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Posted: 16 years ago
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Gugly, over here!
I can go on and on about Asoka!
For me its one of kareena's best movies, and I think it needs to be accepted for whatever it was rather than being criticized for being historically inaccurate. i think in the credits they did put a disclaimer saying this is not historically inaccurate and has been altered for entertainment purposes. Yes they took the tale and adpated it to bollywood's style, but nonetheless, it had some very powerful dialogues.
In the end, when Vidh Asoka comes to visit him one last to tell him that he's a father, Asoka adamentaly, almost desperately screams that he is victorious and that he has won the war. And Vidh Asoka, just as calmly as before replies, yes you have won, the cries of the widows, the screams of thousands of infants. And Srk is left stammering that he's won.
And just in teh end, the change that comes into his yees when he finally spots Kaurwaki. Kareena was brilliant in that shot. Gugly I posted it on the first page. What do you think of it?
And my god the soundtrack! The background music is probably one of my favorites for any movie!
They put a lotta effort into the battle sequences. The pace dil slack off a bit towards the middle, but nonetheless it keeps you engrossed.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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A member from bollywhat forum gives an interesting review on Asoka!
Now I feel liek watching it...ALL OVER AGAIN!
"I have no idea why this movie flopped. I just watched it for the first time (I can't really remember what prompted me to get it, maybe the fact that some rated it as SRK's best performance and I wanted to see what that looked like Smiley) but it was beyond gorgeous! So I'm a sucker for movies that LOOK good, it's probably pretty obvious by now, but I found that this movie had so much more than good looks.

Let me start by saying that yes, it is SRK's best performance that I have seen to date (better that Chak De IMO, it's way more layered! Chak De used to be my benchmark for him). Secondly, I loved Kareena but that comes as no surprise because I am liking this woman more an more these days. The scene at the end when she tells him "You're not Pawan, you're Asoka", the way she says Asoka just killed me softly: so much hatred, so much resentment, so many feelings in the way she says that one word! Whew! Intense! Thirdly I'm not sure what it's called (I have yet to get the soundtrack) but that song with the two of them in the water after Asoka thinks Kaurwaki is dead and he's sleeping and dreaming about her, my God, it's stunning!

But the best part about this movie other than the visuals, is how everything is a metaphor, nothing seems to be random. Starting with the obvious choice of horses for Asoka: snow white while he is a prince and still pure at heart and pitch black when he turns into the ruthless emperor. And going on to the more subtle ones. My favourite is how he cannot find Kaurwaki even when she is standing in front of him in the fighting scene. He can't see her until he has regained his humanity, later on when he is shaken from his senseless world.

I thought that was very well done, and I liked how the moment he becomes the dark Asoka, the dreams about Kaurwaki stop haunting him: as if he cannot be with her even in his dreams because he has lost that part of him that made him human, the part of him that was capable of love. And he never sees her again until he gets reunited with that side of himself. It reminded me a bit of a book by Italo Calvino about a knight that gets physically split into two halves one of them entirely bad the other entirely good. But neither of the halves can have a proper existence because they can't live without each other. It's a similar idea here, I think: she was his good, or his strength to be good. And I think it's lovely how Devi tries to do exactly that and almost succeeds but maybe she fails because she was just too good - there was no evil in her to make her a strong enough match. At least that was my take on it (I only read a few of the pages in this thread, so I wonder if anyone else saw it the same way, but I probably will come back and read the whole thing in the next few days).

I have a feeling this is one of those movies that seems loaded with metaphors the first time you see it and then every time you watch it again you find new ones that you never even thought of... I'm getting excited just at the thought of it... can't wait to watch it again!

And to end this on a trivial note: I never thought I would find SRK hot, but he comes pretty close in this one. As for Kareena, she looks absolutely stunning in the fighting scene at the end when she is wearing that black outfit and she is killing everyone trying to get to Asoka - I could not take my eyes off of her! Who cares that she didn't have a proper armour on - this was way hotter Smiley

And trivial post scriptum number 2: I finally realized why I can't stand SRK crying: it's the sniffling: if only he could cry more quietly, I'd be won over, but the siffling always ruins the moment for me Tongue I know... I'm so superficial "
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Guglyyy, where did you go? lol
I need a fellow asoka supporter here, haha
I editted and added the member's take on the first page as well. Its what prompted me to watch it again.
Edited by desigal90 - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: gugly

Asoka for me is more than a movie. It beautiful story of full circle of life. Its about moksha, ambition, love moving beyond the circle of life and death. I love of the dialog in the movie where someone says that how is Asoka not afraid of death and defeating everyone in his conquest. Then Asoka says that he is not afraid of death as he seaking death! He says that he is trying to find death! And this other scene in the movie where a priest comes and sees Asoka and says that you dont look like a regular person you are someone special. Then Asoka jokingly says that he is king! The priest says that no you are not a king you are somone who will be above king! a traveler. I love the different stages they have shown of Asoka, chand ashoka, lover ashoka, ruler ashoka and at the end he devotes everything to his religion.

I think it is an impossible task to capture the essence of a king like Asoka in a movie. The man was just amazing. I think in the movie they should have focussed more on Asoka's wife (played by hrishita bhatt in the movie). Asoka's wife played an imp role in his life and religion.
But there are many plus points of the movie. Such as its breathtaking locates. They have captured the beauty of madhya pradesh and other places in a very nice way. I love Kareena kapoors wadrobe in the movie and the tatoos also. This is one of kareena's few early movies where she has acted well. The songs of the movie and the background music is totally amazing. The cinematography is just awesome. The visuals of the movie are very appealing. The movie did very well in Toronto film festival where it also won some awards.
I hope srk makes another period drama, i think he would rock! And with Santosh sivan for sure.
(My Namaskar to all Asoka lovers! )

woww.. some people did like it afterall..! yes, i would have to confess i am also one of them.. 😳 LOL..
and i think some of the expressions SRK carried, i can't see anyone else carry.. the man has the most expressive eyes and he can talk a lot through them.. be it slight teasing, joking around, or when he turns into chand ashok, hatred for his brothers or plain indifference to so many people being killed or the mocking to the last scene of realization.. so yes, it is one of SRK's best performances.. even Kareena was good in that movie.. and some of the scenes between them were indeed very powerful..
and i do like the songs... LOL.. it's been a while since i watched it though, but some things have stayed with me.. i would watch it again.. (obviously as i have the dvd, LOL)...
yes, it was not historically correct, but i didn't watch it as a piece of history...but what aspect they were trying to capture, they did well with it..
if it had released later, it would've done well, no doubt..
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: desigal90

Guglyyy, where did you go? lol

I need a fellow asoka supporter here, haha
I editted and added the member's take on the first page as well. Its what prompted me to watch it again.

I read the review that you have posted! It just described about the metaphoric beauty of Asoka that I couldnt write in words. Its just enchanting.
I found some of the review from non indian critics who i guess judege movie without any preconceived notions.
They offer some great reviews without any prejudice.
I think when you look at historic distortion of facts then even "Jodha Akbar" did it. I dont know why people have ignored that and even adjurned it as the best movie of the year. I think when you compare Asoka has a greater soal than jodha Akbar.
Kareena looks 1000 times better princess than Aish! I love Kareena's outfits they show that women in India were pretty bold and open. In the ramayan and mahabharta era women in India were very progressive and open. I mean draupati had 5 husbands so why cant a woman wear progressive clothes. There is nothing wrong with her clothes they are beautiful! Andi i like the fact that she is not afraid of fighting in the yudh and fights graciously.
I also liked the supporting cast of the kid and Dany in the movie. I think they added sence of humor in the movie. And i did not find anything wrong wid Jhony lever even! So why do some people think that people didnt laugh in prehistoric times. Of course they did.
I want to know where that song Raat ka nasha was shot because i want to go on a boat tour of that river which goes through the white mountains. Its just a beautiful view which is Indian.
Koodos Asoka
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Posted: 16 years ago
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That's it! The review I got is from bollywhwat.com, meaning users who are normally non desis that got into bollywood, so they judge a movie without any coneived notions and bias of what should be accurate and whatnot. You're right, JA wasnt the most accurate movie etiher. I remember my dad saying something about that.
As for kareena I have to say, yes, she played the part of the warrior princess beautifully! She had this ferocity in her and its hard to believe that this was the girl's fourth movie! I remember Srk saying on her rimi garewall episode, that they had some expections they wanted her to meet, but she didnt...and right when her face fell, Srk added, she went BEYOND those expectations!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I loved Askoka too, i neva understood why it flopped. It's a beautifully made film from the scenery to the clothes. It had two of my fav actors SRK and kareena who did amazing job. The music was great, some of my fav songs are from this film.
It mite not accurate from a historic point of view but i found it highly entertaining to watch.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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That's the common criticism I find aoubt this movie. Historically inaccurate. But I dont think that should have been a reason for ppl to reject the movie, especially since it was very well made. And they did put a note in teh disclaimer that this si not an accurate description. For one, wasnt king asoka supposed to be short, dark and ugly?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I love Kareena's diff outfits in asoka

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Great pics!
And that tattoos were a great addition. Made her look more intimidating, very fierce!
I still maintain that had asoka released today, it would have done well. Audiences are more open to diffent kinds of movies now. Before, they preferred the typical Yash Raj Hum Tum romance kinda flicks.

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