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461339

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Posted: 15 years ago

#111

lol, funny that you don't dispute the facts and just keep perpetuating Islamist propaganda.

Long live Modi, Jai Gujarat, Jai Hind :)

Jihadi lovers should immediately leave India (hint hint)

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479445

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Posted: 15 years ago

#112

India should CRUSH Modi's followers...

And terrorism must be erased aswell... whether it is Islamist or Hindu.

If anyone ever saw me posting in IF ... they know I am not pro any religious fundamentalism... but someone who is in favor of MODI is surely a fanatical fundamentalist.

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200467

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Posted: 15 years ago

#113

Originally posted by: Ice-Thinker

And terrorism must be erased aswell... whether it is Islamist or Hindu.

With you on this part. Can't stand fanaticism of any kind - be it religious, cultural, ethical or moral.

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461339

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Posted: 15 years ago

#114

Moderators Note: Edited. Direct attack on member.

Edited by return_to_hades - 15 years ago

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chal_phek_mat

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Posted: 15 years ago

#115

Ice-Thinker

Originally posted by: Ice-Thinker
If anyone ever saw me posting in IF ... they know I am not pro any religious fundamentalism...

meet Ice-Thinker talking about ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Hindu's at the hands of Islamic terrorists

Originally posted by: Ice-Thinker

Even though I do not consider this right ... and surely condemn such acts carried out by some hot tempered and group of mismanaged people.... BUT KASHMIR is going through a movement.... an uprising....and while is an Independence movement/revolution or uprising...such things are expected.

and read the last sentence of both of your posts and you will see a contradiction😉

Edited by chal_phek_mat - 15 years ago

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_Angie_

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Posted: 15 years ago

#116

Originally posted by: Ice-Thinker

And terrorism must be erased aswell... whether it is Islamist or Hindu.

And how do you propose to achieve that ? ....by writing a plea letter asking them to please stop it !?

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441597

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Posted: 15 years ago

#117

seeing this thread still open , i would like to add a final few cents:

for starters, i fully agree with Ice-thinker where he states Modi to be a crook and a Hindu fundamentalist. i truly and firecely beleive that ALL kinds of terrorism are detrimental to the health of the nation and of mankind...sure Modi may have been responsible for a LOT of the econmic progresses of Gujarat, but that does nothing to absolve him of the 2002 riots' guilt. that is a permanent blot on the face of secular India. that being said, coming to the main point, Ice-thinker you said that you were against all kinds of religious terror, yet you seem to take a double standard on the question of kashmiri pandits' distress:

"The way the Pandits had to pay the price is certainly not in accordance with any civilised behavior, and I have never put my support to their wrath. All I am saying is that this wrath was brought to them by themselves as they sided with the Indian Forces against the Independent Movement... "

here, you on one hand are calling the behaviour towards the Pandits as "un-civilised" and in the same breath you paint them as the culprits for "siding with the Indian Army"....how do you then claim you are NOT supporting the Islamic Fundamentalists responsible for the Kashmiri Pandits' plight, when you CLEARLY say "they brought this wrath upon themselves"???

some enlightenment on this point please😊

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479445

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Posted: 15 years ago

#118

@Emptiness+chalphekmat:

Just because my opinion and values do not match with yours ... I do not become anti-Indian....infact many people in India do not have their values according to you guys of Modis. Even Karan Johar was accused by some as pro kashmiri liberation due to the dialogue of Tabu in his movie "Fanaa".

The list would be very long about people who despise Modi to the core ... and sympathise with the Kashmiri people and their demand for Freedom. YES, those people are civilised, and due to this they cannot speak out loudly ... in the same way as the bird of song becomes quiet due to the presence of a wild cat prowling about.

@krystal:

I have repeatedly condemned the derailed and violent acts against the Kashmiri Pandits.

Please be sure that when I say "THE REASON FOR THIS MINDLESS ACT AGAINST THEM ARE CLAIMED TO BE..." ... I mean the reason pointed out by the restless people who victimised their own neighbours! IT IS NOT MY REASON ... BUT THEIR REASON (and very reknowned reasons....its not just me who know this).

Hope its clear?

Religious fundamentalism is condemned by me.... but an Independence movement is not exactly Religious Fundamentalism.

Its a movement where the Pro-Independence are fighting at the cost of their lives ... they are agitated and feel that INDIA NO NOT LOVE THEM, BUT USE THEM (and exactly same feelings for Pakistan and China) ... in this situation....this heated situation (tempers and pain is very high) ... a small groups of people (in this case the Kashmiri pandits) start supporting the Indian Army (while the Indian Army is symbolised as the oppressor) ... simply makes themselves a target!

Now the civilised Kashmiris would not be stupid ... but then Kashmir is a vast land with many those who are disgruntled ... and they carried out mindless acts ... forgetting that the RULE OF LAW should be respected....

But then ... think about it ... WHEN THE WHOLE NATION IS AGAINST THE LAWS AND WAYS OF ANOTHER VAST FEDERATION ... and fight to establish their OWN KASHMIRI INDEPENDENT RULE OF LAW ... then how to expect the respect towards such rules?

Now comes the question of Humanity ... and this goes away when people are drenched in restlessness and pain. People become numb ... and they cannot see anything but that WELL FILLED WITH WATER ... and everything looks like a desert to them. AT THIS TIME THE SENSE OF FRIEND AND FOE IS LOST ... ANYONE BETWEEN THE WELL AND THE THIRSTY IS AN ENEMY.

Some of them have colored it with the blemish of RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM.... and many of the RENTED FORCES (as mentioned previously) are surely involved. These rented forces (the cheaper ones) often act as senseless dogs...GOOD AND CHEAP USEFUL WEAPONS.... but when they malfunction and do things which was not supposed to be done ... then they are very very lethal, often self destructive.

Rented forces are in HUGE HUGE demand across the world (even in christian or maoist dominated regions) ... often they come from the Afghan War Veterans groups ... and they would malfunction when they are the cheaper (less reliable) ones.

Kashmiris have many Mainstream liberationist organisations ... the more responsible ones... but then there are those who form their groups for an assault due to some Pain (something like the dacoit vs. the Thakur) ... and then they hire some cheap rentals ... and carry out acts which INFACT HARM THE INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT IN TERMS OF INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION.

The killing of the Pandits were a silly act for the movement... those Pandits have been in the Valley for generations ... they were 3% to 4% people... but I guess they became targets of Mobs and digruntled aimless groups. But then, the Kashmiri Pandits should've seen this coming ... if they ever read any book or knew anything about revolutions or movements.

God bless all.

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chal_phek_mat

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Posted: 15 years ago

#119

Originally posted by: Ice-Thinker
@Emptiness+chalphekmat:

Just because my opinion and values do not match with yours ... I do not become anti-Indian....infact many people in India do not have their values according to you guys of Modis. Even Karan Johar was accused by some as pro kashmiri liberation due to the dialogue of Tabu in his movie "Fanaa".

The list would be very long about people who despise Modi to the core ... and sympathise with the Kashmiri people and their demand for Freedom. YES, those people are civilised, and due to this they cannot speak out loudly ... in the same way as the bird of song becomes quiet due to the presence of a wild cat prowling about.

Ice-Thinker,

Not speaking on behalf of Emptiness,

but I do not think you are anti-Indian, I dont even think you are dishonest or a inhuman. I do not think you are anti-Hindu or anti-Muslim.. You might be a proud Indian at heart and single Vande Maataram everytime you brush your teeth or change clothes

Perhaps you are unaware of Godhra or history of communal riots in India or it might be acceptable thought in your understanding that only Hindus have to die due to their high population in India. I dont know enough about you, so I am not making any opinion on you as a person

I was just questioning the fact that you find it understandable or acceptable the killing of 120000 Hindus at the hands of Kashmiri terrorists/seperatists while you think it is it inhuman/dishonest to be understandable or acceptable a killing of 700 Muslims(out of a total of 1100) when the perpretaor changes religion, actually Modi didnt even perpretrate the action, if you were to believe the version of the people on your side, he just told the cops to standby and just look away(something that most Kashmiri's did when the Kashmiri Pandits were getting slaugthered)

Edited by chal_phek_mat - 15 years ago

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479445

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Posted: 15 years ago

#120

@chal_phek_mat:

First of all ... whether one person killed or 12000 killed ... I do not support either.

Secondly ... the Killers were under modis protection ... and your own statement proves it when you say that he asked the Police to keep a blind eye. Thats the deamon trying to save his wolves...

You cannot equate an ordinary man keeping his mum when people are excited an a revolution/movement is going on with sentiments/temperature rising higher and higher ... with Police or Law enforcement agecies.

Modi is a sub human beast ... its good that recently those German Bundestag members also declared Modi as a heartless beast.

Yes, Germany does not want to make it an official point ... but the Bundestag members on their visit to see through India, its human rights situation etc etc did make their point ... openly. Probably the gruesome reality of Modi was too much even for their most secured Political Diplomacy.

Modi is the worse scar on India's face. We need to get rid of it.

Plus, Gujarat has a history of progress and success. Modi is not responsible for the progress of this state ... its this state and its progressive nature that Modi is using for his sadistic and cold hunger for blood...

There have been many gatherings and protests against Modi in Europe ... and we all support him being declared as an UNWELCOME PERSON into Europe... (basically kicked right out).