Who was to blame? Kunti, or others as well? - Page 3

and with the concurrence of the other Rishis, spoke as follows, 'You all know that that possessor of the sovereignty of the Kurus who was called king Pandu, had, after abandoning the pleasures of the world, repaired hence to dwell on the mountain of a hundred peaks. He adopted theBrahmacharya mode of life, but for some inscrutable purpose the gods have in view, this his eldest son, Yudhishthira, was born there, begotten by Dharma himself. Then that illustrious king obtained from Vayu this other son--the foremost of all mighty men--called Bhima. This other son, begotten upon Kunti by Indra, is Dhananjaya whose achievements will humble all bowmen in the world. Look here again at these tigers among men, mighty in the use of the bow, the twin children begotten upon Madri by the twin Aswins. Leading in righteousness the life of aVanaprastha in the woods, illustrious Pandu hath thus revived the almost extinct line of his grandfather. The birth, growth, and Vedic studies of these children of Pandu, will, no doubt, give you great pleasure. Steadily adhering to the path of the virtuous and the wise, and leaving behind him these children, Pandu departed hence seventeen days ago. His wife Madri, beholding him placed in the funeral pyre and about to be consumed, herself ascended the same pyre, and sacrificing her life thus, hath gone with her lord to the region reserved for chaste wives. Accomplish now whatever rites should be performed for their benefit. These are (the unburnt portions of) their bodies. Here also are their children--these oppressors of foes--with their mother. Let these be now received with due honours. After the completion of the first rites in honour of the dead, let the virtuous Pandu, who had all along been the supporter of the dignity of the Kurus, have the first annualSraddha (sapindakarana) performed with a view to installing him formally among thePitris.'

e spent many years in ascetic penances at the source of the river Ganga. The accomplished and lovely Ganga, one day, assuming the form of a beautiful female, and rising from the waters, made up to the monarch. The celestial maiden, endued with ravishing beauty, approached the royal sage engaged in ascetic austerities, and sat on his thigh.- --------------------------------------------------------------Here it is described that she assumed the form of a lady and sat on the thigh of Pratipa.the father of Santanu who promised her he would make her his daughter in law.

bySiddhas andCharanas. And there he saw a lovely maiden of blazing beauty and like unto another Sri herself; of faultless and pearly teeth and decked with celestial ornaments, and attired in garments of fine texture that resembled in splendour the filaments of the lotus. And the monarch, on beholding that damsel, became surprised--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Here also Ganga just takes a human form and appears before Santanu. But it was not given that she was born as a human being. She just spent her time with Santanu ,liberated the Vasus and and went off.It is just like Urvasi who spent with Pururava and went off. But Mahabhish took birth as Santanu.Ganga the river took a human form but not born to anyone.

Thanks Preeti, Vrish n Lakshmi for clearing my doubts.

Amrita, the Pandavas would have needed their deva fathers, since Pandu died pretty early and Dhritarashtra was anything but an uncle. Bheeshma & Vidura therefore had their hands tied, and nobody in the Kuru royal family was capable of supporting them.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Surya too - only thing he did in Karna's interests was to urge him to end his enmity w/ the Pandavas

Not father but brother hanuman met bhima during exile and assured him that pandavas would win and also had his blessings as a banner on Arjun's chariot.

Vibs, in Shanti Parva, Kunti tells Yudhi how both she, and Suryadev in Karna's dream, had urged him to join the Pandavas. It's the first 4 chapters of Shanti Parva

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Vibs, in Shanti Parva, Kunti tells Yudhi how both she, and Suryadev in Karna's dream, had urged him to join the Pandavas. It's the first 4 chapters of Shanti Parva

For me the major chunk of blame will lie with kunti.