenshah and loved HB n Salima advice to him...
2) regarding ruks it's definitely out of fear she blurt out the truth not bcz of guilty or not bcz of love... It's better for her wen she herself accepts than the third person lik Maham exposes her.. Bcz wen she knew that Jallu cut his relations with Maham ruks must hv Thoght lik this as this shud not happen for her...
3) actually I expected HB to console Jallu bcz it's related to Maham and as mother only she can console n understand how it wud b if Mother lik person plots against his son... Bit I liked her advice to Salima to go n console him and no wonder Jallu finds sukoon with her words... Also liked HB advice in precap to think lik shehenshah n give decision..
4) I loved shaguni bai first line that he won't leave u 😳 u hv to b with him ur kismat is with him n I think Jo is now ready to pack off her bags to Agra as she herself is hurt n not finding peace without Jallu ... As per yday precap n promo one thing I noticed is HB Salima ruks r wearing same dresses wer we saw one offscreen pic of Jo ruks Salima HB.., so Jo is there with them I think how is strt today n may reach today or tomorrow 😳
5) seems lik atgah end is nearing as adham was furious now... I wil miss him n Jallu treating him like father wud b devastated but our Jo wud b there in those tough times with Jallu to console him
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi got time today so you might get lot of posts from me!

The irony of Jalal Jodha relations -

Jalal married Jodha out of hate and he told her he will protect her from the world but who will protect her from him?
The irony is Jalal did not protect Jodha - not from MA, not from Rukayya, not from SD-BB and not from Ben!
Jodha vowed hatred for Jalal but Jodha is the one who protected Jalal from death at Ben's hands, from having to end his marriage with Rukayya, from the hatred of his awam which Jodha turned into love!

Jodha is the one person Jalal threw out of his life - the irony today he can see how wrong he was.
Jodha is the one most loyal to him. While those he trusted or rather had blind faith in have betrayed him, backstabbed him in the worst way harmed him scarred him emotionally.
Jodha with revenge in mind is the one who is most loyal most deserving of Jalal's trust.

MA and Rukayya betrayed him for their benefit while Jodha did not tell him something but only to protect his own life.
Jodha drank poison to save his life when he had uttered the words to her that he will not turn to look at her face even if she was dying!

Jodha and Jalal have turned their hatred into love inspite of everybody plotting against them.

This is going to be Jalal's watershed moment

Jalal already loves Jodha but now he will see that she is the one he should have full trust on, she is the one who will never backstab him, Jodha is the one who will not be disloyal to him. Best thing is Jodha thinks of him as her husband first and Shehenshah later, she loves the man. MA pretended to love him for being Shehenshah.

I hope Jalal sees the truth now and from now on it is Jalal who should protect Jodha. Once Jodha is back and he gets the reassurance of her love and her being always by his side - I hope Jalal now cherishes Jodha and protects her from the wolves in Agra.

The irony is they both started with hate, doubts about other and extreme mistrust and look at Jodha Jalal now - they love each other and know the trust has to be built upon now.

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Originally posted by: MaddyO

Mansi got time today so you might get lot of posts from me!

The irony of Jalal Jodha relations -

Jalal married Jodha out of hate and he told her he will protect her from the world but who will protect her from him?
The irony is Jalal did not protect Jodha - not from MA, not from Rukayya, not from SD-BB and not from Ben!
Jodha vowed hatred for Jalal but Jodha is the one who protected Jalal from death at Ben's hands, from having to end his marriage with Rukayya, from the hatred of his awam which Jodha turned into love!

Jodha is the one person Jalal threw out of his life - the irony today he can see how wrong he was.
Jodha is the one most loyal to him. While those he trusted or rather had blind faith in have betrayed him, backstabbed him in the worst way harmed him scarred him emotionally.
Jodha with revenge in mind is the one who is most loyal most deserving of Jalal's trust.

MA and Rukayya betrayed him for their benefit while Jodha did not tell him something but only to protect his own life.
Jodha drank poison to save his life when he had uttered the words to her that he will not turn to look at her face even if she was dying!

Jodha and Jalal have turned their hatred into love inspite of everybody plotting against them.

This is going to be Jalal's watershed moment

Jalal already loves Jodha but now he will see that she is the one he should have full trust on, she is the one who will never backstab him, Jodha is the one who will not be disloyal to him. Best thing is Jodha thinks of him as her husband first and Shehenshah later, she loves the man. MA pretended to love him for being Shehenshah.

I hope Jalal sees the truth now and from now on it is Jalal who should protect Jodha. Once Jodha is back and he gets the reassurance of her love and her being always by his side - I hope Jalal now cherishes Jodha and protects her from the wolves in Agra.

The irony is they both started with hate, doubts about other and extreme mistrust and look at Jodha Jalal now - they love each other and know the trust has to be built upon now.



wrote with heart in it... superb Maddy...

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