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Nandita

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: amritat

I agree with u in most of the parts...I dont know y people say Karna loved Draupadi!!
And most authors claim Draupadi loved Karna!!
Seriously...these two people rarely met each other...so I wonder when they had the time fall in love... 😆

bold- Can u please give me a citation where Draupadi's family insulted Karna?
From wat I know it was Draupadi who had said 'Na Aham Varayami Sutam' meaning 'I shall not take a Suta as my lord'...Please note, she did not say anything more...All those elaborate dialogues that was shown by previous show were exaggerations...I dont remember Draupadi's family uttering a single word...Please correct me if I am wrong.
By the way, just wanted to say, most versions dont contain this dialogue...which is y BORI's Critical Edition does not include it...In CE, Karna did not even participate...which I feel is highly possible...
Bcoz I dont think after such a horrible insult at Rangbhoomi, Karna would participate at Draupadi's Swamvar for a second round of insult...
And contrary to popular belief, KMG is not the most authentic version...There are many other versions like CE which is equally authentic...but KMG is given importance bcoz it is found free online, while CE is not.

On a side note...let me say...I am an ardent Draupadi lover...so though I believe that the Sutaputra comment is qn interpolation...I admit, that if at all she rejected him, it must have been a very insulting incident for Karna...
Draupadi had the rights to reject, keeping in mind, the stringent rules of Caste System thst existed in that age, but her manner was certainly wrong...

italics- I agree...Karna never said he hated Draupadi...I dont know y people keep saying that...
Probably Karna lovers hate Draupadi more than Karna ever did... 😆
I agree about the repentence part...which is y I cannot completely hate Karna...
But a point to be noted, he did not mention Draupadi while apologizing...He said Pandavas...
But nonetheless, he did repent...so that makes him noble to a great extent...

blue-can u pls tell me exactly where this features in KMG?
I am sorry...but maybe I missed something...
Be it Lakshagriha or Draupadi's Vastraharan or not giving back land to the Pandavas, Karna always supported Duryodhan...
So, can u please say where exactly he had tried to correct Duryodhan?
I have heard this theory quite a few times by many Karna lovers but never found this in KMG...maybe I have missed something...Can u please give me a citation from KMG atleast to prove your point?

And did Ved Vyas say that he was 'the purest soul'? I may have missed it, so could u please give the citation where Ved Vyas says it? 😊

I did not want Draupadi to be brought up in this forum like this...but seeing constant posts on the same topic, I thought of clearing the mess...It would be so much better if people focussed on Suryaputra Karna n not Drupadkumari Draupadi...

Bold ...you are not wrong ...in most of the versions it was said that draupadi only said that she did not want to marry a "suta putra"..i can not say anything about BORI CE...but there are some another different sources where it was said that she called him "suta putra"...

here i am posting a link of an FB page ..the admin of this page had explain it very well from different versions...i think it will help you too.😊

https://m.facebook.com/karnavsarjun.official/photos/a.704699282951617.1073741827.704690986285780/768349256586619/?type=1&source=46&refid=17

and yes in KMG there is no mention of his family (father and brother )...but according to some internet blogs it was not draupadi ..it was dhristadamyu (brother of draupadi ) who insulted karna saying that "his sister will no marry any suta putra she will marry only king of the all king "...which hurt karna...( i have edited that family part )😊

i too did not want to drag draupadi in this forum...for me even she said karna a suta putra ..that also was not a big deal...becoz it was her sawamvar..so she had the right to choose or reject someone...i said it was insult form Karna's POV...so he could not start feeling for her..even after his rejection he did not utter a single word against draupadi or anyone else..."threw the bow out of circle may be an sudden outburst of his frustration...but that does not meant that he loved draupadi.".😆

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Posted: 10 years ago

#12

Some dont like to see K-D scene and some does.. since most of us are familair with SidT and his interpretation of MB... kuch bhi ho saktha hai...

i am an ardent Drauholic.. but tht doesnt make me a aK-Hater.
Seriously as far as my understanding of K goes he considered two women as prime in his life
His Mother - Radha and his wife Vrushali
even Karna wouldnt have thought Drau could be a person of Interest in his life for the generations to come after him!! 🤣

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Nandita

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Posted: 10 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: amritat

I agree with u in most of the parts...I dont know y people say Karna loved Draupadi!!
And most authors claim Draupadi loved Karna!!
Seriously...these two people rarely met each other...so I wonder when they had the time fall in love... 😆

bold- Can u please give me a citation where Draupadi's family insulted Karna?
From wat I know it was Draupadi who had said 'Na Aham Varayami Sutam' meaning 'I shall not take a Suta as my lord'...Please note, she did not say anything more...All those elaborate dialogues that was shown by previous show were exaggerations...I dont remember Draupadi's family uttering a single word...Please correct me if I am wrong.
By the way, just wanted to say, most versions dont contain this dialogue...which is y BORI's Critical Edition does not include it...In CE, Karna did not even participate...which I feel is highly possible...
Bcoz I dont think after such a horrible insult at Rangbhoomi, Karna would participate at Draupadi's Swamvar for a second round of insult...
And contrary to popular belief, KMG is not the most authentic version...There are many other versions like CE which is equally authentic...but KMG is given importance bcoz it is found free online, while CE is not.

On a side note...let me say...I am an ardent Draupadi lover...so though I believe that the Sutaputra comment is qn interpolation...I admit, that if at all she rejected him, it must have been a very insulting incident for Karna...
Draupadi had the rights to reject, keeping in mind, the stringent rules of Caste System thst existed in that age, but her manner was certainly wrong...

italics- I agree...Karna never said he hated Draupadi...I dont know y people keep saying that...
Probably Karna lovers hate Draupadi more than Karna ever did... 😆
I agree about the repentence part...which is y though I am not very fond of Karna, I cant completely deny his greatness..
But a point to be noted, he did not mention Draupadi while apologizing...He said 'I repent for wat I said to the Pandavas'...
But nonetheless, he did repent...n repentence is a big virtue...so that makes him noble to a great extent...

blue-can u pls tell me exactly where this features in KMG?
I am sorry...but maybe I missed something...
Be it Lakshagriha or Draupadi's Vastraharan or not giving back land to the Pandavas, Karna always supported Duryodhan...
So, can u please say where exactly he had tried to correct Duryodhan?
I have heard this theory quite a few times by many Karna lovers but never found this in KMG...maybe I have missed something...Can u please give me a citation from KMG atleast to prove your point?

And did Ved Vyas say that he was 'the purest soul'? I may have missed it, so could u please give the citation where Ved Vyas says it? 😊

I did not want Draupadi to be brought up in this forum like this...but seeing constant posts on the same topic, I thought of clearing the mess...It would be so much better if people focussed on Suryaputra Karna n not Drupadkumari Draupadi...

@bold...yes are very much right ..he was everywhere with duryadhan as his crime partner...but in most of the cases he was very passive...here is 2 example from KMG and Gita press MB..where he said directly oppose duryadhan and his wicked tricks...

1.THE PROOF OF THIS GIVEN IN ADI PARV AFTER INCIDENCE OF SWAYAMVAR WHEN DURYODHANA AGAIN PLANNED CONSPIRANCY AGAINST PANDAVA

1) FROM KMG TRANSLATION -( Adi parv, Viduragmana Parv)

[ Duryodhana said to Karna ]

Time passeth. Before their confidence in king Drupada--that bull amongst kings--is established we may succeed, O monarch, to encounter them. But after their confidence hath been established in Drupada, we are sure to fail. These, O father, are my views for the discomfiture of the Pandavas. Judge whether they be good or bad. What, O Karna, dost thou think?'"

****Here, See After failure of Varnavrat buring incidence, Duryodhana again planned to kill Pandava in deceit unfair way... He asked the opinian of Karna... See the reply of Karna

[ Karna replied to Duryodhana]

Vaisampayana said, 'Thus addressed by Duryodhana, Karna said, 'It doth not seem to me, O Duryodhana, that thy reasoning is well-founded. O perpetuator of the Kuru race, no method will succeed against the Pandavas. O brave prince, thou hast before, by various subtle means, striven to carry out thy wishes. But ever hast thou failed to slay thy foes.

NOTE THIS LINE -Karna said, 'It doth not seem to me, O Duryodhana, that thy reasoning is well-founded

Here, See Karna directly resisted Duryodhana for next deceitful conspirancy --Above narrative clearly states Karna never like unfair way to defeat/Kill Pandava-- He never supported Duryodhna in such conspirancy

[ Karna advised Duryodhana]

But, O bull amongst men, this is what is good and advisable for us now, viz., to attack and smite them till they are exterminated. Let this course recommend itself to thee. As long as our party is strong and that of the king of the Panchalas is weak, so long strike them without any scruple.
Hearing these words of Radheya, Dhritarashtra, endued with great strength, applauded him highly.

****Here, See Karna adviced Duryodhana to killed Pandava in fair war (Kshtriya Dharma) not by any unfair conspirancy like varnavrat buring.

LINK-
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01205.htm

2) FROM GITA PRESS HINDI TRANSLATION

Screen-Shot : (https://goo.gl/G4JWlv)

ABOVE ALL NARRATIVES CLEARLY STATES THAT KARNA NEVER SUPPORTED DURYODHANA IN HIS UNFAIR CONSPIRANCY

He was not in faver of dice game also ...i will send that KMG link too later on.

Edited by Nandita_Siddian - 10 years ago

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amritat

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Posted: 10 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: Nandita_Siddian

Bold ...you are not wrong ...in most of the versions it was said that draupadi only said that she did not want to marry a "suta putra"..i can not say anything about BORI CE...but there are some another different sources where it was said that she called him "suta putra"...

here i am posting a link of an FB page ..the admin of this page had explain it very well from different versions...i think it will help you too.😊

https://m.facebook.com/karnavsarjun.official/photos/a.704699282951617.1073741827.704690986285780/768349256586619/?type=1&source=46&refid=17

and yes in KMG there is no mention of his family (father and brother )...but according to some internet blogs it was not draupadi ..it was dhristadamyu (brother of draupadi ) who insulted karna saying that "his sister will no marry any suta putra she will marry only king of the all king "...which hurt karna...( i have edited that family part )😊

i too did not want to drag draupadi in this forum...for me even she said karna a suta putra ..that also was not a big deal...becoz it was her sawamvar..so she had the right to choose or reject someone...i said it was insult form Karna's POV...so he could not start feeling for her..even after his rejection he did not utter a single word against draupadi or anyone else..."threw the bow out of circle may be an sudden outburst of his frustration...but that does not meant that he loved draupadi.".😆

Well...firstly these fb pages give me jitters...If the Sutaputra comment has been discussed in 'Karna vs Arjun' page, where most people must be Karna lovers...I can imagine the kind of comments have been written below it about Draupadi...So I honestly I dont wanna visit that place...
But if that article is beautifully explained then u can post it here...just the article...I would love to learn more...😊
We have quite a few membere here who are well-versed in Sanskrit, n they interpreted the word as 'Suta' n not 'Sutaputra'.

Personally...before Star Plus' serial started, I used to read a lot of blogs written by random people n believed every word written in it...but after coming to this forum, I realized that most of those blogs are written by people with half-knowledge n many of them are factually incorrect...People write blogs mostly with their favouritism, n hence the biased tone comes in the way...unless the blogs are written by some well-known people like Pradip Bhattacharya and all, I tend to run away from such articles... 😆
So I dont trust these admins much, except the admins of Factually Incorrect page...who appear to be learned n unbiased.

Yes...according to some Southern versions, it was NOT Draupadi but Dhristyadyumna who had stopped Karna...according to some other versions, Lord Krishna had told Draupadi to reject Karna.
According to BORI, Karna did not participate at all...
According to Southern Recension, Karna could not hit the target...

So u see...the same story has so many versions...which is y many believe this whole thing was an interpolation...
Nothing of this sort actually happened...that is my belief... 😊

And I know at u meant...any kind of rejection for any reason is always painful.
So, yes...from Karna's perspective...it was pathetic...
I really dont know y people bring up the 'love' angle but we cant change minds... 😭

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Nandita

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: amritat

i wanted to copy all the text here...but tat article is such a big one that i could not copied that here.....there are a bhill version f mahabharat which said that draupadi had soft corner for karna...that is another disgusting topic for me...🤢..honestly speaking i never found and love relation between this two...from both the side..😊

and different versions had different prospective...so its depend on us that which one we should consider...and i always read KMG...so most of the cases i rely on KMG only...internet blogs are very much misguiding in some cases...

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Nandita

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Posted: 10 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: Krishnaa_Nair
Some dont like to see K-D scene and some does.. since most of us are familair with SidT and his interpretation of MB... kuch bhi ho saktha hai...

i am an ardent Drauholic.. but tht doesnt make me a aK-Hater.
Seriously as far as my understanding of K goes he considered two women as prime in his life
His Mother - Radha and his wife Vrushali
even Karna wouldnt have thought Drau could be a person of Interest in his life for the generations to come after him!! 🤣

i am totally agreed with you...😆

even me an aderant karna lover...but i never felt ke i should hate draupadi...i even could not find out the logic that why ppl always drag draupadi in the case of Karna...and vice versa..😕...both of them faced too much social abuse throughout their life...both of them always stands for their own POV ...both of them sacrifice everything in their life for their loved one...and at the end both of them got just nothing from their loved ones...but still both are loved by the ppl...😊

Edited by Nandita_Siddian - 10 years ago

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Pinkykhushi

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Posted: 10 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: amritat

Hi,

Well it's ok if u want scenes between them...I have seen many many people wanting to see the tragic hero n tragic heroine together...We all have the right to root for any pair...
Personally, as someone who opposes this pairing, I dont have a problem if people only 'want to see this pair together'...problem starts when people forcefully claim this pairing as a part of the epic...n start fighting with others over this...
If one can fantasize the two together, keeping in mind, that it is plain fiction...then it's alright... 😊

See I can understand what u r trying to say,even I know she was a married woman and showing a love story between them would be completely wrong,but it's not wrong if I want to see a nice scene betweeen the two.it's not wrong if two desirable people r attracted to each other.

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amritat

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: Nandita_Siddian

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@bold...yes are very much right ..he was everywhere with duryadhan as his crime partner...but in most of thecaseshe was very passive...here is 2 example from KMG and Gita press MB..where he said directly oppose duryadhan and his wicked tricks...

1.THE PROOF OF THIS GIVEN IN ADI PARV AFTER INCIDENCE OF SWAYAMVAR WHEN DURYODHANA AGAIN PLANNED CONSPIRANCY AGAINST PANDAVA
1) FROM KMG TRANSLATION -( Adi parv, Viduragmana Parv)
[ Duryodhana said to Karna ]
Time passeth. Before their confidence in king Drupada--that bull amongst kings--is established we may succeed, O monarch, to encounter them. But after their confidence hath been established in Drupada, we are sure to fail. These, O father, are my views for the discomfiture of the Pandavas. Judge whether they be good or bad. What, O Karna, dost thou think?'"
****Here, See After failure of Varnavrat buring incidence, Duryodhana again planned to kill Pandava in deceit unfair way... He asked the opinian of Karna... See the reply of Karna
[ Karna replied to Duryodhana]
Vaisampayana said, 'Thus addressed by Duryodhana, Karna said, 'It doth not seem to me, O Duryodhana, that thy reasoning is well-founded. O perpetuator of the Kuru race, no method will succeed against the Pandavas. O brave prince, thou hast before, by various subtle means, striven to carry out thy wishes. But ever hast thou failed to slay thy foes.
NOTE THIS LINE -Karna said, 'It doth not seem to me, O Duryodhana, that thy reasoning is well-founded
Here, See Karna directly resisted Duryodhana for next deceitful conspirancy --Above narrative clearly states Karna never like unfair way to defeat/Kill Pandava-- He never supported Duryodhna in such conspirancy
[ Karna advised Duryodhana]
But, O bull amongst men, this is what is good and advisable for us now, viz., to attack and smite them till they are exterminated. Let this course recommend itself to thee. As long as our party is strong and that of the king of the Panchalas is weak, so long strike them without any scruple.
Hearing these words of Radheya, Dhritarashtra, endued with great strength, applauded him highly.
****Here, See Karna adviced Duryodhana to killed Pandava in fair war (Kshtriya Dharma) not by any unfair conspirancy like varnavrat buring.
LINK-
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01205.htm

2) FROM GITA PRESS HINDI TRANSLATION
Screen-Shot : (https://goo.gl/G4JWlv)

ABOVE ALL NARRATIVES CLEARLY STATES THAT KARNA NEVER SUPPORTED DURYODHANA IN HIS UNFAIR CONSPIRANCY

He was not in faver of dice game also ...i will send that KMG link too later on.

Edited by amritat - 10 years ago

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Nandita

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Thanks for the citation... 😊
I have read this citation before n yes, it is true Karna preferred open war instead of all this...
There is another scene where Karna tells Duryodhan to directly go to the woods, n defeat the Pandavas once n for all instead of these conspiracies...

So I am well-aware of Karna ideals...which is y I did not highlight that statement where u said, Karna wanted openwar instead of conspiracies...Bcoz I know Karna never believed in cheating...Another instance is his refusal of help from Ashwasena(if I am not mistaken) to kill Arjun...
I absolutely respect one thing about Karna...when it came to fighting, he came across as extremely honourable...
So I am not questioning that.

In Dyut Sabha, Karna was very active. Even when the Pandavas had come back after exile, he vocally supported Duryodhan...as for Lakshagriha, it's difficult to say whether he was passive or active, bcoz nothing is clearly mentioned.
If I am not mistaken, Karna had also told Duryodhan to go to the woods to flaunt jewellery n all to make Draupadi feel bad...so even if he did stop Duryodhan before the dice game, once the dragging started, Karna was not quiet...he was supporting it... 😭

So, it is not true that Karna 'never'supported Duryodhan's misdeeds...being an honourable warrior, he preferred open war instead of cowardly conspiracies...n it is for this reason, he is hailed as a hero.
But that does not mean he did not support Duryodhan...bcoz when the real incidents happened, he did support him.

I cant read Hindi that well...but will try to read the Gita Press Edition... 😊
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He was very much active in dice game...but I am saying that initially he was not in support of dice game...he wanted to do fair fight with pandavas rather than dice game...and I did not wanted to mean that he did not support duryadhan in any crime..I want to say he did not support that duryadhan should participate in conspiracy ...becoz I have quoted that portion which happened after varanavrat incident...and here he clearly opposing duryadhan which depicts that he did not full hearted support to duryadhan in conspiracy against pandavas..
I have read many haters comment on many sites who said that karna did not bore his insult in draupadi sawamvar...so he always wanted to take revenge from her..so he provoked duryadhan and sakuni in dice game against pandavas...and as hate is other side of love..he hated draupadi that means he loved her 😆 I wanted to say that dice game was not at all his planning...i never said he was not active there...yes he was very much active there...and that was his biggest crime in his life which leaded him towards his death.

Edited by Nandita_Siddian - 10 years ago

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amritat

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Posted: 10 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: Nandita_Siddian

i am totally agreed with you...😆

even me an aderant karna lover...but i never felt ke i should hate draupadi...i even could not find out the logic that why ppl always drag draupadi in the case of Karna...and vice versa..😕...both of them faced too much social abuse throughout their life...both of them always stands for their own POV ...both of them sacrifice everything in their life for their loved one...and at the end both of them got just nothing from their loved ones...but still both are loved by the ppl...😊

One hug for this... 😃

I really cant understand from where people gather so much hatred...
I am an ardent Draupadi fan...n yes, bcoz of my love for Draupadi I cant love Karna completely...
I am not very fond of him...but my lack of fondness does not lessen his integrity or honesty as a person.
Despite all his flaws, he was an honourable man n yes a great warrior...

Seriously...both K n D have their own depths n greatness...
Nobody in the epic was a 'pure soul' n it's really baffling how people cant see that...even i hate it when everywhere Draupadi is dragged with respect to Karna... 😭

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