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Posted: 12 years ago
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At the outset, let me say this. I dislike discussing mythology with respect to this show. (or any show that is not actually depicting mythology!). But since the woman of the moment seems to be Vaidehi, let's talk about her a little.

Vaidehi, or Sita, or Maithili or Janaki. Princess of Mithila. Beloved daughter of King Janak. Wife of Ram. Queen of Ayodhya. Mother of Lav and Kush. Daughter of the Earth. She's a complex character. Sita is beautiful, virtuous, steadfast in her devotion and loves her husband unconditionally. He subjects her to an Agnipariksha to prove her chastity. Not to him. He believes her implicitly. The Agnipariksha is for the naysayers. And when he takes her back to Ayodhya as his his queen, he is forced to abandon her while she is pregnant for the same reason. She has her children in an Ashram in the forest. Raises them to be fine warriors with good hearts. Returns her children to her husband. And then she returns to her Mother. The Earth. As opposed to being Queen of Ayodhya again. Seems like a straightforward damsel in distress type of story. NOT.

It's complicated.

Sita, was an incarnation of Devi. Shakti herself. She could have, at any point of time chosen to rescue herself from Ravan (she chose not to, wanting her husband to fight for her honor), wreaked vengeance on her husband and his kingdom for the unjust treatment meted out to her, and finally, she could have become Queen of Ayodhya again. Every time, she chose not to. Because she preferred to live life on her terms. When her husband abandoned her, she could've created her own kingdom anywhere. She could've gone back to Mithila. She chose to raise her children in the forest, amongst Rishis. And when her husband begged her to come back to him, she chose to tell him NO. And she went back to where she came from. To the Earth.

Common theme here. She made her choices. She was no defenseless woman. She could've decimated the world with her anger. But she chose instead to be a loving mother. In the entire story of The Ramayan, Ram is considered to be a Maryada Purshottam. One who is always correct. Who always does right. It is fairly obvious, that he made some flawed decisions with respect to his wife, and was therefore quite imperfect. Sita, on the other hand, was perfect. Perfectly innocent. Perfectly strong and capable of protecting herself. Perfectly capable of raising her children alone. And perfectly content to tell Ram off when he wanted her back.

I have no clue whether Khushi is going to be pregnant. I don't draw any parallels between her situation and Sita's. I say only this. Vaidehi was strong and made her choices. Let's not reduce her to an abla nari who went through hell because of her pati and zaalim duniya. That is a very narrow prism to view her through. Sita was much much more. She was a woman of substance who controlled her destiny. I believe the same of Khushi. That is the only parallel I'd like to draw between the 2 for now.

I know I don't usually do this kind of thing...but it's Friday and I just...well...I just. Bas. I'd like to hear your thoughts.

PS: An absolutely beautiful depiction. Must watch for anyone with a keen interest in mythology.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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She was a woman of substance who controlled her destiny. I believe the same of Khushi.




I keep going back to these lines in your post.
A few months back, I would have agreed. Khushi stood up to ASR, held on to her to her convictions and beliefs through everything, and made her own decisions. She took up a job, she tried to help her family. She asked for no favors, needed no help. Yes, that is indeed a woman of substance who carved her own path.
But when I see her today, I don't see that anymore. I see a woman who lets everyone around her dictate her life for her. I see a woman who has let her dreams get trampled for the happiness of others. I see her compromising on her traditions, going against her value system.
If she controlled her own destiny, is this the life she would have chosen for herself? Would she want to live under the same roof as Shyam? Would she have chosen physical intimacy outside the bounds of marriage?
I don't think so. This woman is no longer in control, the reins of her life are in so many other hands.
And yes, you are right. Vaidehi was strong. She made her choices, and chose to live her life the way she believed was right. I don't see Khushi doing that anymore. Just my opinion.
Thanks for the thought-provoking post, Maxine!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Ahh woman... dukhti jugular per haath rakh diya!! you and I have had many conversations about this. Let's see if I can articulate my gyan, here it goes...

There are always two schools of thoughts on anything. History/mythology is always open to interpretation. It irks me to the core when mythology or any historical event is recreated. What even bothers me more is how the events are butchered to fit the needs of the present. Instead of recreating the story, what should be taken from history/mythology is the essence of the characters - their mindset, decisions and actions they took to overcome a situation. I don't know much about Sita or mythology other than what Wikipedia says but my stance on such things has always been the same - take inspiration from the characters and players but not from the circumstances. Instead of butchering Sita's story by recreating the same situation, use her conviction, her determination and decision making as an example because than you are paying tribute to the woman and not the circumstances. If you just recreate the situation, you are undermining her, that she only took certain decisions because the circumstances warranted her to, had she been in a different situation, she would have reacted otherwise. To me, this dilutes the basic core of one's personality. We react differently based on the circumstances BUT our thought process is what makes us take these decisions.
It doesn't matter what school of thought one belongs to, Sita - strong or weak, to each their own. The point is still the same - appreciate and give her credit for making decisions on her own. Do not reduce her to a mere puppet of circumstance.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Sometimes we get serious and these are the times when my own wit feeds on leftovers.

Sita and Khushi...

Two women, one common name Ravan = scramble that you have Arnav.

Ram Sabke man mein hai...

If Devi Maya has helped her to it she will help her through it, Khushi was a fighter for herself and will only be if she needs to..

Let us all watch this video, there are vivid explanations

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d98UmGS3FI&feature=player_detailpage#t=1s[/YOUTUBE]

Ram Hriday Mein Hai Mere, Ram Hi Dhadkan Mein Hain
Ram Meri Aatma Mein, Ram Hi Jeevan Mein Hain...
Ram Har Pal Mein Hai Mere, Ram Hai Har Swaas Mein
Ram Har Aasha Mein Meri, Ram Hi Har Aas Mein

Ram Hi To Karuna Mein Hai, Shanti Mein Ram Hain
Ram Hi Hai Ekta Mein, Pragati Mein Ram Hain
Ram Bas Bhakton Nahin, Shatru Ke Bhi Chintan Mein Hain
Dekh Taj Ke Paap Raavan, Ram Tere Man Mein Hain


Edited by MentalExotica - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I really hope the show does not go the Vaidehi way, even thou she made her choices.
We are just about done with Didi Ki Saut now I don't want this the Vaidehi way, reason being, why as women we have so many hurdles from pre martial sex, pre marital pregnancy we always have to make sacrifice. Why can't we give in to our feelings. Why can't we get everything without giving up something. Why are we still judged for the decisions a man makes, he goes free. Why again and again we need redemption in order to have a happy ending for Khushi, just like Ram did get a redemption but Sita chose to leave.
If Khushi is named as per Dadi a characterless girl who shared a room with Arnav, now this so called consummation, if it happened will be a final nail in the coffin.

I'm glad you made this post!!!!
Edited by praba66 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hi Vidhya - liked your post .. u r right - just hope they dont make khushi an abla nari ... and whats more she gets pregnant ... ( but after todays epi I am v certain she is goign to be preg) I guess thats the whole idea of showing consumation ... just hope it doesnt turn out to be a dream... that will be too ekta for my liking ...


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Posted: 12 years ago
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I dont know whether they can once for a life time show khushi's char as a strong individual who can take her own decision only for her sake..

One thing for sure... if she is left alone at altar .. (no wedding) then CVs should take khushi char to a different dimension where she b able 2 do something with her life..

but then how come it will relate to IPKKND.. ?

I know sita's story.. the best part of her till now is the last bit she willingly went to mother earth.. she refused to go back to Ram..

I can just wish for this strong attitude to next phase of Khushi ..come what may..


btw .. I am still in Arshi land..😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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There is no way your viewpoint of Vaidehi, beautiful as it is, poignant and accurate as it is is still shared by most of the men and most of the much more simple minded CVs and audience members out there.

This is a feministic read of the character/mythological figure, and is not a common viewpoint that is shared by most casual readers of the Ramayana. For most of the audience, Vaidehi, and even Sita, means sacrifice, and is am emblem of the pious, submissive woman who is both ruled by, and ultimately rejected by, her mate. The "mahan" aspect of this symbol for them is the fact that she never allowed what was clearly an injustice to color her own role as wife and mother. They applaud her for returning to the soil and not ruling as a queen because in doing so her sacrifice helps her family (sons), and her husband (Ram) rule and achieve greatness.

I am not saying that Vaidehi is not all that you have said. From the perspective of my reading, her very choices are choices that compel the "perfect" man/god Ram to reveal that when it comes to the feminine, he is as flawed as any of his followers. I like the idea that even the greatest man, the greatest ruler the world has ever seen is still not as pure, nor as noble, as his wife ultimately was. But I have a hard time respecting the story as it has been narrated

The issue for me as always been not a sense of relief that Ram knew of his wife's purity, but disbelief and anger that he allowed a flawed society, and kingly considerations to sway his judgement and reject her. She has to sacrifice what she should never have had to give up. I hate that--because the ultimate reward for her is appreciation for the sacrifice, not a redemption of it.

Khushi was "YOUR" Vaidehi at the start of the show, as Expelliarmus mentioned --she knew her choices were limited, and fought within their constraints, to do what she could for those she loved. She trusted her "Ram "and she trusted her family to make the right choices for her.

But the Khushi she is now is more of the "traditional" reading of Vaidehi--she is the sacrificial lamb. her purity will have to be questioned, and her man will have to make a choice for her, a flawed choice that serves him, and his family and his needs, but completely dismisses her own rights and her needs in the process.

He will leave her, and she will be rejected, and she will turn out to be pregnant, helpless, and alone. She will have to walk on coals of fire for a man who knows, KNOWS, she is innocent and chaste, and she will have to work to win him back, get entry back to the goddamn kingdom when she should have never have had to leave her kingdom all, in the first place.

Its the way most people read the Vaidehi story. Not you and me, not a lot of us. But most people. And, unfortunately, it looks like "most people" actually includes Gul Khan. Just pray she isnt a traditionalist, and wont make Khushi get swallowed by the earth at the end of it all. Sacrifice, indeed.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Couldn't agree more Vidya😃

Sita was a woman of substance and Khushi's character is etched along those lines..If they have done it and Arnav dumps her at the altar...I would love to see the feisty fighter Khushi take control of life and walk out on him never to return..

But my SKD says he wont rather he cant dump her...He needs her more than she needs him..After his mom ...Khushi is the only person he is scared to loose.

I dare the CVs to do the unexpected and have Arnav stand by Khushi as the whole of RM turns against her😉
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Posted: 12 years ago
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nice parallels... will come back to this later on, for now, I don't know if you know this already or have forgotten to mention in your post, but the show was supposed to be originally titled 'Vaidehi' too.. 😳 that actually drew my attention to your post..

but anyhow, nice post.. 👍🏼

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