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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 9 years ago

#61

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I pretty much disagree w/ the above assertion - that there would have been no polyandry w/ Karna in the mix.

I think it's an open question whether YNS disclosed to Kunti everything that had gone on, given that they had left Bhima and Arjun in a fight w/ Shalya & Karna. The outcome of that fight was not known to them, so had they disclosed that, Kunti may have worried. So they may well have decided to keep all disclosures for after the return of BAD (great acronym for THIS trio 😆

I do think that Kunti uttered those words innocently - and you know where I stand as far as Kunti fandom goes. Nowhere in the texts is there any mention of 'the eldest has to marry first' - that was already disproven when Kunti accepted Hidimbi's marriage w/ Bhima. So Kunti would have had no problem w/ Arjun alone marrying Draupadi. Yudisthir could still have accepted their son as his yuvraj down the road, if that was what was needed to cement an alliance w/ Panchala. Drupada would certainly have preferred it to Draupadi being married to all 5. Or even if a polyandrous marriage was necessary, Draupadi could have married just Yudisthir & Arjun.

Besides, later in the years, when Arjun married Subhadra, it was widely thought that Abhimanyu would be the long term successor to Yudisthir, and not Prativindya. Some accounts have it that Prativindya was governing an area subordinate to Panchala, rather than any area loyal to Yudisthir. I also think that Kunti would have had no problem changing her order to hand Draupadi over to Yudisthir alone, had it been thought that he has to have her hand so that Draupadi could be the empress, as opposed to just one of the queens of the Pandavas.

So I think even if Karna had been w/ the Pandavas and come back and said, 'Mom, see what we've gotten back w/ us', Kunti would still have said, 'Whatever it is, just split it b/w the 6 of you'.

Exit question: Given that Kunti usually gave Bhima half the food and the others 10%, do you think that had she thought it was food, she'd have asked them to give Bhima half the rights to Draupadi, and the remaining 4 or 5 the balance? 😆

Your assertion is logical provided we assume that Kunti was innocent.

And wat I said is more like speculation...not a fact.

And right...nowhere it is said that the eldest has to marry first.

But here's the issue...both in KMG n CE, we see Arjun saying that 'He would incur sin' if he marries before his brother...I know Arjun was an obedient guy n gave importance to his elders but to this extent that he is ready to share his wife in such a crucial moment citing this reason?

What is your take on that? Why do you think he gave this reason to divide Draupadi when clearly Bhima was married to Hidimba already n even had a son before Yudisthir was even married?

I am not sure about Ghatotkach's birth here...so pls correct me if I am wrong.

And when I said that she needed her eldest son to marry Draupadi...it's not bcoz he is the eldest n should marry first...no no that was not wat I meant.

It is bcoz Yudisthir was the heir to the throne n if he has someone like Drupad as his father-in-law then he would have a strong backing n that would give him support to acquire the throne. This is just a speculation...definitely not an established fact.

And if Draupadi had been given 90% to Bhima...it would probably mean she would spend more time with him n less with the others. Given Bhima's track record as her husband with all the saving her, cooking n even bringing flowers for her...maybe that would have been a better option.😉

Coz Bhima was her best husband for sure.

Edit- Forgot to mention that Ved Vyas had already told them that Draupadi would be their wife. That is before they go to her Swamvar. So...Kunti already knew that this would happen.

And if Yudisthir was so unsure of the outcome of the fights between Arjun n Karna..then y did he leave early?I find that slightly weird.

I mean if he is so unsure n if chances are that his brothers would get killed then y did he leave?

Should he not have stayed n fought with them?

Maybe he left so that they are not recognized but losing Arjun n Bhima would have got him nowhere..right? I mean if Arjun n Bhima are killed...then Yudisthir would be nothing without them.

And I dont think Kunti was that kind of a mother...she sent her son as bait to kill that Rakshash...Wat was his name? So it feels weird that Yudisthir wont give such an important news to her fearing that Kunti might be worried.

Again this is all speculation. Not facts.

Edited by amritat - 9 years ago

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 9 years ago

#62

Vrish

On a side note...I have heard many theories saying that if Karna had been the one then he would have never shared his wife...I mean these are speculations of some of his admirers...

Since you are also a Karna admirer...do you think Karna too would have agreed to share his wife with his brothers just like his biggest rival? 😉

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Chiillii

@Chiillii

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Posted: 9 years ago

#63

It is a fact in KMG and CE that Vyas tells the pandavas to go to kampilya for Draupadi Swayamvar and she is supposed to marry all 5 of them.

So Kunti and five pandavas already knew that it will be polyandrous marriage. If you take out the divinity angle, it's a master stroke of a plan. An extremely beautiful and intelligent princess will keep the 5 brothers united against kauravas and will also get them support of Panchala which was the third largest kingdom then after hastinapur and magadha (Krishna's support was a bonus, which they may have expected or not).

I guess (speculation) spending one year with hidimbi, bhima used to be away with her for quite a while. Kunti would have realized once married the brothers may drift apart. It's not like their unity will be break, but more like start their own family and prioritize it types, and unlike kauravas where Duryodhan was eldest and the alpha male. Here yudhi being eldest was not the alpha, it was bhima and Arjuna.

So Arjun's joke, kunti's innocent mistake and brothers and Draupadi all falling in love at first sight is all just a stunt for drupad's benefit and draupadi's.

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Ramya

@Ramya_98

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Posted: 9 years ago

#64

Just saw the new promo. They say "Draupadi ke haathon duryodhana ka MAHA APMAAN!" 🤢 🤢

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 9 years ago

#65

Did they also not add 'Jo banegi Kurukshetri ki asli waja'?

'Draupadi Ki haath Duryodhan Ka maha apmaan jo banegi Kurukshetra ki asli waja'!!

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Ramya

@Ramya_98

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Posted: 9 years ago

#66

Originally posted by: amritat
Did they also not add 'Jo banegi Kurukshetri ki asli waja'?
'Draupadi Ki haath Duryodhan Ka maha apmaan jo banegi Kurukshetra ki asli waja'!!

I don't think so. Maybe, i could have missed that part.🤔

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Prachi

@MBcrazyfan

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Posted: 9 years ago

#67

Is ther any1 still watching dis... Draupadi saved by karna n apologizing for her statement in sw...what..which...is dis still based on vyas mb😡

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 9 years ago

#68

Originally posted by: MBcrazyfan
Is ther any1 still watching dis... Draupadi saved by karna n apologizing for her statement in sw...what..which...is dis still based on vyas mb😡

Welcome to frustration thread!!

This whole story is based on Siddharth Tewary's personal diary which he proudly calls Mahabharat...

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 9 years ago

#69

Originally posted by: ramya06

I don't think so. Maybe, i could have missed that part.🤔

I feel like shouting from the highest point of this world that Andha Ka Putra Andha is NOT there in the epic...n it is just creation of BR Chopra!!

Atleast in Star Plus they spared her from this dialogue but in this show...they just need to make her a vamp!! Pathetic CVs...

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Ramya

@Ramya_98

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Posted: 9 years ago

#70

I don't think there would not have been any polyandry if karna's truth was known. Neither do i have a fixed opinion on kunti being innocent. It could be possible, could be not.
I have also heard the story where vyasa comes to visit the pandavas and kunti and tells them that drau must be the wife of them all. So maybe she already knew this was coming and she uttered it knowingly. However, i disagree with the theory of the eldest marrying first because obviously, hidimbi and bheema were the first ones to marry.But again the point is that at that point of time, did kunti know they had arrived with the bride? According to some version ,before they come, kunti was really worried about the well-being of the pandavas in the swayamwara. Because of them being late she even thought some ill had become them or they had been killed. But she was relieved when they arrived and when they announced they had come with the alms, she said, "enjoy it all of you together". But maybe, her conscience had told her about draupadi being brought in or she had known in some way, who knows?
And what about the boon conferred upon draupadi in her previous birth by lord shiva himself that she would be the wife of 5 men? I am sure that story is known to all. So even if karna was accepted by the pandavas, wouldn't shiva's boon had shown its effect?
One more point is that staying at ekchakra, the pandavas had agreed on a conduct where they would share everything equally among themselves. So arjuna at that point was just keeping his words and going by this code of conduct.
Also,there is another version to the story of karna's role in draupadi swayamvara where she doesn't reject him but karna fails! What if that had happened? I know this is not a part of the original vyasa's version and may be it is the arjuna admirer in me agreeing to this one but that too could have been a possibility.

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