Krishna's 'arrival' on planet Earth

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Alright, as much as I am enjoying watching Kanha on CB, the dialogue between Kanha and Balram is becoming repetitive and boring. Unlike the xian idea of God being
outside" of the planet "up in the heavens", the Hindu idea is that God "dreams" up this existence (symbolized by Narayana on the Adi sesha- bed of awareness on the milky ocean of conciousness) wherein a tiny bit of dirt in the navel gives rise to the lotus (Padmanabha) and therein resides Brahma, the "creator" of this universe. Hence Hindu theology clarifies that there is no divorce between God and creation, rather the creation is infused by the "essence" of God. Thus for Krishna to keep telling Balram that He has come to Earth to straighten the Radhika (true devotee) story is poor writing. Rather, if looked from the Bhagvath's perspective, it is a "game" leela that he is engaged in currently that does not require him to feed the cows (anyways! in his presence the cows would be drinking his presence in and will not require any feed!)- allusion to the story of Krishna and the cows and gopas he creates when the real ones were stuck in the cavernous insides of a large snake and all of Gokul wonders how their cows were giving them more milk and the gopas were delightful!

I sincerely hope the writers have actually read the Bhagwat. The ultimate joke was when they said that Maheshwari was organizing a Bhagvat puran nd rather than the bhagwat they had the bhagavat Gita being chanted!LOL!


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Posted: 13 years ago
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hahahaha love your points, Blokes, and so true as well.

My first point when I saw that they were bringing in Kanha was that it's fine, as long as they don't degrade Him. I am an ardent devotee of Lord Vishnu in all his roops, and I just don't like anyone playing with God's characterizations and sayings.

My fear is coming true here in CB, and this is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: blokes

Alright, as much as I am enjoying watching Kanha on CB, the dialogue between Kanha and Balram is becoming repetitive and boring. Unlike the xian idea of God being

outside" of the planet "up in the heavens", the Hindu idea is that God "dreams" up this existence (symbolized by Narayana on the Adi sesha- bed of awareness on the milky ocean of conciousness) wherein a tiny bit of dirt in the navel gives rise to the lotus (Padmanabha) and therein resides Brahma, the "creator" of this universe. Hence Hindu theology clarifies that there is no divorce between God and creation, rather the creation is infused by the "essence" of God. Thus for Krishna to keep telling Balram that He has come to Earth to straighten the Radhika (true devotee) story is poor writing. Rather, if looked from the Bhagvath's perspective, it is a "game" leela that he is engaged in currently that does not require him to feed the cows (anyways! in his presence the cows would be drinking his presence in and will not require any feed!)- allusion to the story of Krishna and the cows and gopas he creates when the real ones were stuck in the cavernous insides of a large snake and all of Gokul wonders how their cows were giving them more milk and the gopas were delightful!

I sincerely hope the writers have actually read the Bhagwat. The ultimate joke was when they said that Maheshwari was organizing a Bhagvat puran nd rather than the bhagwat they had the bhagavat Gita being chanted!LOL!



Thank you Blokes for writing this. Bhagvat Puran is supposed to be Kanha's leelas and not chanting of Geeta. So when people organize such puja, it is not chanting of Geeta. In fact, at least coming from North I have never seen chanting of Geeta sholaks in this manner where Brahmins are getting dakshina and there is bhog and such. Geeta chanting is done in a more austere manner. I was thinking that do these writers even know anything about Kanha and Hindu dharam at all.

Then all the conversations between Balram and actual Kanha are joke. The story you are talking about was Brahma's test of Kanha where he took the real cows and gopas.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Blokes thanks for this post. Majority of the dialogues of Kanha-Balram are atrocious and my fear regarding the makers misusing the name of Kanha is increasing day by day. As for Bhagvat Purana and Bhagvat Gita...after what they showed in the RP sabha and also ashthami (navratri/durga pooja), it makes one wonder that whether the makers have any idea regarding Puranas and Gita. I prefer Rubina's version of Kanha than the other one...because she makes it look like a game.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thank blokes for the post.
nice to read.
even i was bored with the talk of Kahna and balram.
it lacked intresting points in the conversation.

In my opinion there was no need for the long talks( which are already shown couple of times)...viewers have some expectations about the "God" and the covnvo's of the "God" shown should have the hidden meanings, like they showed with Radh( Kahna) earlier...it should be shown differentiated from a person's dialogues...

I dont understand what was the need for Kahna explaining so elaborately about he'll be there for his bakth till she gets her justice??? ( so dont we viewers dont understand that much why Kahna is here taking the form of Radh) it is clearly visible then why more and more explanations!!!! ( the scenes becomes weightless). ( i would have prefered a short dialogue with some twisted explanation)
it would have been more intresting if kahna had given only his mischeivious smile and giving the expression that it is not over so soon, ( when Balram says they can leave to their place soon...somthing on those lines)


Hope the Kahna's scenes, dialogues are handled very very carefully.
the dialogues should have weight in it. it can be short but powerful.
it should look like "THE GOD" is speaking!!!!!

my point of view.
i might be wrong...but seeing the episodes this is the feeling i got.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: NiHa24

Thank blokes for the post.
nice to read.
even i was bored with the talk of Kahna and balram.
it lacked intresting points in the conversation.

In my opinion there was no need for the long talks( which are already shown couple of times)...viewers have some expectations about the "God" and the covnvo's of the "God" shown should have the hidden meanings, like they showed with Radh( Kahna) earlier...it should be shown differentiated from a person's dialogues...

I dont understand what was the need for Kahna explaining so elaborately about he'll be there for his bakth till she gets her justice??? ( so dont we viewers dont understand that much why Kahna is here taking the form of Radh) it is clearly visible then why more and more explanations!!!! ( the scenes becomes weightless). ( i would have prefered a short dialogue with some twisted explanation)
it would have been more intresting if kahna had given only his mischeivious smile and giving the expression that it is not over so soon, ( when Balram says they can leave to their place soon...somthing on those lines)
Hope the Kahna's scenes, dialogues are handled very very carefully.
the dialogues should have weight in it. it can be short but powerful.
it should look like "THE GOD" is speaking!!!!!

my point of view.
i might be wrong...but seeing the episodes this is the feeling i got.


You are quite right. The eloboration was not needed in the kanha dialogs. But I think they are trying to streach the present story line beacuse it appeals to the viewers. one of many games of CVs in zee tv. I hope the beautifully written scenes and dialogs we saw last week will remain for the rest of the story. (and hopefully the chanel wont meddle with the show like it always does )

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Well said, Blokes.

The Kanha-Balram parts really bores me a lot. I didnt know why but ever since the real Kanha-Balram convo's started i began getting confused and bored. Was it because of the fact that Rubina's screen presence as Kanha is much more enjoyable -- she brings in the spark, chirpyness alive with her acting. However the real Kanha is unable to do so.

Plus his dialogues are sometimes confusing to me. Eg. Y'day he said as to Rads' sinners have been punished but Rads still has to get her status back. Now how come Rads' sinners got their punishment? He himself said that not just Barkha but the entire PF, including Dev was someway or the other responsible for Rads' condition...so how come, merely Barkha getting a hit on head, serves as a punishment for Rads' sinners? Didn't want to post a topic on this, as i was wondering if it would again be termed negativity. :(
But his dialogues really does make me frown in confusion!

Atleast Rubi has that charm, so atleast i ignore the blunders in dialogues and rather concentrate on her enactment.

I also agree with the blooper regarding Bhagvad path. I thought that to be the rendition or discourse of Vishnu's leela's, rather than only Geeta. Geeta would be a part, but only Geeta? I was confused. But then conceded, thinking perhaps, Geeta was only highlighted because that would be gelling with story -- i mean how Lord comes down when adharm goes overboard and helps his devotees.

Yes, they should be careful when doing the Kanha-Balram talks as they are using the character of a GOD, which people won't like, if played with :(

Also they could have roped in the actor who played Kanha earlier, than investing in a new actor. Is this actor going to hog more limelight, because if he is specifically brought in, he would surely hog more limelight than needed. Rather than Kanha doing things magically, let people realize their mistakes through a series of incidents, circumstances that can be created by Kanha :-) Plus Avi and Rubi are doing wonderful job, especially Rubi as Kanha. She can carry the role effortlessly on her shoulders. So its better to show her more as Kanha, than showing the original one :-)

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I agree there are blunders regarding kanha's presence on earth, feeding to cows and Bhagwat path etc etc...
BUT I am enjoying the track in general and am liking the filmy portrait of this track with Kanha on earth...
I think conversations between Balram and Krishna (agree can be reduced time wise) however give closure and explanations to all the things that have been happening till now and will happen in future...
I know its filmy Ishtyle but i think now finally i can say that CB 2 is different from CB1 and also very unique...We need to understand that this is drama and miracles can be shown 10000 times more commonly than real life;ofcourse within some logical confines...Hopefully they will go on like this with new exciting tracks so that TRP's go skyrocketing...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Dear friends,

Yes indeed. The only thing that interests me and that has me writing is that television is a powerful medium and writers and producers have a big responsibility in ensuring that even if fictitious, they need to have done their homework before showing anything on screen. Further, this lack of detailing is something that I have pointed out time and again but if falls on deaf ears.

I do agree that Rubina has got the "essence of Kanha" and has this lighthearted jovial way of presenting "his" character. The kanha in the show has the cutest dimples and makes for an adorable kanha but needs to tell his script writer to take it easy on his lines!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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well am sorry blokesss but i think Krishna is showing wat u do u pay for it and this is the greatest truth of dharm and karm so i thk Kahna is doing his job and even Balram coz kahna has always played his game by giving a chance but balram believes in taking action like beating and saying everythg directly so even in CB i thk balram and Kahna also doing the same sooo i think its fine and anyway its a show so some change is needed according to the story but truly i never saw the misintepreting of any Lord in CB plz don't misunderstand me its my views and the strtching of the story is due to Divali

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