Originally posted by: euro_pakigal
im no politician
and i aint gonna start arguing and writing looooong replies for sum1 who duznt wanna admit anything or understand
kashmiz is not indiaz dats 4 sure tell me how?? itihass gawa hai ki kashmir is a part of india.im sori but kashmir is not indiaz and gawwa kafi nahi hai
There are plenty of links which have already been provided for you to check out what really happened.......and these are legal documents, not something made up by anyone here. The people in kashmir did not want to go to Pakistan either, and hence Pakistan attacked them in a brutal manner, plundering and looting and kidnapping women. It happened a long time ago, in 1948, but after that I doubt the people of that region would have wanted to go with Pakistan after that. In fact the Pakistan regime happily gave a large chunk of Kashmir to China in 1965 like some kind of trophy. China still has that area under it's control. I am sure the people in Pakistan would have been horrified had they known the extent of the politics played in that region. Unfortunately, the common public is brain washed to believe things that the govt wants them to beleive as they seldom have any other choice.
Originally posted by: euro_pakigal
do u think kashmiriz wil wan go wid a country dat treats dem lyk shoes
all da zulm indians do on dem right dis day? humne konse zulm kiye hain unpar??humne kab joote ke neeche rakha hai?? unhe special status diya hai constitution mein jo orr kissi state ke liye nahi hai. explain plz.. i mean all those indian troopz killing torturing kashmiriz evryday iznt dat zulm now y wud they wanna go wid india if all dis happenz u gave kashmiriz a status tell me when to laugh...........
I am sorry, but where in the world did these things come out from. There have been religious disparities but they aren't resricted to J&K alone. Please take a look at what the people of Balwaristan ( POK) have to say about the occupation of Pakistan of what they consider as their land:
CURRENT NEWS
Date: Nov 18th 2004 Ref" IY/BN-31
His Excellency
Secretary General
United Nations Organization
New York
Sub: SOS for the Detainees of Yasen
I have the honor to write to your honor about the inhuman treatment meted out by the occupying regime of Pakistan with the 2 million indigenous people of Balawaristan (Pakistan Occupied Gilgit Baltistan) even in 21st century.
There is no legitimate Judiciary System, no democracy, no education and no economical opportunity for the people of this land of J & K dispute occupied by Pakistan.
In the last week of Nov 2004, 2 minor students of a private Higher Secondary School Gilgit, were kidnapped by ISI sponsored terrorists group which is called Arjun Group. The victim Muslim Khan s/o Jafar Khan from Yasen, Dist. Ghezer was drowned into Ghezer River, while Shafa Khan escaped from the clutches of the terrorists. The culprits including Inayat-Ur-Rahman a Police constable, from Amphari Gilgit, Niyamat Ullah, Zahid, Asif, Shams from Basin, Shams -Ud-Din from Shikayot and Farooq from Amphari have been identified.
The people of Gilgit and Ghezer district have observed protest against the attitude of the occupying regime, closed down the Markets and demanded for death sentence to the terrorists. In Tehsil Yasen, angry mob of the people attacked Police Station.
Police has arrested Balawaristan National Front (BNF) activists, because of its political rivalry and charged them in false weapon looting cases. Though BNF and BNSO have nothing to do with the looting of weapons, because it is a political party and not a terrorist. Pakistani occupying authority wants to declare the nationalist parties including BNF a terrorist, to defame its credibility among the local people and rest of the world. The order to arrest BNF workers has been delivered to the local Police (Headed by Pakistani imposed IGP) by the Pakistani Military high Command, because of its fear with the growing popularity of BNF among the people. FIRs by the orders of Military regime of Pakistan have been registered against hundreds of people of Tehsil Yasen, mostly BNF activists including Skandar from Hoondoor, Sher wali from Bahrkohlti, Murad Jan from Thawoos, Iqbal Khan from Bahrkohlti, Hafas from Yasin,Basharat Shafi from Hondoor Yasen, Nabi from Hoondoor and Rehbar Ali from Thawoos, Mayon s/o Mahbat Shah of Hoondoor, Musa s/o Durdana Khan of Hoondor, Ahmad Ali Teacher Thawoos, Hasil Khan, Thawoos, Ali Murad, Thawoos, Karim Aman Thawoos, Jondon from Gindayi besides Nadim Ayub the newly elected member of district Council Ghezer and Mr. Zarawar the newly elected member of Union Council, Selgan Yasen, The names of the other are not known yet. In this pretext the occupying regime wants to crush our youth, by torturing them.
All the detainees have been shifted to "Torture Cell Dist. Gilgit , though according to Pakistan Police laws, the accused can only be questioned / interrogated in the area where crime is occurred or FIR is filed. This unusual and unlawful act of Pakistani occupying regime is to torture the nationalists, who demand for freedom from the illegal occupation of Pakistan.
Frontier Constabulary (FC) from Pakistan and heavy contingent of Police from other districts have been dispatched to Tehsil Yasen, to crush the supporters of the winning member of NALC, who had defeated PML Q candidate in the recent elections.
Mr. Jalal-Ud-Din a politician from Yasen. who had been appointed as member (like judge) of the so-called Chief Court on the basis of religious bias and links with ISI and fundamentalist terrorists of Pakistan. Jala-Ud-Din had contested in NALC elections twice. After awarding him membership of the so-called apex court (Chief Court) his younger brother Jahanzeb participated in elections on the ticket of PMLQ, which was given to him like others by ISI political cell. But Jahanzeb was badly defeated by Ghulam Mohammad with the support of BNF. That is why ISI has hatched conspiracy with the help of Mr. Jalal-Ud-Din to punish the people of Yasen, by false charges of terrorism.
It's an irony, that a political and prejudiced person, who had lost in elections and his family also lost almost all elections of NALC from Yasen, has been promoted to as head of Chief Court by the occupying regime with the blessing of ISI, so he could be used to punish the rivals of ISI as well as his own. During recent elections, Mr. Jalal had threatened the people of Yasen openly, that he would punish, if any one who have civil or criminal cases, dare to vote for others than his younger brother. Now, the life and properties of detainees is under threat, due to Mr. Jalal, who has become chairman of the so-called Chief Court. There are no criteria or rule or law for the Judiciary System prevail in this part of the world, which can be considered as real and impartial Judiciary.
IG (Police) Mr. Sakhiullah Jan Tareen (from Hazara Pakistan) has revealed, that he was given order from Pakistani higher Authority to arrest BNF and BNSO activists in the pretext of this public uprising against the kidnap. Instead of giving punishment to the culprits, the Police is teasing general public of Yasen and the detainees are severely tortured in Gilgit Torture Cells.
This is Pakistan, where terrorists are treated by normal laws but general public are treated harshly by terrorist laws and are tortured. Particularly this happens in the occupied part of Balawaristan (Gilgit Baltistan) and PoK.
It's requested to your honor, human rights activists and civilized world, the victims of terrorists, kins and public of Yasen and all over Balawaristan must be provided safety and security, otherwise the lives of the detainees are in serious danger. Your honor must take premeditated action to save the lives of innocent people of Yasen from the Torture Cells of the cruel Pakistani occupying regime and expected revengeful judgment of Mr. Jalal-Ud-Din the head of the Chief Court.
Abdul Hamid Khan
Chairman
Balawaristan National Front (BNF)
I personally do not trust any political party as such, however, when the people of that region themselves are saying such things, there have to be at least some iota of truth in it......
With contrast to this, the follwing is on record of the CNN and BBC news archives :
This is an area of 28000 Sq Miles disputed area of Jammu & Kashmir under Pakistan, which is the only part of the world,
1. where there is no Court to appeal against Human Rights violation
2. There is no free expression
3. Where politicians are facing WORLD RECORD sedition charges, the charges of seditions are the highest than the whole world.
4. There is no impartial Judiciary
5. There is no public representation
6. There is no Human Rights Organization
7. There is no free media
8. There is no free movement
9. The only thing is FREE here in this part of the world, is TERROR but by the help, direction and guidance of ISI.
10. This is the part of the World, where US coalition partner is still running terrorist camps without any hindrance and fear, due to these terrorists and it's master (ISI) the lives of the local indigenous democracy and freedom loving indigenous people are under threat.
I am not sure, but are the common public in Pakistan privy to these facts ? If not, then it is really sad.
Originally posted by: euro_pakigal
pakustan wants kashmir and kahmiriz to b happy and liv in peace but dats impossoble if india has kas kashmir howz that impossible. impossible?kaise?? vo to hum bhi nahi keh rahe ki koi shaanti mein na rahe. agar koi peace agreements kar rahe hain to issi liye ki dono mulkon mein shaanti bani rahe impossible becuz kashmiriz r muslimz and did u even no dat when pakistan didint exixt and they were so called "indian muslimz" they cud not liv wid da hinduz
Today India has the third largest Muslim polpulation in the world after Indoneasia and Pakistan.
The Muslims in India have national holiday for each of their festival and it is celebrated with fervour by everyone. The muslim neighbours in India lovingly give Eidis to their Hindu neighbours and so many of us look forward to Eid because we love their biriyani and sewayiann. They have right to vote, just like any other Indian citizen. The men even have the right to have four wives, which is very much against the Hindu sentiments, nevertheless the sentiment of the muslims have been given due prefernce. They are free to practice their religion, study in madarsas, particiapate in the local and national politics.
The religious bigots can be found in any country, so why single out Hindus? Some countries go to extreme to practice this fanaticism. When my husband visited Saudi Arabia three years back, he wasn't allowed to take along any symbol of his religion, which is Hindu, inside the country of Saudi Arabia. His laptop was screened to check if he carried any symbol of his religion. Practicing your faith in such an environment obviously is out of question. India has never ever imposed any restrictions. So why would the muslims not like to live with the Hindus?
Some elements are there who try to impose Hindism everywhere, but then, every country in the world tries to super impose the religion of it's majority some way or the other, be it the Muslims, or the Christians or the Jews. Then why are Hindus in India singled out for attacks if they want to glorify their religion in their own country? Isn't that's a bit unfiar ? As long as it is peaceful and does not harm the interest of anyone, it should not be a problem for anyone. We need to remember that religious fanaticism , for any religion, be it Islam, or Hinduism, or Christianity or Jewism, is terrible, and it needs to be discouraged at all levels without any second thoughts.
Originally posted by: euro_pakigal
da only way they can find a solution until kashmiriz r included in dis whole matter and they r token note seriously and we shud hav their opinion their wishes aswel i like that idea but they will decide by poll then and obviously chahe vo pak kashmir ho chahe indian kashmir, herapheri to polls mein ho hi jayegi. phir wahi jhamela.wotever they do kashmiriz hav to b included in da final decison along wid india and pakistan datz da best way
da best solution wi b if kashmiriz pakistaniz and indians
all thre r satisfied wid da final decison and solution to da big matter
I agree. The sentiments of the people living in that region should be taken into account and then a solution should be reached. However, with both the countires only trying to serve their selfish purpose in variety of degrees, I doubt it's going to happen any soon.
1931:
A time in history when the worst communal riots occurred led by Sheikh
Abdullah. This was also the year of the Muslim Conference.
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