Don't Call Me Shurley (11x20) [Discussion Thread] - Page 9

Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~

I know the story won't be as good as it was before. Supporting the show and liking it are two very different things. Supporting is why I still watch. Liking is not something that is in my control at the moment. Besides I don't really care how the story goes anymore. As long as I see J2 together and I get those random MOTW I m good. Sometimes the show truly test my patience and I lose it thats when I complain and its not like the network guys will land up here and see me complaining and decide to cancel the show. They are fanboys themselves of the show. So the show is safe .. My liking , not liking , supporting or not supporting will do nuthn to the show at this point. Their syndication money is what keeps the network floating. J2 are the highest paid actors on the network. They ain't going anywhere. 😳

Exactly. We have loved this show for as long as its been here. Loving the show, supporting it and actually liking the show from story perspective are two different things. We all know we'll support the show for as long as its meant to be even if they dish us out crappy story lines or illogical plots. That's our support and love for the show but being able to actually like what they come up with is certainly not a compulsion we're to abide by. As viewers, we surely can appreciate something we like and criticize what we don't. What the makers do with their product at the end of the day is their call because the show is theirs, not ours.

God can be Bi , trisexual , transgender or asexual. Its all okay and good.Its not like someone has met him/her and asked their preference. I don't mind with any kind of representations. I just find it funny that people will still complain about representation and its the hypocricy that I enjoy ..😆

Unlike Sindhu, I wouldn't find this okay and I still don't find it acceptable. And no, this doesn't stem from homophobia but because this show wasn't ever aimed at any certain section of society. It wasn't aimed at being progressive or regressive about certain ideals, thoughts, faith or beliefs. I just don't see the need of defining God's gender or sexuality. Because even if its happens to be the God of SPN, it is not just any character or any person we're talking about here. Its God, still omniscient, still gender-neutral, still all powerful.

Sure, God chose Chuck to be his meatsuit but does that require him to establish his gender or preferences? According to me, not really. I just found that part unnecessary and only done to please the fandom. If God made the world and he's the creator and the human kind is his creation then, its as good as a parent mating with their own kids. People might be okay with it but personally, I won't.

Chuck could still have been revealed as God without having to do any of this labelling. I always wanted this mystery around God to remain one and never wanted God to make an appearance in a flesh-bone character. Because this probably took away their biggest trump card, it could have better been utilised in series final episode instead of in the end of this season. I doubt what they could come up with in the next season when their biggest and most powerful trump cards (God and Darkness) would have been exhausted.

Dean and Cas can get married on the show. I m completely fine with it. What is not acceptable to me is harassing the cast and crew for the same when they refuses this idea. They don't become homphobe just because they don't want to work over a fan made storyline. The show is not queer baiting when they specifically tell people that they have no hidden or double meaning attached to their scenes. Jensen has every right to say Dean is straight without worrying about a certain section going bat shit crazy and hate him. Fans are allowed to give suggestions and share what they want to see. Writers are allowed to write what they imagine the story to be. Fans are welcome to hate that version of the storyline. What they can't do is dictate the stroyline and trouble those people when they don't agree. Thats exactly what some people keep doing in this fandom.Like I said they are nobody's fan they are just just bunch of whiny and loud children that like to create trouble and bring a bad name to everyone else. Its not the destiel fans.

I beg to differ a bit here as well. I obviously will not be okay if Dean and Cas ever get together on the show. A) Because consider Dean and Sam's history, they're straight. If the writers were to change any of that at this point, it will seem very out of character. B) The writers/crew/the team of SPN at most occasions have tried to make it clear that there cannot be a Destiel or a Wincest ever because that's not what their characters or show is about. Its not as if the show has not had gay or lesbian characters over the seasons (Charlie, the hunters couple among other minor characters), they have done their bit to promote love, harmony and equality.

But certain sections of the fandom just refuse to accept that and would go bat-shit crazy over anyone who thinks along the lines of the writers/crew, J2 included. If you notice, over the couple of years J2, especially Jensen uses his words rather carefully when discussing anything about Dean and Cas's relationship because he's been bashed enough. He shouldn't have to fear when talking about a character he's been playing for over 10 years now but he does.

Sure, the fandom/fans/viewers can chip in, give their views and opinions, let the writers/crew/team know what they happened to like and what they didn't and provide inputs on what they could do to make the show better. But to be forcefully directing the show/storyline in their desired direction is just taking away the writer's creative liberty and their right to write the show as per its needs. Its their product, their story and their show, after all.

The cast and crew go out of their way to make this fandom feel like a family. The amount of shit and hate they receive in return is disgusting. Thats what I have a problem with. Not destiel neither it's fandom . I see Dean straight because thats what I saw in the show. Thats my perception of the character and show. If writers want to change that in near future I m fine with it. Its not like I m married Dean Winchester and my world will fall apart if that happens 😆. But that should be done if the writers feel so not just because a certain section is forcing them to do so. This whole fan service is beyond annoying as it is .

Meeting the fans/fandom's reasonable demand is all good but the whole lot of nonsensical demands that are made is just unacceptable. As they say, you can't please one and all.

Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~

I know the story won't be as good as it was before. Supporting the show and liking it are two very different things. Supporting is why I still watch. Liking is not something that is in my control at the moment. Besides I don't really care how the story goes anymore. As long as I see J2 together and I get those random MOTW I m good. Sometimes the show truly test my patience and I lose it thats when I complain and its not like the network guys will land up here and see me complaining and decide to cancel the show. They are fanboys themselves of the show. So the show is safe .. My liking , not liking , supporting or not supporting will do nuthn to the show at this point. Their syndication money is what keeps the network floating. J2 are the highest paid actors on the network. They ain't going anywhere. 😳

Exactly. We have loved this show for as long as its been here. Loving the show, supporting it and actually liking the show from story perspective are two different things. We all know we'll support the show for as long as its meant to be even if they dish us out crappy story lines or illogical plots. That's our support and love for the show but being able to actually like what they come up with is certainly not a compulsion we're to abide by. As viewers, we surely can appreciate something we like and criticize what we don't. What the makers do with their product at the end of the day is their call because the show is theirs, not ours.

God can be Bi , trisexual , transgender or asexual. Its all okay and good.Its not like someone has met him/her and asked their preference. I don't mind with any kind of representations. I just find it funny that people will still complain about representation and its the hypocricy that I enjoy ..😆

Unlike Sindhu, I wouldn't find this okay and I still don't find it acceptable. And no, this doesn't stem from homophobia but because this show wasn't ever aimed at any certain section of society. It wasn't aimed at being progressive or regressive about certain ideals, thoughts, faith or beliefs. I just don't see the need of defining God's gender or sexuality. Because even if its happens to be the God of SPN, it is not just any character or any person we're talking about here. Its God, still omniscient, still gender-neutral, still all powerful.

Sure, God chose Chuck to be his meatsuit but does that require him to establish his gender or preferences? According to me, not really. I just found that part unnecessary and only done to please the fandom. If God made the world and he's the creator and the human kind is his creation then, its as good as a parent mating with their own kids. People might be okay with it but personally, I won't.

Chuck could still have been revealed as God without having to do any of this labelling. I always wanted this mystery around God to remain one and never wanted God to make an appearance in a flesh-bone character. Because this probably took away their biggest trump card, it could have better been utilised in series final episode instead of in the end of this season. I doubt what they could come up with in the next season when their biggest and most powerful trump cards (God and Darkness) would have been exhausted.

Dean and Cas can get married on the show. I m completely fine with it. What is not acceptable to me is harassing the cast and crew for the same when they refuses this idea. They don't become homphobe just because they don't want to work over a fan made storyline. The show is not queer baiting when they specifically tell people that they have no hidden or double meaning attached to their scenes. Jensen has every right to say Dean is straight without worrying about a certain section going bat shit crazy and hate him. Fans are allowed to give suggestions and share what they want to see. Writers are allowed to write what they imagine the story to be. Fans are welcome to hate that version of the storyline. What they can't do is dictate the stroyline and trouble those people when they don't agree. Thats exactly what some people keep doing in this fandom.Like I said they are nobody's fan they are just just bunch of whiny and loud children that like to create trouble and bring a bad name to everyone else. Its not the destiel fans.

I beg to differ a bit here as well. I obviously will not be okay if Dean and Cas ever get together on the show. A) Because consider Dean and Sam's history, they're straight. If the writers were to change any of that at this point, it will seem very out of character. B) The writers/crew/the team of SPN at most occasions have tried to make it clear that there cannot be a Destiel or a Wincest ever because that's not what their characters or show is about. Its not as if the show has not had gay or lesbian characters over the seasons (Charlie, the hunters couple among other minor characters), they have done their bit to promote love, harmony and equality.

But certain sections of the fandom just refuse to accept that and would go bat-shit crazy over anyone who thinks along the lines of the writers/crew, J2 included. If you notice, over the couple of years J2, especially Jensen uses his words rather carefully when discussing anything about Dean and Cas's relationship because he's been bashed enough. He shouldn't have to fear when talking about a character he's been playing for over 10 years now but he does.

Sure, the fandom/fans/viewers can chip in, give their views and opinions, let the writers/crew/team know what they happened to like and what they didn't and provide inputs on what they could do to make the show better. But to be forcefully directing the show/storyline in their desired direction is just taking away the writer's creative liberty and their right to write the show as per its needs. Its their product, their story and their show, after all.

The cast and crew go out of their way to make this fandom feel like a family. The amount of shit and hate they receive in return is disgusting. Thats what I have a problem with. Not destiel neither it's fandom . I see Dean straight because thats what I saw in the show. Thats my perception of the character and show. If writers want to change that in near future I m fine with it. Its not like I m married Dean Winchester and my world will fall apart if that happens 😆. But that should be done if the writers feel so not just because a certain section is forcing them to do so. This whole fan service is beyond annoying as it is .

Meeting the fans/fandom's reasonable demand is all good but the whole lot of nonsensical demands that are made is just unacceptable. As they say, you can't please one and all.