Originally posted by: priya.nair
First of all let me begin to really thank all you coolbies for what a wonderful job you do in providing updates for those that don't have access or cannot wait to see it in their time zone. These have been really valuable and please continue to do the same. I know a lot of you are planning on quitting but my request is for you to think before you take such drastic steps. Promotions are not the reason you came here. Thanks for replying Priya Di, yup promotions are not the reason i agree, in a heartbeat... but when efforts go unnoticed it makes a person quit.. You came here for the shows and the actors and the entertainment that the TV brings into our life.
Secondly since coolbies have stared this I would have thought you would abide by the CoC and have taken this issue in the coolbie section and not here. When we tell members not to bring it up that is something that you guys too should have abided by. This topic initially wasnt a warzone, the topic starter had a genuine question/suggestion/request thus it is apt for this forum, however i do agree some comments took the topic to another level, but anyways..except 'who is active in what forum' every point raised here demands an answer :) I do understand your frustration but that still does not mean that you are free to break rules. I am not saying you are not free to voice your opinion but there is a way and method of doing things. The basic 101 lesson for any promotion is to be always be in the right side with respect to the rules. if posting this issue here is against IF- COC then please explain how... pointing fingers at PKDH DT was a unpleasant thing i admit, but apart from that how does this topic violate the rules?? I feel this forum is apt for a topic like this cuz normal members do have this right to know what & how IF works... if the topic maker were not a coolbie then??? and talking about topic distractions, every sensitive topic on IF do get mixed reactions and same happened here too :| If you don't follow how can you get others to?
There has been a lot of plotting scheming and PMing that has been happening. Do you think bashing Shruti or me is the right way to show us how to handle a situation? This does in no way show maturity in dealing with the situation at the hand. Everyone does not succeed at the first go and everyone does not get things on silver platters. If you get upset so easy and decide to go on a bashing spree then how can I be assured you can take care of sections? Let me tell you rarely things go your way over here. Does that mean you are going to start to take out a protest against the members? That is the exactly why I have to be cautious on who to promote. I dont agree, i dont know what exactly made you think that people are bashing you and shru, atleast not here... and plotting :/ again something which is untrue.. PM's were sent to make people aware of existence of this thread, and may be thats the only reason why this is here and not in the coolbie section... but apart from that nothing (the topic poster is a close friend of mine, and atleast we didnt do anything like that)
Now coming to the need for justice part..Promotions are basically done base on couple of criteria's. How active you are on the sections, the kind of discussions you participate on the forum, your behavior on the forum, the needs of the forum and what is best needed for the forum from a broader perspective. When we say active on the sections does not mean you just create NL;s or games but more on discussing your love for the show and the characters . After all this is a discussion forum and discussion is the key to why we are here. We need everyone to participate in discussion by that I don't mean spam or chat generally. For those we have the Chat clubs .I mean we need to discuss pertinent topics related with the show. Thoughts that can help others discuss or look at a different aspect of things. Maybe you did not agree with something so a healthy constructive criticism or maybe a future direction that the story is going to take. This gives me a better understanding of whether you are a suitable candidate for the position. Just posting one liners everyday does not really provide grounds for promotions but rather indulge in more thought-provoking and stimulating discussions. This is the way that I can evaluate how really well apt you are to fill the role for what we are looking at. Also discussions help us understand more you as a person and really what takes to make you the person you are. I have to make sure that you are not over passionate about a particular cast reel or real as that then become a problem. There are times you to defend a viewpoint could have unsettled people with or without your knowledge. Those members will already term you as biased and there you go I have problems in my hands. Hence knowing your relationship and behavior in the forum is very important. Also equally important and I know a lot of you have been doing diligence is letting us know is reporting threads.Making sure that not only to report threads but also to make sure that you do not aggravate the situations and help in calming the issue at hand.
I have way too many people and sections to manage that I do have to be mindful on who fits the role. Some people in the name of the show do go over board and hence we need people who are able to be the check and balance of situations. People who are able to be neutral and helpful and keep their cool as let me tell you that a lot of times the situations can hit you from the left field. I know the assumption is you are prepared or will learn but experience has me telling it not as easy as you may think. Also demand for the section is another thing. With low demand the CM;s will manage the section If traffic demands then we do bring in more help. For sections that don't have CM;s me and the GM;s will look after it and if we cannot look after it despite the traffic being low then we bring in someone.
In general this is how promotions are done however there are always exceptions as there is to every situation. I do promotions on case by case too .There are sections where I will need to get a seasoned mod as some cast and PH are known to create situations. The mods have a good idea of who the key players are and hence its lot easier to get them as situations are well understood by them. So then I do plug and play with the existing dev team. Another instance is there are sections here where the language is not hindi so then they get to have to fill it differently. Most DT are for the hindi shows so they are able to fill in for someone else and can discuss it with others in the viewbie forums and can understand so they can be put anywhere But for other languages the needs are different as not everyone including me can step in there as I don't know what they are talking about without translations. So for them to have help for each other even if traffic is less we bring in people. Also you will see names that you wonder why are brought it but these are existing DT who know what the role is about. A lot of viewbies are not that active in the forum once promoted as they have to make sure they respond to the reports and PM and maintain the section. This limits their discussions and although we want them to discuss they do have to finish their responsibilities. However we see how they have been in their role and if they have done a good job we give them those sections that they express interest in.No where do we say that the others will not get a chance . In fact in such situations if help is needed is where we add more newbies as we have a seasoned person to train the newbie.
I have seen a lot of circulation about that you have to got to know the mods and only then will you be able to get to the DT. The notion that only friends are being promoted and hence the promotions are unfair. Let me tell you I have done promotions from almost the beginning of IF;s hay days and most of the DT if not all of you have been promoted by me.IAsk anyone or even your self do you know me So lets not throw accusations down that friends are getting promoted . This thing was mentioned by me so i should reply, what i said is not globally true.. you & shruti (meli is new but as far as i know her she too is one like you both) have loads to take care of, and this thing was not directed at you.. ofc we know you cant go to each & every forum and stalk all of us and find who is the fittest one for the position, neither do we expect.. repeating this for the nth time, we are not against the newly promoted members... just because this post is coming directly after their promotion doesnt mean we are jealous or something...we are not demanding anyone's demotion here..please dont misunderstand. If you ask anyone on the DT who knows me especially the senior DT I am not someone who does anything based on friendship. I have been bitten initially many a time with people becoming my friends whose main intentions is to just be promoted . And just like that when things did not go their way very nice friendships that I thought had developed have gone down the drain in the name of promotions. Please dont take that friendship thing in a personal way, sorry if that brought unfriendly instances in your mind.. So I can tell you that friendships are not a criteria to get you the promotion so let all the speculations and discussions that you have been having on that be put to rest. If you still feel that is the practice please raise the issue to the GM;s on who is and if it's a GM please let me know so we can look at it. We are all here to have friends but friends should not be the reason to get you promoted. That has to be earned.i understand your point, and the GM & Admin are honestly straight & impartial but there exist exceptions!
Please remember I do have to look at the big picture too and how you will fit. These low traffic sections don't really have problems but as you will not remain a newbie forever. I will need you to go to the volatile sections and this normally poses a problem for members coming for low traffic section. You get problems thrown from all sides and you will get members all over you. This gets a lot of viewbies overwhelmed and difficult to handle causing members to be frustrated with the DT. If that's not enough once you get to viewbie you then will start to ask to become moderator. Unless you have handled situations that are challenging and unpredictable you will not be considered for promotions. like you say low traffic?? is it??? so basically the conclusion is people should not put efforts on a LOW TRAFFIC forum??? but for high traffic forums we already have a gazillions of mods/viewbies interested to be on the section DT ladder, undoubtedly they'd be given preference over others, absolutely no problem with this cuz ya, i admit busy forums need a experienced mod/viewbie... but from where this experience is coming?? i refuse to accept that the current set of DT's are born tough types.. if you are training the viewbies in a way that will help them become a mod someday then you should think about the coolbies too (atleast for those who help around, and do more than just writing updates) who work for a section DTless areas :| there are people (in broad sense, i am not saying this for coolbies specifically, even normal members fall in this category) who do everything that a viewbie does right from being active, keeping the forum clean, following & making others follow CoC, keeping it alive (&I AM NOT COUNTING GOTW/NEWSLETTERS) and what not... do you think a thanks in return of their efforts is fair enough??? or you just want them to write updates and leave?? Secondly, like you said people get busy after promotion sometimes and they work backstage...so how come they get time to express their interest for other forums?? :O there should be a rule made that no viewbie should be given more than 'x' sections (you only decide what that 'x' should be & keep it low so that newcomers can get a chance too)
and talking about members migrating from low traffic section to the top 10 forums for recognition.. i dont think a person can hide his/her reality anywhere, if he/she is a basher no matter how clean and peaceful a forum is they will create a problem & take it from me people who fit in the description above will do be just and fair everywhere...there should be a proper way of filtering members.
Remember as in any organization in the world going up the ladder the positions get really limited so although I would love to promote everyone that's not the reality. However that does not discount any of the hardwork you are doing for the forum. Each and every member here contributes in some way and I hope that everyone will continue their contributions.
