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Vijay Bhatter

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Posted: 13 years ago

#51

Originally posted by: Nafisa_blossoms
Hi Vijay,

7% but a Tellybuzz article on the front page gives Unique Visitors Views, Comments (that's 2 parameters additionally to Buzz points)... as we can directly attribute increase in Unique Visitors Views Parameter, Rating Parameter, if the buzz article is on a TV celebrity then people will visit the fan page, perhaps join her fan club, make a comment, so it affects more then just Buzz points, Activity Parameter perhaps even, so one buzz article affects all the parameters. This is why not having a buzz article is significant.

If India Forums is unwilling to remove Tellybuzz from the parameters even though you agree that they are unfair,

Quoting from your statement above "I would like to add that I understand the point where it can be said that we do not cover all the shows"

Then to make it a level playing field why not incorporate TRP's as you have said you are working on as mentioned in the TV celebrities Weekly Rankings reports?

Quoting from your statement at the bottom of the weekly rankings "From time to time we would be optimizing our weightage system and will add more parameters to make this ranking system more better. We are even working on a way to add Show TRP points also as one of the various parameters in determining the popularity of the actor for the week."

Just because channels promote a show does not mean buzz should only promote these too. IF should not be biased. IF should be unique and supports all the shows equally. By doing so they treat their forum members as equals. At the moment some forum members are being shown favouritism as their shows get more buzz articles. ... As you agree that some shows get more buzz than others.

Finally, IF needs to even this anomaly caused by less Tellybuzz articles for us compared to the shows that are promoted by channels like Star Plus. So give us the TRP Parameter.

Many thanks,

Nafisa

Well first things first we didnt agreed that ChaskaMeter is "unfair" and rather an evolving one which we are trying to improve it.

We no longer carry the TRP systems in the footer of the ChaskaMeter chart posted every week as that idea has been put on hold till we reach a consensus.

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-Nafisa-

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Posted: 13 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: vijay

Well first things first we didnt agreed that ChaskaMeter is "unfair" and rather an evolving one which we are trying to improve it.

We no longer carry the TRP systems in the footer of the ChaskaMeter chart posted every week as that idea has been put on hold till we reach a consensus.

Hi Vijay,

Because of the channels wanting newer shows with low TRP promoted, you do more tellybuzz for those shows (that is clearly what you were saying in your first response), and I have quoted your statement above "I would like to add that I understand the point where it can be said that we do not cover all the shows"

We are talking here Vijay, of tellybuzz some shows having more tellybuzz then others, Tellybuzz gives Buzz points, Unique Visitors Views Points and Rating Points directly, as a result logically speaking the ChakaMeter ranking is definitely affected unfairly by the uneven distribution of tellybuzz.

My second quote you have said you are working on TRP as mentioned in the TV Celebrities Weekly Rankings reports.

Quoting from your statement at the bottom of the TV celebrities weekly rankings "From time to time we would be optimizing our weightage system and will add more parameters to make this ranking system more better. We are even working on a way to add Show TRP points also as one of the various parameters in determining the popularity of the actor for the week."

Just to conclude tellybuzz is unevenly distributed amongst all the serials and shows, these affect Chaskameter ranking and Celebrities ranking and we've requested TRP Parameter to even out the lack of tellybuzz.

Edited by Nafisa_blossoms - 13 years ago

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Vartika

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Posted: 13 years ago

#53

Agree the uneven no. of TB articles do contribute to the Chaska Meter and Celebrity rankings..

If a celebrity gets 2 articles in a week and if a celebrity do not get 1 article even in 2 months, thts unfair. Thn rankings do get dis balanced.

Edited by taanufanvartika - 13 years ago

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Nadia

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Posted: 13 years ago

#54

Hey dear

We try our best to cover all stories as possible.

It can also be seen that we sometime have stories for shows and actors who are not that popular and end up getting only 3-5 comments and very low view, still we believe if its a story it should be posted even if we dont get that much comments and views.

About being biased, if the show as mentioned dont promote their show enough its hard for us to do a story. We need the production house, actors available so we can get a story.

Shows like Crime Patrol, or SAB tv shows which does get TB articles dont have a high ranking. infact mostly it has affected the ranking by only 1+. Why, because it does not have that much affect if members dont comment in the article etc. Also as mentioned 7% is not that much. it can maybe be a help pf 1-3+ points. Rest depends on the forum activity.

Compare to show like BALH and BIgg Boss, those shows havent had much articles either, still it has managed to go up in ranking becasue of forum activity.

Blaming us for not covering everything is not the best part. We keep trying and mostly some production house rather want to stay silent then tell us anything, therefor we cant write an article on it. And rather be sure in what we write, than write rumors which can hurt the actors or production house.

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Vartika

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Posted: 13 years ago

#55

I can understand and same is with the celebrities, may be there are celebrities who are not popular enough, therefore they r not getting articles but actors/actresses like Anupriya Kapoor etc. You plz just have a look whn did they had a specific article. She hardly receive any. There are many celebrities who get article whether they r doing a show or not. And about APK, i don't think she isn't popular. We fans keep requesting but there is no use.

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-Nafisa-

@-Nafisa-

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Posted: 13 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: sandyuk

Then why have IF not been doing this sooner? Why are there still an uneven distribution of buzz articles - not just for SNS but other shows too? As individuals we cannot pressurise channels.

The problem for me is that IF uses buzz as part of their calculation, so they need to be fair to everyone who is a member of their forum. Buzz also generates more views, comments, etc for a given show or actor. As it is such an important factor in the calculation, IF needs to ensure that it is a credible and fair factor. In the same way that TRP's are now being dismissed as being inappropriate to use because the result come from a small number of boxes based in India only, then surely something needs to be done here too.

I have a parallel viewpoint, if TRP is dismissed because not all the population is covered by it, similarly Tellybuzz needs to be dismissed for the very same reason, no one show/serial and celebrity is given Tellybuzz at the same time, so how can it be a ranking parameter.

It's skewing the results each week of efforts in other parameters, because having tellybuzz also gives unique visitor views, rating and comments as well as buzz points, so had that person not had a tellybuzz article they position would be different in the rankings.

About forcing channels to promote our show, how can there, when our show is a banker show it has high TRP's they are using the promotion time for shows that have lower TRP and that is good business sense, I agree with that viewpoint (if I was star plus, why would I waste my screen time promoting a show that is already good viewership, remember they are using their screen time to put adverts for their shows as well as product adverts for external companies, so their screen time available for promoting their own shows is shorter, so they promote the shows that have less TRP and that is a good way of doing business, now India Forums as they are only covering the shows the channel wants in the tellybuzz, that makes the argument not to have them in the ranking system even stronger in my personal opinion...think about it!!!!

So the fight should not be with channels rather it should be with India Forums for that reason. Remove Tellybuzz as a ranking parameter!!!

Edited by Nafisa_blossoms - 13 years ago

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-Nafisa-

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Posted: 13 years ago

#57

One more thing about fighting with channels, if we go to them now and ask them to promote Saath Nibhana Saathiya, we really pressurise them, by constantly bombarding them with messages, they will do it for a short period, just like what happened previously, they will promote SNS for say a month when the TRP is assured again (as DABH is closing in on SNS), where there is a gap again, they will stop promoting SNS, now consider what is going to happen at India Forums, we will have lots of Tellybuzz articles, then when the promotion stops, again the tellybuzz drops for our show and we in the same position we are in now...we pressurise the channels again, they will ignore us, as they is a gap in TRP between SNS at number 1 and DABH at number 2, bad business sense to promote something that is doing well in viewership...we will have to wait until SNS and DABH are close again before we pressurise them once more, meanwhile what happens to the India Forums ranking? That's right it will go down, so guys the only logical solution is to remove Tellybuzz in the ranking system!!!

Edited by Nafisa_blossoms - 13 years ago

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Kristin

@Ichangedit

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Posted: 13 years ago

#58

I agree with nafisa's view point regarding the pressuring of the channel. It is logical that they are not promoting SNS like other serials, which are doing not nearly as well as SNS. To stay the channel with the highest TPR they have to ensure that as many of their shows as possible are watched by as many people as possible. So in the time they have they promote the shows who need it the most. But just because the channel is not promoting it doesn't mean that IF can't get any stories about it, does it? SBB and SBS do get stories and other sides publish articles as well so there have to be oportunities for IF too, which they do not use.

I also agree and love Shaun's comment. For me it isn't that important if SNS ends up on no.1 position (okay at least once I want to see it😆) but that where ever it ends up is fair and reflects the hard work we did for keeping the rankings high. Many people asked what we would think if SNS was in the position in which a change of the ranking system would drop our ranks about the whole change of the ranking system. Well let me be honest I might not be behind it as much, properly because I wouldn't have heard about it but I wouldn't be against it. A fair ranking system is good for everyone. And because the no.1 serial has so many online fans they wouldn't end up at no.7 or 8 position anyway so no need to fret about it.

Lastly I just want to say that I still believe that TBs should be excluded as ranking parameter because they make the system unfair and unbalance. I also would like to see TPR included as a small ranking parameter (not to big, which would make the system unbalanced again and takes to much importants away from the online fan base) What we will achieve in the end is still open.

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-Nafisa-

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Posted: 13 years ago

#59

I just want to reiterate what was said in the above post our suggestion of changing the ranking system in this way does not automatically mean the No.1 serial on India Forums will drop to 7th or 8th place in the rankings, as not all the parameters are being replaced by TRP, TRP will have a small weighting in the rankings and just be one of the other parameters, your online fan base will help you stay high in the rankings as the other parameters, except for Buzz, are not changing.

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-Nafisa-

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Posted: 13 years ago

#60

A removal of Buzz points only is not what we petitioned and campaigned for and what we set out to get in the first place.

If only Buzz points are removed, that means we are in the same position before going through all that we have done. To clarify, our suggestion was for Tellybuzz articles to be removed from the ranking system, remember in my first response to Vijay, when he mentioned 7% weighting of Buzz, what I told him (read here https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/suggestions-comments/2528668/ranking-system-queries-post-here-only-see-pg9).

I will reiterate, Tellybuzz affect not only Buzz points, Unique Visitors Views (View points), Rating Points, Comments when they are tagged people go to the forum increasing the Unique Views again, then if it's a celebrity TB, they go to the fan pages, Comments, join Fan clubs (both parameters again in ranking), all these parameters are linked to Tellybuzz and we want all the effects of the Tellybuzz article affecting the rest of the parameters removed, that is what our petition and campaign was about, not only Buzz points.

If we accept only Buzz points removed and not the rest of the effects of Tellybuzz and start campaigning now for more articles from the channels why did we do that fight in the above paragraph, no reason, it was a useless effort, so we need all of that above to happen.

What we suggested should all happen, it's harder as as a software developer (all the code will have to rewritten for the ranking system) but we can wait for this change, as it will give us the fairer system we want, because we know channels are promoting more the other shows (newer shows with low TRP) as a result they will still have more tellybuzz articles, and if not all the effects are removed, they will still be at an advantage to other shows, so in my mind that is not a fair deal or a fair ranking system.

It doesn't have to be an immediate change, when I campaigned and made queries I asked the date of the change, not now it can be in 6 months, we will wait for the ranking system code to be rewritten. We will come of strike now, but we must have confirmation and assurance that all we want we will be given to us, before sign off of this deal, we must have that confirmation that when the code is rewritten the whole effect of Tellybuzz articles is removed.

Edited by Nafisa_blossoms - 13 years ago