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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Medha,

Please stop replying because I feel guilty if I don't reply to you! And if this goes on, everyone will kick us out of Mansi's thread!

Love your post below. Don't worry, I don't think Jalal will get taken up by MA just yet. Maybe later again when Jodha returns and MA spins another plot.

I think Jo should be back by Friday.

And please don't thank me so much! it's embarrassing and not needed between friends. 😆

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Hi Radhika 😃

A BIG THANKS for taking time out from your busy schedule and write this wonderful post. I was thinking about your post since yesterday night (how much we think about Jodha and Jalal!) and I just kept thinking about the destiny part.

Your reply is perfect. Yes this was Jalal's test. Jodha gave hers in Ben. Just like in Ben track Jodha had only one option life with Jalal or no life. Here also Jalal chose Jodha by giving up the most important person in his life.

Make no mistake however much he loves Jodha - till yesterday's revelation about MA and Jalal seeing through her - it was MA who was most precious to him. Jalal loved Jodha romantically but MA is the one he trusted blindly and loved without any reservation. Jalal even drew sword on Adga K for his precious MA!

MA was truly Jalal's mother in his eves, that she was not really his mother in HER eyes devastated him. Still Jalal would have got caught in MA words and tried to assuage her that her place in his life is safe, she need not feel insecure about Jodha. If not for Jodha not by his side.

MA used what good lawyer would think is perfect legal defense "make the crime seem less by justifying its reasons". MA tried to put spin of mother v/s daughter-in-law so that she can play on Jalal's viewing her as his mother always.

Copying your post

Could Jodha ever have imagined that Jalal would give up his badi ammi for her sake, to prove his love for her? Like that old man had said in the jungle, if you want something, you have to give up that which is most precious to you.

Wonderful point about the old man. Yes Jalal gave up someone very precious to him for Jodha. Actually he gave up MA for himself too, it is just that he does not know that yet. Cos how much MA has harmed him is yet to come before him. Yesterday he acted against MA only for Jodha.

And what greater sacrifice does God need from Jalal to prove beyond doubt that he is well and truly repentant and willing to go to any length to get back Jodha. Yes, the time is near when Ambe MA will indicate to Jodha that she can now return to her husband and her home. Because her husband has earned her back, not thru tears but thru concrete action.

I love this, yes hope this action of Jalal's is enough to prove he is repentant. I loved the point you made that Jalal made promise to God but did not really stand by it and cherish Jodha. So now his repentance is he is having to show by actions and I really hope he has done enough to get his Jodha back.

Jalal is immediately getting caught in MA's words web, yesterday he did ask Rukayya why MA is insecure about Jodha when MA has her place in my life too? So this is brink time for Jalal cos if anybody can still twist him around her finger it is MA. Jalal has to stand up for Jodha now and HB and SB are going to stand by him. It is only Jodha who can give him the strength he needs to do this.

I am being selfish but I want them together cos I cannot stand to see Jalal in pain and I do not want for Jodha to miss a single moment of MA's downfall. Who apart from Jalal deserves to see MA unveiled for all her viciousness and lies than the 2 people she harmed most - so Jodha has to come back now. 😃

Thanks once again Radhika for taking time out from busy schedule - I am really touched.



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi and Radhika - friends are for venting - I count on you when I want to vent! 😆

I think both HB and MV were more protocol driven mothers.

I had read this lovely line somewhere - most parents teach their children to be "right thinkers" - what actually should be taught is "HOW TO THINK RIGHTLY"

There is a vast difference - first makes us follow all rituals and set ways of life considering this is the right way to think and behave

Second way teaches us to evaluate for ourselves, churn inside and be more liberal. It gives us freedom to be independent and make our own conclusions and decisions.

Jalal is clearly very liberal person. Not even MA & HB could change this in him. Jalal imbibed all the "right" lessons they gave him but Jalal ALWAYS remained a person who "knew how to think and decide".

When he wanted Jalal did what he wanted - Jalal marrying Jodha was something BOTH MA and BK would have been aghast at. Especially his giving Jodha religious freedom. This so went against the kind of narrow cruel leader they wanted to turn Jalal into.

HB has been very conservative thinker - it is possible Jalal did not find her stimulating as a person.
HB had such a hesitancy in approaching Jalal earlier - I remember the scene just at start of JA when she got a taveej for Jalal and he did not bother to see it fell when he went off from her.
HB picked it up with great sadness.

Just as Jalal has thought she did no stand by him maybe HB also carries this guilt.

Jodha brought out the best in HB cos she gave her tremendous respect, Jodha saw what a gem of a person HB is. Jodha gave confidence to HB.

Apart from that one scene when HB went to Jalal the night before Jalal was to marry Ben, he was miserable and she gave him advice. It has always been Jalal go to HB mostly.

I agree HB should have been the first one to offer comfort to Jalal. Who but his own mother who loves him dearly can comfort him when the person he considered his mother backstabbed him?

It was interesting Jalal said that he lost his father and mother in BK & MA. These are the ones HE thought of as his parents.

There was a time when Jalal used to be amused at the thought that HB liked Jodha so much.

HB only reacted angrily when Jodha was driven away from Jalal's life because she loves Jalal and knows only Jodha can love him the way he deserves to.

HB was shown being assertive with Adga, with MA. So when Jalal was absent from Agra then HB did try to safeguard Jalal's interests.

At this point in Jalal's life ONLY Jodha can really find him back - he said he feels he has lost his wajood. Maybe now is the time for Jodha to come back to help him find himself.

Jodha is also a non conforming to set rigid rules person. She flouted so many rules herself and she fits right in with Jalal's own thoughts. They both like to think differently - isn't that what sets apart great people from ordinary ones? How they think DIFFERENTLY.

I hope to see HB comfort Jalal today - it is just that she is important to him but not as important as Jodha. Jalal only needs Jodha now and I hope Jodha goes to Agra now.

BTW - HOW WOULD JODHA KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN AGRA?

I guess Jalal needs to see MA for what she is and being apart from Jodha gave him the strength to act against MA. If Jodha was by Jalal's side then he would have been angry but would have made him think maybe MA is feeling left out. MA would have got away with her nautanki she pulled on about mother left out etc.


Maddy, beautiful analysis, splendid in fact!
To this I want to add one more point. Aside from what our mothers give us, there is this Gift of God called Life Experience. Jalal had this very early when he had to become a kIng very early in life, so he learned from the exposure to Life Experience how to cope. To "cope with life" means to be able to have emotional hurts and still not get paralysed by them into inaction. Life has to go on and so we too have to move on. See how despite his hurts regarding Jodha not coming back, Jalal is also not letting it all stop him from discharging his other duties.

In contrast, Jodha has a happy childhood, a sheltered childhood, but is not as blessed by God to have this Life Experience. See how she is stuck, unable to cope, unable to move on and wallowing in her hurts. We can say in the past hurts she did not get stuck, so maybe this present hurt is a big hurt. But the truth is she did not move on inside from past hurts by Jalal also, and that is why now its is all like a cumulative mega-hurt from which she is unable to move on.
People with Life Experience look like they have had a lot of hardship in early years so we feel sad for them (like we feel for Jalal) but actually he has had a Gift from God of Life Experience. On the contrary, Jodha who seems to have had a blessed childhood actually did not get that blessing of Life Experience, and that's why she is getting paralysed by hurts rather than knowing how to move on despite them. This lesson that she is learning this time is God's gift to her finally. If she learns to move past this big hurt on her own, she will have learnt a big Life Lesson indeed!
What do you think?


Mansi wonderfully said. Yes Jalal is so much a man of the world faced life's harsh realities even at such young age. While Jodha is pampered, protected, adored princess far removed from life's harshness.

What it must have been like for her to be thrown to wolves by the very people she totally depended upon? Life in Agra was such a nightmare for her that she probably learnt more harsh lessons in 1 year that Jalal has learnt gradually.

Jodha is exactly what Jalal needs and Jalal is what Jodha needs. I am not even talking about their love.

Jodha is naive and prone to believe the best in people - good human trait but not really suitable for a Queen. Jalal distrusts most but only believed MA & Rukayya. Jodha is the one who taught him to to see life's goodness, to rule the heart not by force. Jalal needs to teach Jodha some of his Tedapan!

You have used such perfect word it is Jodha's cumulative hurt accumulated since she stepped in Agra. It is to her huge credit that she survived.

Jalal helped Jodha survive by giving the few precious times where she started to think of Agra as her home and started to love Jalal.

How wrenching it must have been for Jodha to think all that she faced bravely in Agra came to naught cos the one man she did it all for can just remove her from his life.

Jodha is going to learn her lesson by missing Jalal so much her hurt will give way to her love. Cos she cannot stand to get hurt again but more she cannot stand to be apart form him also.

Hope this time Jalal will reassure her by his actions and words that he will never remove her from his life, he will never distrust her again.

Like Radhika wrote in her wonderful post - Jalal has given her biggest proof by choosing Jodha over MA.

I hope this is enough for Kali Mata to send Jodha back to her destiny which is Jalal 😃


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

good take, Mansi... yest's episode again reflected mindsets of those whoever were present on screen... their behavior certainly raised few questions , but there were another characters who answered those questions... Jalal, Maham, Hamida, and Jodha... all of them raised questions...and if we see the episode not just for Jalal or for Jodha or for both of them, but for the situations they faced and the solutions they want, then we have all answers in yest episode itself...

will put my take based on the points u have chosen...

I have four points to highlight about this episode ...

a. In the first place I was setting up my own expectations very high after the previous episode. I thought all of Maham's many saazishes would come tumbling out of the closet - or if not all, at least a substantial number of them. There was still the surang mystery, the dhakka paigam and the Shivani elopement issues to unravel.

I thought, a bit stupidly, that somehow the surang mystery and the Shivani issue may combine (for example, would Hamida tells Jalal about the surang, and would Jalal do a recce of the surang and find Shivani captive there?). But all this was just my feverish imagination because I couldn't account for the baby in the surang, nor did I have a theory of why Shivani may be there without Tejwant.

Then I realised that I was trying to rush things in my mind just to get enough reasons for Jalal to strip Maham totally of all responsibilities on Mahaguruvaar (after saying on Tuesday "Keep your audha and your life, you have lost a son"). Maybe by having too many expectations of yesterday's episode the ultimate airing of the episode made me feel it was a bit too flat and devoid of any real progress in the story.

Not just u, everybody, including me, expected a big dhamaka yest... we all were expecting , that now since they have started showing MA's downfall, it should come in just one stroke... but naturally CVs know their work well, i must say...they r showing her downfall step by step... and so every step will distance Jalal more from her , every step Jalal will become more independent, every step he will understand the gravity of mistakes, insults and tortures he had made Jo gone through, right since their marriage, and so at every step he will miss her more, will miss her care and support, will miss her warmth, will miss her insight, and will miss her strength... and if all this is to be shown, then it can't be wrapped in just one episode... it started this week, now let's give them atleast one more week, to give a perfect final touch, when MA will be finally exposed in front of him, and then he will be devastated to last core, and then there will be two new relationships which will help him face himself once again... one of Jo and another with HB...

Yes this is one instance where I understand the merits of going slow but my heart is leaping for a fast resolution! I guess I too am in clonflict and not just Jodha!

b. I somehow did not like the tarazu mnemonic to be used for a Jalal-Ruq scene because I have become a bit possessive over the tarazu being used only for Jodha-Jalal scenes. So I didn't like it one bit that Ruq was there in that sacrosanct place with Jalal ... and moreover, I didn't like him confiding his troubles to Ruq.

The only good part of the scene was that Ruq herself then started blabbering and let out her part in the whole Sujamal saga (that she knew that there was a Rajvanshi man impersonating Dilawar Khan and that she was jealous of Jodha and had thus abetted Maham).

At first I thought Ruq would not tell Jalal all this herself, and may in fact hate his crying for the lost love of Jodha. But Ruq took me by surprise. She started crying along with him. On hindsight I feel she was smart to have blurted out everything before Maham exposed her at the DEK to Jalal. So to an extent Ruq has saved her own skin by owning up to Jalal and saying she only abetted Maham because Maham said she was trying to trap the Rajvanshi man into revealing himself to them all!

i felt the tarazu scene was perfect... there r Jalal and Jodha, who always come there to solve the conflicts in their mind... with a true wish that while doing justice with one person, there should not be injustice with other... and when one of them is unsure of his/her actions, other balances it with his/her support...

yest he was facing such conflict again... and this time it was Ruku who was with him at that place... and what she done? instead of giving him strength and support, she tried to save herself... and then salima, while consoling Jalal used Jo's name, coz she knows very well, that even Jo's name is enough to keep Jalal on right track, though Jo is not there personally... and we saw, it worked like a magic... now when Jalal will act against MA , he won't be just a Shehenshah, he will also be Jo's husband and lover...

and so i felt the tarazu scene held the right meaning to show who rightfully belongs there besides him while making the right decision, with perfect balance and justice... it's only Jo, never Ruku, who doesn't have the mindset to understand the symbolism of that tarazu in Jalal's life...

I didn't like Ruq being at the tarazu because for me it is "Jodha's place" ... but I see what you mean, the contrast between Jo and Ruq was so visible in the context of the tarazu ... in fact I felt as if Jalal was there because he felt Jodha's "rooh" there, so when Salima said "Jodha if she had been here would have given you the same advice I am giving you" he just steeled himself to follow that advuice. It was as if Jodha herself was there to say that to him.
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I thought Hamida's reactions to hearing the story of Maham's exposure was a bit tame. Considering the degree of distress Hamida had about Jodha's absence and non-return to Agra, and the way she scolded Jalal about it, I had thought that she would display more vehemence yesterday when she came to know that Maham had separated Jodha and Jalal wilfully. I also thought Hamida would be more concerned that Maham had betrayed Jalal and his love for her as a mother figure. But on both counts, she was a bit too lukewarm, I thought. All that I saw Hamida do was to sink into the sofa and say something to the effect of "Hai, hai, yeh kya ho gaya", which didn't seem good enough for me.

You know what folks, I find it - and have always found it - a bit strange that Hamida takes Jalal's love for his Badi Ammi with so much equanimity. I would have expected her to be more jealous, or perhaps more aggressively loving towards Jalal in order to assert her own status as his real mother. So yesterday when I saw Hamida's relatively reaction-less response to hearing about Maham's betrayal of Jalal, and her saazish in sundering Jodha and Jalal, something looked definitely missing.

Hamida could have shown one of three reactions more strongly:

- She could have felt more dismayed at Maham's treacheryand ruination of Jalal's life.

- She could have displayed more glee that Maham was no longer a competitor-mother to Jalal.

- She could have felt more for Jodha's separation from Jalal by Maham.

All three reactions were missing. Which brings me back to the point of why over all these years she did not put up any resistance to Jalal's doting on Maham, nor to Maham's inordinate powers in the Sultanate. She was too resigned, too comfortable with Maham and her stature and closeness to Jalal than I would have preferred. But at least I thought her reaction to hearing of how Maham had separated Jodha from Jalal would be stronger. I guess Hamida is a placid disturb-me-not character by Nature? She has raised her voice in anger on some occasions but it has never amounted to much change in anyone in the end!

Hamida's reaction was right, considering her true relation with Jalal... why i m saying this, then u have to see the starting MA-Jalal scene again... Jalal calls himself orphan in that scene, and MA is taken aback hearing that... see that scene once again... Jalal takes three names , Humayun, BK and MA... and loss of these three makes him feel like orphan... he doesn't even think of HB still being as his mother... coz for him HB never existed as his mother... even not now... after this , if he had gone to HB, she would have consoled him properly, but he should have gone to her... she won't... coz the moment she had come to know abt this, and she would have rushed to Jalal to console him, he would have seen her as opportunist and would have hated her more, would have distanced from her even more...would habe blamed her for being responsible for the whole mess, that coz she stayed away from him, all this happened to him, and now when he has failed she is trying to get close to him seeing it as a chance...as a queen of the empire, HB has seen the best and worst phases of life... she has survived through them... she understands situations better than anybody else... and she is a very good decision maker...i feel HB is wisest person in whole Agra clan... though Jalal is not close to her, HB knows better what her son needs at what time...and so she sent Salima... that was perfect...

here see the joke... both HB and Humayun were equally away from Jalal , still Humayun holds imp place in Jalal's life and heart, while a mother who understands him better even without looking at him , doesn't even exist in his mind and heart... for him she is more a queen mother, who betrayed him of her love...

like i said before there were questions on character's behavior, and the reply came from other character... see abt HB's being away from Jalal , and Jalal was reply for that... he doesn't count HB to be near him, even now he misses Jo when HB is there... and the fact that Jo is not that close to him yet, Jo doesn't understand him fully yet, like HB does, still he wishes Jo to be with him and not HB...

yest had she gone to console him, Jalal wouldn't have gone close to her, even though she would have taken her in his arms... coz he opens to her only when Jo is concerned... the true mother-son relationship is yet to start... and that's what will happen, once MA is completely out of his life, after Jo comes back... coz as far as i know, Jalal/Akbar had become equally close to HB, the way he was with MA... only after MA's departure...and then that relationship lasted till HB was alive...

That's a brilliant point Diksha. Now that you mention it is hitting me also as to why Jalal feels closer to his father even but not his mother, even though in childhood his father may have been away from him more often. What a gem of a thought you have had!

d. How typical it was for Adham and Maham to bypass the message and try to shoot the messenger! After all the analysis they did of the situation, Maham was seen absolving Jalal of all blame and making light of her own misdeeds. Instead she said the villain of the piece was Atga Khan, something that sounded like sweet music to her son's ears.

I guess, as Abhay would say, this is one more nail in the coffin of the Adham-Atga enmity. Poor Atga Khan, his own bad times are approaching and his life is in jeopardy. Fate has hastened his departure by making him the recipient of Ahtmaad Khan and Dilawar Khan's story and put him in the position of further incensing Adham and Maham by sneaking to Jalal about this issue.

The fact that he is closing in on Adham's accounting frauds was already putting Atga in a dangerous position vis a vis Adham ... but now this also? Poor, poor Atga!

these two r from the crowd, who always think what they do is always right... rather they think the world revolves around them... and so when anything wrong happens, for them the world is to blame... coz they r always right... only the worst shock that brings out the truth that the world has moved on leaving them behind in their dreamland, can make them face the reality... and the result is two ways... either they change to become a good soul, or they become destroyers... let's see which way these to go...

and abt Jo, then she is still facing dilemma btw her love for him, and her mistrust that come next MU and he won't cut her from his life again... the day she will understand, that her love holds the power to make him trust her with his life, and when she would believe that he trusts her just as much as he trusts himself, Jo will go back to him...

with MA's downfall, Jalal's repentance has been started... there will be one point where he will lose all his strength to hold himself up after more backstabbing from these so-called his ppl will come in front of him, and there he will need Jo and HB most...

so i think, Jo still has some time to make her mind.😉...coz this time her returning to him will be for no return back... ever... atleast let's hope so...

Yes this mother-son combo is forever looking for scapegoats ... they don't realise they are the problem!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Akdhaparijatluv

Wonderful analysis mansi 👍🏼
1) I'm happy that Jallu is punishing mahamanga as shehenshah and loved HB n Salima advice to him...
2) regarding ruks it's definitely out of fear she blurt out the truth not bcz of guilty or not bcz of love... It's better for her wen she herself accepts than the third person lik Maham exposes her.. Bcz wen she knew that Jallu cut his relations with Maham ruks must hv Thoght lik this as this shud not happen for her...
3) actually I expected HB to console Jallu bcz it's related to Maham and as mother only she can console n understand how it wud b if Mother lik person plots against his son... Bit I liked her advice to Salima to go n console him and no wonder Jallu finds sukoon with her words... Also liked HB advice in precap to think lik shehenshah n give decision..
4) I loved shaguni bai first line that he won't leave u 😳 u hv to b with him ur kismat is with him n I think Jo is now ready to pack off her bags to Agra as she herself is hurt n not finding peace without Jallu ... As per yday precap n promo one thing I noticed is HB Salima ruks r wearing same dresses wer we saw one offscreen pic of Jo ruks Salima HB.., so Jo is there with them I think how is strt today n may reach today or tomorrow 😳
5) seems lik atgah end is nearing as adham was furious now... I wil miss him n Jallu treating him like father wud b devastated but our Jo wud b there in those tough times with Jallu to console him

I feel utterly sad for Atga whenever I see him on the screen. Poor guy, what did he do? See how these bad eggs are finishing off these good guys. Life is not fair, is it?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: MaddyO

Mansi got time today so you might get lot of posts from me!

The irony of Jalal Jodha relations -

Jalal married Jodha out of hate and he told her he will protect her from the world but who will protect her from him?
The irony is Jalal did not protect Jodha - not from MA, not from Rukayya, not from SD-BB and not from Ben!
Jodha vowed hatred for Jalal but Jodha is the one who protected Jalal from death at Ben's hands, from having to end his marriage with Rukayya, from the hatred of his awam which Jodha turned into love!

Jodha is the one person Jalal threw out of his life - the irony today he can see how wrong he was.
Jodha is the one most loyal to him. While those he trusted or rather had blind faith in have betrayed him, backstabbed him in the worst way harmed him scarred him emotionally.
Jodha with revenge in mind is the one who is most loyal most deserving of Jalal's trust.

MA and Rukayya betrayed him for their benefit while Jodha did not tell him something but only to protect his own life.
Jodha drank poison to save his life when he had uttered the words to her that he will not turn to look at her face even if she was dying!

Jodha and Jalal have turned their hatred into love inspite of everybody plotting against them.

This is going to be Jalal's watershed moment

Jalal already loves Jodha but now he will see that she is the one he should have full trust on, she is the one who will never backstab him, Jodha is the one who will not be disloyal to him. Best thing is Jodha thinks of him as her husband first and Shehenshah later, she loves the man. MA pretended to love him for being Shehenshah.

I hope Jalal sees the truth now and from now on it is Jalal who should protect Jodha. Once Jodha is back and he gets the reassurance of her love and her being always by his side - I hope Jalal now cherishes Jodha and protects her from the wolves in Agra.

The irony is they both started with hate, doubts about other and extreme mistrust and look at Jodha Jalal now - they love each other and know the trust has to be built upon now.

Oops Maddy, I can't keep up with your flow of ideas today. You are in supreme form and my mind is buzzing as I read your writings but the words are not coming fast enough!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Mansi i liked episode,


so yesterday jalal spoke, & he right said To Maham she has lost his SON.
when he says, Real mother is who, who feel happy, when his son sucessed, not who which wants, How power of son be used?
(so jalal vision is cleared, Maham what did, only for POWER.

This awaking was necessary, when you are slept for many years, suddenely you wake -up
& you know, your well -wishers, cheated you, then which SPARK happens, that becomes next piller,
in your life, which gives you, strength, &vision for your next journey. so this Wound will play imp role, in jalal's life, & awareness which will come, play active ROLE, in becoming jalal to AKBAR.

sometimes, Jalal's C I D, quick services😆 😆 😆News recentely spread in HAREM😉

HB, listens, but reaction very light.

when she knows, Maham suspections in SURRUNG case, why she suddenely not alert?

why she choosed SALIMA ?

is she not confident own, she can console jalal own,

why it means MOTHER SON realtions clearly shows GAP, GAP was already, but this time
jalal needed MOTHER more, why HB with draw ?

is she was feeling guilt, she will not able to face jalal,because jalal eyes will questioning her

(as a MOTHER or AS a MUM she failed. )

As a mother she not able to brought up jalal reason maybee any or tough?

As a MUM, she failed, in a place saghish , is going, to happen A king, but MUM failed
because HB more knows Maham better then jalal.
it means HB also sleeping, she was happy, MAHAM is caring jalal, jalal attached to MAHAM
she was busy in place or political works, so she freed, (today if we compare working women leaves their kids to Maid, & own free to office works), what will be situation?
that is happening?

RUK situation

when she listens, her own fear speaks Truth, she also knows, last day DILVAR KHAN was RAGVANCI.

CHOT PAR CHOT, ( what is happening, jalal speechless)

Ruk too much aware, she knows in DEK maham will speak 100 % against RUK,
so Ruk wants to save own so she speak truth.

so can we accept RUK she will console jalal , NO

so a wife who is thinking about own, this staze,& her acceptions are big, how can they fulfiiled., her energy is focused, only that, how can jalal feel realif.

so this extreem sorrow staze jalal is suffering pain, &standing alone. but this was necessary, jalal now feeling pain.?

PAIN who feels only HEART.,

He also pained jodha;s HEART, so now jalal will realise what is the meaning of HEART Pain.
you not touch easily anothers delicates points.

Salima advice good.

(but one thing, she adviced as jodha, means she knows this time only jodha style or her name will work.)

AK shows Maham realtiy check, now you have fallen in EYES of JALAL, or when a person
fallen in eyes, then maybee she or he appointed in higher post then no meaning.
(AK words true meaning😆 😆, AK or true words, surprise happened😆 😆)

jodha in Kalli mandir. (DESTINY again )

jodha remembers, jalal;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;in MANDIR in God house.
means God wants this realtion should not damage or will not damage.

shaguni Bai words to jodha, somethings God decides, we want or not, but because destiny wants, so that will sure happen.

(ACC to jodha she is doing right, her character pointed, she as a RAGNANCI or female disturbed, so her decesion going not to AGRA right)

But why she is feeling up-set, because her Sick sense indicating , some wrong happenig.

so this sick sense also connected to DESTINY. it means some extra power sources, wants t some imp work will happen to some special person, so that will happen , because GOD wants this, so how you can not decide jodha, but it will sure happen.

so means jodha entry will sure happen in AGRA, because, GOD choosed AKDHA both,
&cause of choosing they today ALIVE, for their, LOVE.

so i think today jalal will snatched, MAHAM RIGHTS, because HB advised, AS a king you should not guilt.
THEN maham will re-open, TARRUP KAA EKKA , surrung mystry
IS shivani in the surrung?tabb MAHAM kaa kaya😆 😆


Have a fun;;;;;;;;;;;;;MAHAM kaa open ho gaya SARA, SANSAR

Abb kee bar MODI sarkar.😆 😆 😆 😆







Ayushi, what do you think ... will this Jalal turn against Ruq also out of anger. I hope he does. I want Jodha to come back to Agra which is free of Maham and also Ruq's negativity. Yesterday Jalal looked angry enough with Ruq but I hope he doesn't forgive Ruq so easily as he usually does!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi I too hope that Jalal does not forgive Rukaiya and we have a free Agra, but something tells me that she will be forgiven as she did not know the Rajvanshi was Sujamal or maybe Jodha will come and ask him to forgive her. I worried that Jodha may come back and seek forgiveness for both. We all know Jodha's forgiving heart for all except Jajal
I also hope today Hamida gives more solace to Jalal and stops behaving like a passive mother

I just read an unconfirmed spoiler on the forum that the person in the surang is Shivani. I doubt that as what answers can Shivani give Maham???
Edited by Nandiniraizaada - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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OK Radhika LOL not replying to you - see 😉
I know you are busy so go do your work.

Mansi - I am not sorry to flood your thread with posts - your post and the replies on it make me want to write all this - so not my fault 😉 😆

🤗 to both of you and also all on your thread I start up wanting to write a few lines and look how much I have written!


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Nice take Mansi 👏👏 .. Yesterday was a bit of a surprise episode for me because I never expected Ruqaiyya to confess her truth on her won about knowing the reality of that khwaja shera ... that was quite a bold confession from Ruqaiyya even after knowing its aftereffects and how she can loose Jalal's friendship forever , yet she decides to confess .. so hats off to her loyalty in this case 👏👏 .. if she wanted she could hv hidden this fact and none would hv find out about it but liked the fact that she confessed it all 👍🏼

This confession from Ruqaiyya proves that she can never turn outright evil or negative .. She might feel jealous and insecure of Jodha's presense in Jalal's life forever but she is not one of those who will go around with secret plottings to destroy people 🤔...

Coming to Maham , she is quite a twisted soul to b honest .. She is obsessed with her greed for power and position but at the same time she has a certain grudge that her years of love and loyalty today fell flat in front of few months of Jodha's love and I guess thats what is affecting her more than anything else ... I did see a broken mother in the episode when Jalal tells today I disown u from a mother's relationship and she starts getting those childhood flashes when she saved his life and cries her heart out which means she does hv those genuine emotions of a mother for Jalal but it just got overshadowed with her greed and insecurities 🤔


Even now she refuses to accept her mistakes and instead keeps blaming Atga khan or Jodha for her condition .. I guess she assumes that because I gave this life to Jalal and also fed my milk to him , so Jalal should remain indebted to me forever and also ignore all my sins just to pay back to me in return of all those years that I hv given to Jalal and this Mughal empire ... When she says lets see what verdict Jalal gives , whether he punishes me for my one mistake over years of loyalty , I felt like telling her , one mistake ?? really ?? 😳 .. Did she forget the number of miscarriages that she did in that Harem to make sure Jalal can never get a heir ?? 😡.. Did she forget how she planned Bairam khan's murder ?? .. I m not even counting her various plottings against Jodha here and even then her list of sins r no less 😡 ... So Maham can scream and cry foul all her life but the fact remains her greed for power totally overshadowed her motherly love towards Jalal and for this only she is to b blamed


Loved the advice that Salima gave to Jalal about how he should keep a check on his emotions and make decisions like a Shehenshah because people hv lots of expectations from their king .. She is one balanced woman here 👍🏼...

And hopefully Jodha will returns back now after getting a earful from Shaguna bai too 😆 .. I wonder why CVs r hell bent on showing that its only Jodha's ego which is stopping her for going back to Amer .. I felt its more of her self-respect and emotions here and not really ego because her character and identity were questioned which is big for any woman and not just a Rajput .. 🤔


Anyways Excited for tonight's episode to see what verdict Jalal gives to Maham ...😃

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Originally posted by: MaddyO

OK Radhika LOL not replying to you - see 😉
I know you are busy so go do your work.

Mansi - I am not sorry to flood your thread with posts - your post and the replies on it make me want to write all this - so not my fault 😉 😆

🤗 to both of you and also all on your thread I start up wanting to write a few lines and look how much I have written!


No problem, I am hugely enjoying myself reading all your posts (and my office work today is so boring that without your posts I would have felt like hanging upside down). So keep the mental tap open and flood the whole thread! You have my permission and full encouragement!

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