9X04 : Slumber Party - Review and analysis.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hello people! :)

I wouldn't really call this a review because I ain't here to give my inputs on the episode because I believe we all unanimously agree that Slumber Party indeed was an awesome episode, in every sense of the word. But I'd say a few things have been irking me since a few seasons and seem to have a profound effect on me now that S9 has officially kick started. As much as I love this show for how its been and how far they have come despite the flaws and the downfalls and how they have probably tried all they could to keep the essence of Supernatural intact, I can't help but get tired of the following repetitive cycles and some unexplainable methods or ideas :

1) Yes, the way they have bought back Sam this season was something untested and new but honestly I wish there was more to it. Jared plays Zeke exceptionally well 👍🏼and no doubt the idea itself is interesting, but Sam and Dean taking turns to die and come back every season is, I don't know very predictable?


2) Okay, so when every angel ever to have existed couldn't bring back people from dead, including Archangels and Castiel, I don't get how Ezekiel is able to do that so easily. 🤓 I mean yes, there have been loads of instances where angels could cure people from severe damage and injuries, but bring people back from dead? Does anyone recall an incident as such? I need explanation. Either Zeke is not really an angel, perhaps a Supernatural power of a higher authority or may be even Lucifer himself as a friend of mine planted this horrifying idea in my head, 😳 I don't get how did he bring back Cass (who's a celestial form himself) and Charlie from dead in a blink of the eye. Doesn't that power belong to God only?


3) Can please better treatments be meted out to female Supernatural characters? The writers don't necessarily have to introduce characters as Winchesters love interest. They can be anything from hunters to normal people to anyone being significant to the story or the arc. Having said that, I am glad there exists a character like Charlie and I hope she does back from Oz soon enough. :)


^^ That is all I can think of at the moment. So, friends do share your theories/views, I'd be delighted to read them. And happy Supernatural journey! 😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Maybe it was because I was really sleepy while watching the episode or simply because I know nada about Dorothy and Oz, but I didn't like the episode very much. Bits of it like Charlie's Amazon punch and Sam's no spoilers please were awesome. Otherwise, no, I wasn't fascinated much.

I'll tell you this, Padalecki does Zeke-Sam transitions with effortless brilliance. But Dean here has gotten a bit too used to Zeke's presence in Sam's system and I don't really know, he's gotten too used to his powers. It's like he makes Zeke revive one person an episode. 😳 So, I sincerely want this to stop, I am not interested much in knowing how Zeke does that. I'd be okay if they stop killing people and making Dean make Zeke bring them back. It just doesn't give me a good feeling, you see.

Your questions, I agree with. I so do. Copy those for me. I have one other question, though. Was that all we were going to see of Bobby this season in the first episode? Seriously?


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: epiphany.

Maybe it was because I was really sleepy while watching the episode or simply because I know nada about Dorothy and Oz, but I didn't like the episode very much. Bits of it like Charlie's Amazon punch and Sam's no spoilers please were awesome. Otherwise, no, I wasn't fascinated much.

I don't have knowledge about Dorothy and Oz as well but I still enjoyed the episode pretty much. These kinda episodes give you the needed break and yet the critical elements are shown to have made a progress.

I'll tell you this, Padalecki does Zeke-Sam transitions with effortless brilliance.

Yep, there. I agree. He's too brilliant to have done three characters in one episode and show the transitions so smoothly.


But Dean here has gotten a bit too used to Zeke's presence in Sam's system and I don't really know, he's gotten too used to his powers. It's like he makes Zeke revive one person an episode. 😳

I know right! Like, anything goes bad and Dean does 'Zekeee'. He's getting too dependent on him now which obviously isn't good. 😳

So, I sincerely want this to stop, I am not interested much in knowing how Zeke does that. I'd be okay if they stop killing people and making Dean make Zeke bring them back. It just doesn't give me a good feeling, you see.

Yeah, so true. The unecessary killing needs to stop. I didn't understand the need to kill Charlie in the first place. May because, she could be one of the leads to disclosure of Dean's ultimate secret.

Your questions, I agree with. I so do. Copy those for me. I have one other question, though. Was that all we were going to see of Bobby this season in the first episode? Seriously?

Oh mann, seriously! ONLY that tiny bit of Bobby where Bobby wasn't even himself? MAD.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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I will say I wasn't very happy with the epi either. Most of it went over my head but certain aspects pf the epi really were good. Starting with the way the handled the subject of home for the brothers. I loved how they had different opinions about it.

As for herms_angel your question if angels can bring people from dead. I don't know if anyone has said that in the show but I do remember instances where angels did bring back people from dead. Like Cas brought back Bobby at the end of season 5. Zachariah wanted to send Dean and Sam back to earth from heaven when they died. I thought it was a normal thing. Has it been said on the show that angels can't bring people back from the dead?😕 But that still doesn't explain how Zeke can fix Sam and Cas couldn't.


And I agree I hate the way Dean keeps taking help from Zeke.It only makes me feel it will all come back to bite him. He owes Zeke a hell lot more than one life now. Besides lying between the brothers have never been a good thing to start with.

Also is it me or there are two fillers back to back. Why does that makes me super scared of the coming epis.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I have mixed feelings for the episode..liked it in many parts...didn't have much knowledge of the dorothy n ozz so maybe dats why it went a little above my head😆
I m just not happy wid the fact dat dean is relying too much on zeke which he shud stop😳regarding the whole death sequence baar baar n coming back to life,hmm I m doubting zeke maybe he is not just angel n some more is to him? moreover yes CVS can show wounds,hurt so that zeke can heal but directly death n then life is kinda weird😆
Coz I think even Cass has only healed wounds n the ppl r not dead just wounded,death n life sequence I dont remember🤔
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Husna Bless you!! FINALLY someone went on and made a thread on those SAME nagging loopholes be it in story line or angelore ( i would have If i had time from some real life drama going on 🤔)

forget the predictablity (if at all such a word exist) they are cheapening the very Death!!! Death which is supposed to be final destination of life itself. It's okay if it's here and there , rare kinda conforms with the 'creative aspect' of the make believe world they have created . But just 4 episodes old and Sam came back from near death or medically dead condition , Cas dies like a normal mortal and get's resurrected , and now charlie??? are they serious?? Come ONNN😳

@*Sindhu* you are right in both account but Zachariah was acting On orders of Micheal yet even micheal can't resurrect a dead person . Taking and giving life is God charecterstic... before Cas resurrects Bobby he himself is resurrected 😕 ... I mean what's going on??
Remember Death's spectacular self-Introduction when he meets Dean for the first time , and the little ring game he and Death played ? What happened to the whole " you winchetsers have thrown spanner everytime to the natural order and simply bounce back everytime you die " idea?? If Death is so powerful that an Archangel of the likes of Luci had to go to lengths to bind him in a spell , how can he be cheapened by the antics of a mere angel??

Unless...

Husna for a while I had this wild thought that may be..may be Chuck Shirley was god in disguise after all and hence may be... may be Zeke too can be god himself 🤔
as God's been MIA practically the whole series ... and Samulet not around ( or if present hidden somewhere) hence nothing can really be a God Compass.
How can Lucifer be out and about strolling disguised as zeke?? is it supposed to be THE twist of this season??😕
I too had this notion that Zeke can be a pawn of lucifer or an old lucifer loyalist ...
But now I feel may be he is an extremely desperate angel who really wants to oust Metatron and thinks for some reason an angel/demon cold war will suffice that
Or may be Abbadon ( for luci) and Zeke ( for Micheal ) are Instructed to phase out the next part of the "grand plan" upstairs to ensue the once averted Apocalypse ... a derailed plan back on track?? where the plan has gone awry due to Abbadon's own ambitious plans??
Or may be a loyal of Metatron , who on orders of the Scribe gonna backstab big time the brothers . Its no secret brothers have ruffled some wrong feathers very much
But If it's got something to do with Luci-Mikey tantrum then again it's another pointer towards the "The End" 5x04 (I know I have overkilled that Idea BUT ... can't help that get out of my head)

About the woman on the show?? I was really surprised Meg lasted so long
it's one thing that woman in the winchester's LIFE don't last long, But woman in general on the show it's a different thing altogather 😳

and oh hey about the episode in question...
They were talking about the original wizard of Oz , the non fancied toned down version. The undiluted "dark" version just like bed time stories it seems 😳
where Dorothy also dies apparently and is resurrected 🥱

Dean's going on a slippery slope big time ... It's just a mirror image of the entire S4
See in S4 Sam get's addicted to DB seriously , and ruby to plays along with Sam sometimes complying to his wishes and sometimes aparently 'guiding' him on the head hunt of lilith
but we know she all along was on a different tangent to release Luci and unleash apocalypse on earth. AND Sam kept lying and hiding it all all along. Here Dean's too dangerously addicted to zeke's power and existance itself . He is lying all along , it's only a matter of time before zeke has some ulterior motive too... and seriously i will not be surprised even a bit if that's the case.

may be Dean's addiction to AP (angelic power to imitate DB 😆) will be the key for Zeke ...
I mean See the whole mess started with Brainwashed Sam breaking the final seal , which got derailed by Luci possesed Sam jumping in to the pit right?? what if they are hinting at the same Sam but now possessed by Zeke re-open the hell's pit , start the actual apocalypse ... and be end with the long drawn blood feud between the brothers???? may be they need a man with DB + angelic power to do it all...kinda poetic justice who started it all should end it all ??

@*sindhu* well two fillers in a row means nothing much cos this season the fillers are quite sprinkled here and there like the hugs last season 😆 ( Atleast One hug was a must after Sam got back from Coma) But I guess they are gonna give us heart stopping episodes and give time to return to health and wait till we get slack then give us another such moment 🥱

Husna I like that idea of yours... Charlie being one of the foreplayer in the grand drama of Dean's big truth being revealed ... then things can get complictaed much more easily . Cos Sam likes Charlie as a family member and if truth comes out through her then it will be much more disastrous as the whole 'keeping others above himself' issue will crop up.TBH I am waiting for the moment this truth come's to light . A man who was suicidal in the last season finale just because he thought his brother deemed him unfit to be trusted. A man who literally gave up on living and wanted to die ... in his words " this time forever never to come back " ( which shows even the writers know killing people and bringing back them to life again and again sucks 🤪)
I wanna know how he reacts to it all?? how he absorbs it all?? and may be this might be the trigger of him saying yes to lucifer and turn samifer as in 5x04 ?? cos remember future dean tells to past dean that sam resisted luci for 3 years then accepted defeat and said yes to luci finally!! .. and it's 3 years after the S5 finale , Sam did give up and was ready to die ... so similiar conditions.
and also Samifer had said that "change the story details how much ever ... what's fated to happen will happen " sorta line (sorry to go down that road again 😛😆)


Edited by lakshmi_3004 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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^^ Thank you people, those are some very interesting (and scary) ideas you have put forth.
So L, Sindu and devilish-grin, I have no knowledge about Wizard of Oz either but I still liked the episode very much because of the reasons I mentioned in my main post. Besides, sometimes I rely more on the feels an episode gives me over the content of it, so yeah. 😳

Sindhu, yeah right! I had almost forgotten how Cass resurrected Bobby after having been resurrected himself. I don't recall anywhere being mentioned throughout the series that angels can bring people back from Death.

I didn't understand the need to have killed Cass and Charlie in the first four episodes itself, what's the hurry? More importantly, what's the NEED? 😳 Um, may be to put Zeke in suspicious books of viewers. They can probably undo every possible severe damage but this? I doubt. So, writers should really get to explaining how this have happened at various instances. 🤓

L mann, as much as I do not want to think about Lucifer's comeback for obvious reasons, I wouldn't deny the theories you suggested are pretty interesting and involving and I wouldn't really mind if all that were to happen because we all know how brilliant S5 was. Also, The End's significance cannot be diminished or nullified.

P.S : About Chuck being God, um, I don't know, There are a lot of theories that suggest he may be God himself and theories that suggest otherwise too. I don't really know which ones to believe. Personally, Chuck and God? Nah! 😳 Although his return at this point of time could be really useful.

Edited by herms_angel - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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haven't watched the episode yet... 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: herms_angel

^^ Thank you people, those are some very interesting (and scary) ideas you have put forth.

welcome dear ! Scary yes But we are just roaming around like headless chicken 😆

So L, Sindu and devilish-grin, I have no knowledge about Wizard of Oz either but I still liked the episode very much because of the reasons I mentioned in my main post. Besides, sometimes I rely more on the feels an episode gives me over the content of it, so yeah. 😳

yeah feel wise I would rate it 8/10 but feel is different and the glaring mistakes is different. it's liek they are destroying the very canon they meticulously created 🤔

Sindhu, yeah right! I had almost forgotten how Cass resurrected Bobby after having been resurrected himself. I don't recall anywhere being mentioned throughout the series that angels can bring people back from Death.

well they have neither shown they can nor cannot! But being a normal spectator without any prior knowledge.. it's clear that only 2 species can do that 1 is god and another is a reaper😳 as shown in the past of this very show.

I didn't understand the need to have killed Cass and Charlie in the first four episodes itself, what's the hurry? More importantly, what's the NEED? 😳 Um, may be to put Zeke in suspicious books of viewers. They can probably undo every possible severe damage but this? I doubt. So, writers should really get to explaining how this have happened at various instances. 🤓

They might or they wont!! it's really upto them.. But post kripke arch many such leads have wanting of NEED Husna

L mann, as much as I do not want to think about Lucifer's comeback for obvious reasons, I wouldn't deny the theories you suggested are pretty interesting and involving and I wouldn't really mind if all that were to happen because we all know how brilliant S5 was. Also, The End's significance cannot be diminished or nullified.

Well I have got sorta wired in that way 😆 I dunno why am stuck with that Idea 🤔

P.S : About Chuck being God, um, I don't know, There are a lot of theories that suggest he may be God himself and theories that suggest otherwise too. I don't really know which ones to believe. Personally, Chuck and God? Nah! 😳 Although his return at this point of time could be really useful.
Personally Why YOU think nah???😳

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Posted: 11 years ago
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But Lakshmi how is it possible that only God and reapers can bring people from dead. The demons keep getting back the brothers from dead in the initial seasons. YED brought back Dean's soul , Ofcourse he was not declared dead but his soul was out of his body and Teressa was trying to make him agree to come with her. The cross road demon brought back Sam from dead. Cas pulled out Dean's soul from hell. I clearly remember Michael brought back Sam from dead when they went back in the past to save their parents.
I swear my head starts spinning when I think about these things. 😆 Oh the things that have been done in this show.

I doubt there will be any hug this season. Last season they overdid the whole thing so much that I didn't even miss it much like I always did back then. I just wish the fillers were not cramped one after the other. It will only makes the later epis too heavy.

Herms_angel : The only good reason I find in all these things to make Dean feel obliged to help Ezekiel later. Family is what he holds dearest to him and if someone helps him in any kind he will always repay back no matter what the price might be. Like he did for Benny. Of course Benny thankfully was good. Ezekiel might turn out to be a mistake.

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