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Originally posted by: Skepblun
@Cruiser
Brilliant! 👏
I agree with a lot of points. Salim's work done alone in later stages was definitely inferior to the work done in past and not in sync with times. Even now he gives improvisations in old-fashioned masala films like Dabangg mainly.
I was more curious about what led to their split. Could it be because Javed wanted more creative freedom? Or because Javed and Salim started having too many differences since he's old school kind whereas Javed tries to change as per new/emerging trends?
Lot of theories float about their split.
Though I do not like Javed as a personality (love his work but dislike his public persona), I do see him acknowledge Salim whenever he describes his experiences working on their iconic films. In a special on Mother India in Classic Legends program, he described how he and Salim saab were inspired by Birju in shaping angry young man persona of their films.
Originally posted by: -Cruiser-
If one were to dispassionately analyse / guess what could have happened in Salim-Javed saga, and not get swept by the maze of who seems shrewd, who appears modest etc...
...its pretty obvious, Javed was the major contributor as long as their partnership lasted. It is so obvious from whatever they both have come up with ever since they parted ways!
While Javed has come up with so many brilliant scripts apart from number of most memorable songs. It would be pretty naive to conclude Javed continued scaling new heights because he was shrewd while Salim merely sulked over separation and retreated into his shell!
Logic would suggest, both were very close friends and had a partnership where Salim did contribute many ideas, but Javed, must have been the one who was the actual master when it came to actual writing and fine tuning the screen play.
Salim might have suggested the Angry young man character of Amitabh in Zanzeer and perhaps thats why, he suggested Amitabh should give him his due. Salim actually might have written the scene where Amitabh Bacchhan tosses Madan Puri out of the high rise window in DEEWAAR...as I just watched NAAM, a movie Saleem wrote independently and has Sanjay Dutt tossing out villain exactly in same manner, (perhaps Saleem's way of emphasising, it was HE, who came up with this idea / script portion in Deewar).
Success of Gulzar and Javed is because they have been able to keep up with times and keep re-inventing themselves. I can give examples of how they have changed with varied kind of work, but thats not required I suppose.
Fact is most creative persons, unless gifted with an ability to keep adapting and re-inventing themselves, meet a creative dead end and thats the end of them! So many authors you can see, who have written a brilliant debut novel and thereafter, either come up with some terrible work, or have not been able to contribute anything at all! Brilliant Directors fail to recreate the magic in so many instances!
If Salim Saab could keep pace with times and keep adapting to the drastically changed movie tastes today, there is no reason he could not have written some scripts for his sons, who are doing booming business with in their own production banner...or written a few Salman films with his influence!
Logical conclusion would be as it is Salim Saab must have been the minor contributor in Salim-Javed partner ship and after their split, he did come up with a few scripts like Akeyla, Naam, Mast Kalandar, Majhdhaar (for Salman), ...but it was pretty obvious,he had met a creative dead end...and since mid nineties, has been enjoying a retired life...proudly watching his sons, especially Salman scale heights of unprecedented Box office success, especially in last few years!
Originally posted by: -Cruiser-
@BOLD: Issues are bound to crop up in any partnership / relationship where contribution is unequal, while partners get equal credit / flak for their efforts! Deep friendship and mutual respect would have ensured both working on so many projects together...and then the difficult issues would have cropped up (getting equal credit and remuneration for unequal amounts of contributions and output, ego etc.)😕
Salim Ji isn't associated with Dabangg Script! Its written by Dileep Shukla and Kashyap.😊
But Javed hasn't really had much success in script writing since the split has he? His success is with lyrics. I could be way off lol, but I don't think he's done any successful scripts since the end of the partnership, or at least nothing as successful as the work they did together.
If we go by that - I'd deduce they both contributed equally and the magic came from the ideas they bounced off each-other; without the other neither one has been successful in script-writing.
Extremely embarrassing if I'm wrong about this 😳
When the Salim-Javed partnership dissolved at the height of its success, one expected the two arrogant writers to lash out at each other. They didn't. Their silence was mysterious. There were no accusations, no explanations. But the rumour mills buzzed. Some attributed the split to Shabana's entry into Javed's life. Others attributed it to Javed's desire to establish himself as the No 1 writer... but alone! Though Salim did speak out to the press, Javed kept a stiff upper lip and let more controversies build around him. However, what was more mysterious than the "silence" was the fact that Javed went about signing films with top banner-makers whom he had worked for earlier in collaboration with Salim - and all on his own terms, leading the industrywallahs to believe that he had secretly worked out his plans before the famous split. That had upset Javed. He wondered why he could not pursue his own ambitions without being termed manipulative and conniving. He allowed me to interview him then on a series of controversies surrounding him, only because I was a friend and I would represent him honestly. Like he himself said: "At least, the interview will be fair." And, while I kept my side of the bargain, he didn't, as he proved in his answer to my last question. Read on and take a walk in the past with Javed Akhtar. Is it true that Shabana is the cause of your split with Salim? Why are you maintaining silence over it? It is ridiculous to suggest that Shabana is responsible for our split. It was my decision and I take full responsibility for it. We parted ways professionally, and I wouldn't like to discuss the reasons for it.Even today my relationship with Salim saab is so strong that it is unimaginable that Shabana or anyone else can be responsible for coming between the two of us. Whatever the world might say, I still feel a deep sense of respect, love and gratitude towards Salim saab. I wouldn't be where I'm today without him. Though our professional relationship has ended, our feelings for each other have remained the same. It may sound sentimental, but I know one thing for sure that tomorrow if I'm in trouble,Salim saab is the only one, YES, the only one who will go out of his way to help me out. After your split with Salim, people within the industry are waiting for your first release to asses your work. Does this make you feel you're beginning your career all over again-like a newcomer? No, I don't feel like a newcomer. If I do I'll have to feel like a very expensive newcomer. I have been paid more than I deserve for these films. At the same time, I know that people are waiting to see my forthcoming films like Betaab, Mashaal and Duniya with a certain amount of curiousity. That makes my situation not only thrilling but a bit scary as well.People say that in the Salim-Javed team, Salim was the PRO and Javed, the writer. How true is this statement? This is not only an insult to Salim saab but also to our long association. Anyone who makes such statements is either mean or foolish. When there is a partnership, there is an equal sharing of money, credit and acclaim. Salim saab and I shared these equally, because we contributed to our films equally. I remember when we were together, people would often ask, "Who writes what?" and we would reply, "One of us writes the nouns and the other the verbs."Do you feel that you have now started depending heavily on the casting of your film and that the actors have become bigger than your scripts? Rishi Kapoor-Dimple Kapadia-Kamal Haasan inSaagar and Dilip Kumar-Anil Kapoor in Mashaal? Casting is very important. But actors cannot guarantee a film's success. A particular cast can raise the expectations of an audience but what ultimately matters is the film itself. The story ofSaagar was written long before the actors were signed on. While I'm happy that the casting has caused a sensation, what makes me happier is the fact that each one of them suits the role perfectly. Even if I say so myself, Saagar will be a beautiful film and I have great expectations from it.Being a close friend of Rajesh Khanna, why did you opt to write Dimple's come-back film? Rajesh Khanna and I have never been close friends. We share a cordial relationship. Whatever has happened between Rajesh and Dimple is personal... who am I to takes sides? I don't think by writing Dimple's come-back film I'm offending Rajesh Khanna. Neither am I letting him down in any way. For that matter, I don't owe any explanations to Rajesh, because, tomorrow if I write a script for Rajesh, I won't explain myself to Dimple.I believe you are in the process of creating a casting coup by signing the never before team of Shabana Azmi and Amitabh Bachchan? Shabana Azmi in my opinion is the finest actress in the country today. Amitabh Bachchan is no less. Casting them together will be a challenge for any script writer. Yes, I do plan to bring them together, as soon I'm ready with my script. I think they will be a tremendous combination in a dramatic film.Do you think Amitabh will work with you after Shakti? Do you feel you let him down in the film? No, we didn't let him down in Shakti. If people felt that there wasn't enough of Amitabh in the film then the loss was the film's, not Amitabh's. Today, his position is such that these things can hardly make any difference to him. Only time will tell whether he works with me in the future or not.Rumour has it that Dilip Kumar has been tampering with your script of Mashaal? No, that's not true. He has never tampered with my script. I consider him to be a great actor and I'm sure he has faith in me as a writer, otherwise he would be doing my job. Mashaal is turning out to be a very good film. Yash Chopra is at his best. But the surprise packet of the film will be this young actor Anil Kapoor.How is it that your wife Honey has taken to working as an assistant to Ramesh Talwar? Why should Honey's working surprise anybody? True, she doesn't have to work for money but I see no reason why she should let her creativity rust. In fact, I find it hard to believe that she is not working. Honey has always wanted to direct films and she is learning the technique of how to go about it. Ramesh Talwar is not only a competent director but a dear friend of ours. Mark my words. Honey will be a very great director one day. She has just shown me the first script that she has written. It's about a father-daughter relationship, and it's brilliant. I'm not saying that because she is my wife but she has done a great job of it. She has aptly given it a beautiful title:Lamhe.You have said in an interview that Gulzar knows nothing about poetry, that his writing is abstract and that he writes songs which don't fit into the meter... I've never said that Gulzar knows nothing about poetry. But I do say that he writes abstract poetry... that he ignores the traditional meter. But there is a difference between abstract poetry and absurd poetry. Maybe, I'm too conservative about the norms and traditions of poetry to accept anything that violates them. A poet is at liberty to experiment with ideas, but he should not tamper with the rules which differentiate poetry from prose. However, I have great respect for Gulzar saab's aesthetic sense in choosing the right words for his poems.People say that the poems appearing under your name are not yours, but from the collection left behind by your father Jan Nisar Akhtar. If my poetry is being mistaken for my father's, then it's the finest compliment that I have received.And finally, are you and Shabana Azmi going to get married? Please give me an honest answer to this very controversial question. I'm married to Honey. Shabana and me are very good friends only. |
But Javed hasn't really had much success in script writing since the split has he? His success is with lyrics. I could be way off lol, but I don't think he's done any successful scripts since the end of the partnership, or at least nothing as successful as the work they did together.
If we go by that - I'd deduce they both contributed equally and the magic came from the ideas they bounced off each-other; without the other neither one has been successful in script-writing.
Extremely embarrassing if I'm wrong about this 😳
Here Arbaz is looking like Kevin Zegers of It's a Boy Girl Thing.
https://lesfillesdemi.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kevin-zegers-iphotos182306kevinzegers.jpg
https://www.indiaforums.com/article/javed-akhtar-discusses-why-indian-film-industry-stays-silent-on-politics-fear-and-insecurity-within_221974
Tanisha Mukherji outfit disaster similar to Uorfo Javed What do you think? https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIaihS-Nn9y/?igsh=MThxa3E0ZHppNDd0eA==...
https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/movies/story/rani-mukerji-raja-ki-aayegi-baraat-producer-salim-akhtar-dies-2706111-2025-04-08
https://x.com/SAMTHEBESTEST_/status/1893174043630805027
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